NationStates Jolt Archive

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Dear Regional Delegates,

If you are sick and tired of govs that tax their
own citizens above 50%, please endorse the
porposal we entered called "Maximum Tax Rate"
on the last page of the List of Proposals.

Please show the world that "social justice"
is not just another lame phrase that's good
only for politically advancing one's own
reputation ...

Thanks,

The Rebels

What a splendid idea! I have the perfect way to end all taxation too, simply submit a resolution abolishing capitalism and eventually it will no longer be necessary.

That's true, but there is a sensible line in
everything that doesn't need to be crossed,
right? We don't have to abolish humankind
just to get rid of crime, right?

Capitalism has its good side too, enabling
people to undertake whatever monetary
adventure they want to, freely. It's the
country's responsibility to see to it that
that freedom does not harm the rest of
the populace in any way ...

The Rebels

I've apporved your resolution.

And Wolomy, logical people know that when you fight fire with fire, you burn twice as much stuff.

Thanks for your support Global Market.

And a future thanks to anyone else who supports
the proposal.

Little by little, piece by piece, if we really try,
we can make the world a much better place
to be born into ...

The Rebels

The tax-policy in our Country is based on taxations which are higher than 49% for the wealthy. This is a reason, why rejistania will vote against such a proposal.

All taxation should be capped at 35%.

Dear Rejistania,

I think the 50% cap is really enough.
Rich people are people too ya know!
They should be able to enjoy at least
some of the riches they have. If they
make lots of money, they should have
to give half to the gov. I think that's
fair. Those who make less, should be
taxed a lot less.

Aslo if you tax the rich too much, how would
they ever be able to help others (charity)
with their money?

The Rebels

Charity also follows private interests. The people, who do charity do it to some extend to improve their image. This implies that not image-improving things are not cared about. Income tax is a thing, which also changes the heights of the income, so that a lowering of income taxes would merely lead to nothing more than lower wages. The rich people may enjoy their riches, our country perfectly respects the property. The question is, how the different social situation develop. A progressive income tax prevents to some extend, the drifting between poor and rich.

What we really need is an actual budget model for NS. For example, let's say that one week of real time represents one budget cycle in NS. You would set your tax rates for the various economic categories (income tax brackets, tariffs, etc.), and taxes would be collected at that rate for the next cycle. You would also need to set funding levels for departments (military, justice, etc), and incur national debt if you find that you need extra funds.

That may be so, but I still think that any body of
people who flatly choose to opt for a high system
of taxation, need to be limited to a particular global
value. Lots of crime and social degeneration are
obviously related to excessively heavy economic
burdens ...

The Rebels

The taxation rate is determined by the choices that we make about national issues. No one says "I think I want to raise the tax rate to 74%" and then does so. Passing this resolution would change the mechanics of the game, which is currently not allowed.

As for the actual proposal, my nation's current tax rate is 37%. I have no idea how to raise or lower it, so how can I cap it?

Nothing beats representation without taxation.

What about just beating the citizens?

This proposal would attempt to change game mechanics and so is illegal. You can create a proposal that will reduce tax rates in all countries, but you cannot specify a particular cap, since there is no way for the NationStates program to enforce such a cap.

As a side note, we in Gurthark have an average taxation of less than 50%, but we tax high marginal income very highly indeed (for exchange purposes, note that 10 Bersnaps (10Bs) is approximately equal to $1.00 U.S.:

We have no tax on the first 250,000Bs a citizen makes, a 10% tax on the second, a 20% tax on the third, and so on; any money made in excess of 2,250,000Bs/year goes entirely into income tax. Citizens get partial exemptions for dependents--for a household with N members filing as a single unit, replace 250,000Bs in the above equation with 250,000Bs * (N+1)/2.

We think our tax scheme allows for a sensible mix of capitalist incentives and social equality. Note that a few citizens who head major corporations in Gurthark pay an income tax that is far in excess of 50%; however, their take-home pay after all taxes is still 1,250,000Bs (assuming that they are single and have no children), so we feel they have little to complain about.

Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark

no chance. our chancellor of the exchequer models our economy on Denis Healey, who at one time introduced a marginal tax rate of 97.5%. and not nearly high enough, in our opinion!

There is no valid reason to take from someone without his consent what he has earned.

There is no valid reason to take from someone without his consent what he has earned.

Even if the tax rate is 100%?

Um, people, sorry but the bill was killed. It didn't get
enough votes within the time limit ...

The Rebels