NationStates Jolt Archive

The UN is the world's governing body. It proposes and votes on resolutions, which are then binding on all member nations. In other words, it's a hot-bed of political intrigue and double-dealing.
The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

I've been seeing a lot of people argue that so and so proposal 'oversteps the bounds of the UN' or something to that tune. I've thrown that one out myself. But as I think about it, and read the quotes from the NationStates FAQ above I wonder what exactly the bounds of the UN are From a standpoint of playing the game by the answeres given by the creator, nothing is out of bounds. The MAJORITY gets to decide what should and should not be controlled by the UN. Don't like what the majority passes? Leave the UN or try to get the resolution taken out of the game.

I don't think that the UN is anything like our UN in the real world. In this one anything goes so long as a majority agrees. Many people seem to think this is a bad thing. I'm not quite sure where I stand. I think I lean toward 'majority rules'.

So I'm going to ask you all for your opinion. What does the majority here think the UN should cover? Should the UN be able to influence all aspects of a country, as the FAQ says, or should it only have limited power? Apparently what the people here sometimes say 'should be issues, not resolutions' the majority says should in fact be resolutions. But I also think that a lot of those people are very idealist and will vote for anything that looks nice in theory but upon further inspection is a pretty stupid, or at least badly written, idea. I'd like to see what you all that actually come here and at LEAST think critically about proposals before voting have to say.

This isn't a proposal (yet). I was just curious as to what you all thought.

This site is mostly inhabited by idealistic idiots. The problem is, they don't stop to think, thus forcing their idiocy on the intelligent UN members.

I agree, but also would like to add that there SHOULD be a way of "boycotting" a passed resolution.

Also, bringing up one of the major points in the argument over the so called "common Sense Act" - The UN should only have power to change nation's interaction with each other and NOT be able to change internal laws.

Also, bringing up one of the major points in the argument over the so called "common Sense Act" - The UN should only have power to change nation's interaction with each other and NOT be able to change internal laws.

Why?

As is pointed out at the start of this thread the NS UN has ultimate power bwa ha ha. All it needs is a majority vote and your nation becomes one that can only produce flowers, or will never go to war, or litterally anything. That's the price you pay for signing up.

I'd also like to request taht people voted against the current common sense II proposal.

Beka
Today's spokeslamb for Nebbyland

I agree, but also would like to add that there SHOULD be a way of "boycotting" a passed resolution.

Sort of how nations can choose not to endorse or pass certain things in the real UN yet still remain a part of the UN?

We the People's Republic Of Amyth believe that certain all powerful nations should have veto power to stop these stuperfluous resolutions after they get voted on, but before they become law. We at the PROA would like to nominate the nation of Tipayimisoowin, or ofcourse, ourselves.

The views expressed in this memorandum are not necessarily the views of the nation of Tipayimisoowin. These views are soley the opinion of the PROA's glorious leader, the right honourable Prime Minister.

We the People's Republic Of Amyth believe that certain all powerful nations should have veto power to stop these stuperfluous resolutions after they get voted on, but before they become law. We at the PROA would like to nominate the nation of Tipayimisoowin, or ofcourse, ourselves.

The views expressed in this memorandum are not necessarily the views of the nation of Tipayimisoowin. These views are soley the opinion of the PROA's glorious leader, the right honourable Prime Minister.

We, the Free Land of Tipayimisoowin, are greatly honoured by the nomination by the People's Republic of Amyth. The establishment of a veto to end the rising superfluidity of proposals will receive the full support of the FLOT. The FLOT would also like to recommend that the PROA be granted said veto power.

However, we, the FLOT, believe that it should be a collective veto, where all veto-holding nations must come to a consensus, instead of a single nation. This would prevent any one nation controlling the UN (except for, of course, the PROA or the FLOT).

The FLOT thanks you all for your time and consideration of this noble cause.

all the power it needs

all the power it needs

Yet, not enough in some areas...

all the power... but only so long as we are in charge...

It should have the power to grant authority of rights and set rules of international conflict. However, it technically has unlimited power.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
DU Regional Delegate

The UN should be able to monitor the conduct of international affairs, but I feel that the U.N. has no business exercising control over the internal affairs of governments.

This site is mostly inhabited by idealistic idiots. The problem is, they don't stop to think, thus forcing their idiocy on the intelligent UN members.
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Ding Ding Ding ! we have a winner. Judging by the content, context and verbal sparring skills found in the vast bulk of posts and proposals, I'd have to say many people on here simply can not or will not think critically. Add to that the poor logic employed and the end result is none to suprising. Assinine proposals that basically turn the job of governance over to the NS UN. I suspect someday this will be a shockign suprise as UN troops, in their IRCO outfitts move in to quell "civil unrest" . I'd highly reccomend anyone wishing to put forth proposals and arguements both for and against go here http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ and at least learn how to construct an arguement.

The UN should have power so long as it continues to protect liberty.

The UN should have power so long as it continues to protect liberty.

The UN should be stripped of its power as long as it FORCES liberty upon others.

Ok currently the UN is dominated by the "puppy and kitten nations" that endorse anything that looks happy and colorful. Nations like the great Nevermoore are being stepped on by these nations and a tragedy may happen if the "puppy and kitten nations" are not careful. Like say making a democratic form of government compulsory for example. That would toss dictator nations into chaos and result in the death of billions from the civil wars that would follow.

The UN should have power so long as it continues to protect liberty.

The UN should be stripped of its power as long as it FORCES liberty upon others.

Ok currently the UN is dominated by the "puppy and kitten nations" that endorse anything that looks happy and colorful. Nations like the great Nevermoore are being stepped on by these nations and a tragedy may happen if the "puppy and kitten nations" are not careful. Like say making a democratic form of government compulsory for example. That would toss dictator nations into chaos and result in the death of billions from the civil wars that would follow.

Then quit the UN, sheesh. It's not like we're invading you or anything.

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The UN should have power so long as it continues to protect liberty.

The UN should be stripped of its power as long as it FORCES liberty upon others.

Ok currently the UN is dominated by the "puppy and kitten nations" that endorse anything that looks happy and colorful. Nations like the great Nevermoore are being stepped on by these nations and a tragedy may happen if the "puppy and kitten nations" are not careful. Like say making a democratic form of government compulsory for example. That would toss dictator nations into chaos and result in the death of billions from the civil wars that would follow.

Then quit the UN, sheesh. It's not like we're invading you or anything.

By all means we SHOULD quit, our economy would finally jump back into frightening! However, we wish to represent a forgotten faction of nations in the UN and we can't do that by running away. You will not get rid of us so easily, perhaps if you SLAUGHTERED US ALL we would be quiet, but you wouldn't do that now, would you?

Nevermoore's Ambassador to the United Nations:
Emelia Hearting

OOC: I don't want to quit, I'm playing the totalitarian nation that is being shackled down by the evil United Nations. It is quite fun really.

The UN should have power so long as it continues to protect liberty.

The UN should be stripped of its power as long as it FORCES liberty upon others.

Ok currently the UN is dominated by the "puppy and kitten nations" that endorse anything that looks happy and colorful. Nations like the great Nevermoore are being stepped on by these nations and a tragedy may happen if the "puppy and kitten nations" are not careful. Like say making a democratic form of government compulsory for example. That would toss dictator nations into chaos and result in the death of billions from the civil wars that would follow.

Then quit the UN, sheesh. It's not like we're invading you or anything.

By all means we SHOULD quit, our economy would finally jump back into frightening! However, we wish to represent a forgotten faction of nations in the UN and we can't do that by running away. You will not get rid of us so easily, perhaps if you SLAUGHTERED US ALL we would be quiet, but you wouldn't do that now, would you?

Nevermoore's Ambassador to the United Nations:
Emelia Hearting

OOC: I don't want to quit, I'm playing the totalitarian nation that is being shackled down by the evil United Nations. It is quite fun really.

My country has been a UN member for almost its entire history and it has frightening economy and civil rights.

My country has been a UN member for almost its entire history and it has frightening economy and civil rights.

That's fine, you joined the UN before me. ...So?

If you quit I'm sure you would make much more money with all the new freedoms industry and business would receive. That's also a sickening amount of civil rights. You had better run off now, I think there is an anti-government ralley going on with that much civil rights there has to be a protest SOMEWHERE about SOMETHING.

Anyway I just think the United Nations has been overstepping its bounds a tad, this is a DEMOCRATIC organization, right? Our country is a member, so we have every right to voice our displeasure with the current way things are being run.

Nevermoore's Ambassador to the United Nations:
Emelia Hearting

My country has been a UN member for almost its entire history and it has frightening economy and civil rights.

That's fine, you joined the UN before me. ...So?

If you quit I'm sure you would make much more money with all the new freedoms industry and business would receive. That's also a sickening amount of civil rights. You had better run off now, I think there is an anti-government ralley going on with that much civil rights there has to be a protest SOMEWHERE about SOMETHING.

Anyway I just think the United Nations has been overstepping its bounds a tad, this is a DEMOCRATIC organization, right? Our country is a member, so we have every right to voice our displeasure with the current way things are being run.


So... freedom is sickening?

I don't mind the protests... better protests than oppression and violence.

And where did I say I wanted to censor you? You have every bit of a right to say what you want as I do.

We the People's Republic Of Amyth have witnessed what other countries citizens do when they have an excess of civil rights, fornicating with animals, running around naked with their privates in scalding hot coffee and then suing McDonalds, and yes it is sickening.
We at the PROA have also often come under the subtle forms of censorship, then heard, "We wern't trying to censor you" like that is some sort of crime. Censorship is good and necessary. Democracy is bad we are glad that you are coming over to the dark side, keep up the good censorship work...