NationStates Jolt Archive


Ammend Basic Democratic Freedoms

23-09-2003, 23:51
This bill if passed well just read it and give the people of the world what they want and also make pop ups illegal :D
23-09-2003, 23:59
I bet $200 that no ones gonna reply to this :lol:
Goobergunchia
24-09-2003, 00:04
Text, please?
24-09-2003, 00:10
huh :?: :?: :?:
Goobergunchia
24-09-2003, 00:16
huh :?: :?: :?:

It's UN forum standard practice to post your proposal at the beginning of a thread on it. That way people don't have to try to find it.
24-09-2003, 00:17
oh ok let me just find it then ill post it

hold on this is gonna take a while to copy ehehehehehehe :(
Goobergunchia
24-09-2003, 00:33
I found it for you.

Basic Democratic Freedoms

A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.

Category: The Furtherment of Democracy Strength: Significant Proposed by: Vuhifell

Description: This Bill if passed will entitle basic Democratic Freedoms for all who inhabit this Earth.

Article I: That all citizens of the Earth shall be entitled to Shelter, Education, Clothing, Healthcare, Jobs, Food, and Copyright Protections.

Article II: That all peoples shall be entitled to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Protest, and above all Freedom of Vote.

Article III: That Labor Unions have the right to protest and if nessisary shut down their factory in order to get basic freedoms. Thus is as well the demand is higher wages the government can make this vote for higher or lower wages for factory workers on a strike.

Article IV: That in times of Emergency all Citizens shall be entitled to do whatever they want to make themselves comfortable as long as they follow the law.

Article V: That The government cannot have the right to impose unnessicary taxes on its citizens unless it is one that benifits the country.

Article VI: That all peoples shall have the right to be happy, free, and shall have the right to live however they choose as long as it accords with the law.

Article VII: That citizens shall not have the right to bare arms without licences owned by local officials so that they may not be used as weapons.

Article VIII: That peoples of the Earth shall be entitled regardless of , race, or religion, that they cannot be forced to join military forces as of a Draft and that if the government breaks this article, they shall be forced to return all drafted citizens back to their normal lives.

Article IX: That the lower your income the lower your taxes, if a nation has particularly poor people than that nation has the right to raise taxes however they wish but in the case of most nations with poor, middle, and rich citiznes in the mix, that the government CANNOT raise taxes however they wish.

Article X:( and last one :-)) That the peoples of Earth shall be entites sue the People who distribute Pop-ups and for the person who invented them if they are still alive in all nations it shall be legal to brutally murdur the person who invented them.

Thank You

Approvals: 4 (Decepti0n, Arkanarsk, Westrogoticae, Goobergunchia)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 117 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Fri Sep 26 2003

The Republic of Goobergunchia has approved this proposal. [Withdraw Approval]
24-09-2003, 05:19
This could be a decent proposal provided it has a huge overhaul. Critique time.

Description: This Bill if passed will entitle basic Democratic Freedoms for all who inhabit this Earth.

But is the system we all associate with Democracy really the best form of government? Of COURSE it would pass while claiming Democracy is the best policy, but it's something to think about.

Article III: That Labor Unions have the right to protest and if nessisary shut down their factory in order to get basic freedoms. Thus is as well the demand is higher wages the government can make this vote for higher or lower wages for factory workers on a strike.

First change 'That Labor Unions have the right to protest' to 'That Labor Unions have the right to PEACEFUL protest'. From there on this is a fairly badly written article. You say 'shut down their factory in order to get basic freedoms. Thus is as well the demand is higher wages'. Are you saying that protesting for higher wages falls under basic freedoms, or are you saying that workers will be entitiled to protest for higher wages with the same freedom as protesting for basic rights? If you're saying my first example, then you're saying workers who make.. bottle caps...protesting for their wages to be raised to $100 an hour is a basic freedom. What a waste of time. You should add a part that says 'bosses hold the right to fire protesting workers for not showing up for work'. Freedom is a two way street.

Article VI: That all peoples shall have the right to be happy, free, and shall have the right to live however they choose as long as it accords with the law.

No, people should NOT have the right to be free, to have a job, to be smart through education, or (not my opinion personally, but people would bring it up so I'm using it for the sake of argument) healthcare.They can have the right to PURSUE these things, but they can't have the absolute entitlment to them. If I stub my toe, I become unhappy. A cool million bucks would make me feel a whole lot better. Should I be able to sue the government if they don't make me happy by giving me a whole bunch of money? I think not. The US Constitution specifically states you have the right to 'life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness'. If the founding fathers say it then it must be true according to pattern.

Article VII: That citizens shall not have the right to bare arms without licences owned by local officials so that they may not be used as weapons.

Am I the only one that has no idea what this means? Reword this so it makes sense.

Article VIII: That peoples of the Earth shall be entitled regardless of , race, or religion, that they cannot be forced to join military forces as of a Draft and that if the government breaks this article, they shall be forced to return all drafted citizens back to their normal lives.

Let me try to rewrite it to state what you seem to mean more clearly.

"That no government shall be able to instate a draft upon the people on Earth, regardless of race, creed, or social status. If the government breaks this article, they will be forced to return those people they attempted to draft back to normal life."

I don't know what you meant when you wrote that, but I have a feeling this is what you WANTED to say. I disagree with you.

Article IX: That the lower your income the lower your taxes, if a nation has particularly poor people than that nation has the right to raise taxes however they wish but in the case of most nations with poor, middle, and rich citiznes in the mix, that the government CANNOT raise taxes however they wish.

Let me try to rewrite this one too.

"That progressive income tax be instated in all nations. The exception to this rule will be if your nation is composed entirely of particularly poor people then that nation has the right to set income tax at whatever level they want.'

I agree with the first part. The second part is bad bad bad. If a nation is composed of all poor people, a nation has the right to tax 75% of your income, while in a nation with many levels of income they can tax higher or lower depending on wage. Doesn't sound too good to me. What about provisions for countries where the population is only middle class or the population is only upper class? Are you assuming that class is relative and we're all poor if we have the same amount of money? That's not too accurate. First thing you should do is add a poverty line using the base currency http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41128 found there. I'm writing this over since the first time I wrote it, I accidently deleted it, and I forgot what my other suggestion was. No matter. Someone else will point it out.

I'm going to make a set wage for every citizen in my country. They'll like this wage untill they realize that makes then all technically poor, since they have no one to compaire to. Then I'm going to tax them for everything they've got.

Just for me, you should add another part about the income bracket being raised to meet inflation. People just above the $200,000 mark get screwed and people far above it get off easy. That's not a good situation.

Article X and last one ) That the peoples of Earth shall be entites sue the People who distribute Pop-ups and for the person who invented them if they are still alive in all nations it shall be legal to brutally murdur the person who invented them.

That's not even funny. When writing a UN proposal, be serious or it'll never pass. If you actually believe that then you're a sick person.