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Dear esteemed members of the United Nations,

It has recently come to our attention that the Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes have been unjustly categorized as a "Father Knows Best" nation. We are, quite understandably, outraged at this arrogant and presumptuous attempt to force oppressive patriarchal values and labels upon our fair country. We request an immediate review and revision of the UN category labels to remove all bias of gender, race, religion. socioeconomic class, and so on. We do not wish to have to view the UN as an oppressive body, but if such changes are not made we shall have no choice but to do so.

Sincerely,
Ms. Foxke Lafra
Leader of the Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes

Get over it. You're not being oppressed. :roll: (Remember, it's only a game.) Talk to ya later sexy! :wink:

And my country has been unjustly labelled left-leaning college state even though I maxed out on economic freedom and should be capitalizt (high economic/civil, medium political). But it's a game, so who cares?

Flavius Keating,
Chairman of the Department of Very Foreign Policy

The Democratic Republic of New Ulen is a Left-Wing Utopia and is proud of it. :D

I hate these feminazis. :roll:

wow. look at the ass on that

I hate to tell you but your label is the result of your choices on founding the nation and your answers to the issues.

I agree with the Oppressed Possums. I took a quick look at the Womyn Dikes nation, and it appears to me that this label is well deserved because of the condescending attitude its leader takes toward her citizens. It has been described as a "benevolent dictatorship." Best wishes shedding this description, Womyn Dikes!

We regret that the United Nations has shown such a discouraging response to our reasonable request. Very disappointing.

Sincerely,
The Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes

(Sidenote: Heh, I know it's a game and that the category listing results from game choices. Duh. :roll: I was attempting to kick-start some sort of dialouge on the subconsciously patriarchal overtones of the category listings and possibly the UN itself, since it would be IC for my nation to be vigilant about that, but perhaps I didn't make myself very clear.)

*Somebody* needs to chill! :?

We regret that the United Nations has shown such a discouraging response to our reasonable request. Very disappointing.

Sincerely,
The Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes

(Sidenote: Heh, I know it's a game and that the category listing results from game choices. Duh. :roll: I was attempting to kick-start some sort of dialouge on the subconsciously patriarchal overtones of the category listings and possibly the UN itself, since it would be IC for my nation to be vigilant about that, but perhaps I didn't make myself very clear.)

Your name makes it clear. Womyn? How feminist. Dykes? How feminist.. How does your nation of feminist women reproduce after it chases all the men away?

Would you be happy if I said it in character? Ok.

(In character) Those titles are purely factual scientific labels that come from exhaustive research done on each government’s attributes, values, and positions on various issues. I know it's completely factual, because I do the labeling myself! I deemed Father Knows Best State to be a very enjoyable description of your nations government. Am I fair and balanced or what?

Respectfully,
David Bailey, Oonaman Ambassador to the UN.

If you use the terms "fair and balanced," you can be sued...

:?

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She's going to hurt you.

Not through the ball gag, thankfully. :)

She seems unhappy.

Looks more like lust. She likes being DOMINATED.

The cry of lighten-up from some some of the above to the original poster seems a bit defensive, and at times puerile (to be expected).

I understand that "Father knows best" is a commonly used term and, more than often than not, used in an ironic manner, but still someone will inevitably take issue as with all things. this doesn't detract from the reasonableness of the stated claim for a dialogue on the matter: however, Womyn Dikes, you shouldn't expect too much of that here.

But, 2 things:

On reproduction without blokes: parthenogenesis. Anyway according to recent scientific research the redundant Y chromosome (Often regarded as a genetic wasteland) will slowly fade out rendering blokes more redundant than they currently seem to be.

Isn't Womyn Dikes a tautology? or is that irony too?

On reproduction without blokes: parthenogenesis. Anyway according to recent scientific research the redundant Y chromosome (Often regarded as a genetic wasteland) will slowly fade out rendering blokes more redundant than they currently seem to be.

. . Nice. You're a real help to my gender.

On reproduction without blokes: parthenogenesis. Anyway according to recent scientific research the redundant Y chromosome (Often regarded as a genetic wasteland) will slowly fade out rendering blokes more redundant than they currently seem to be.

HEY! We aren't redundant if you don't want to have a nation of clones. :lol:

We regret that the United Nations has shown such a discouraging response to our reasonable request. Very disappointing.

Sincerely,
The Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes

(Sidenote: Heh, I know it's a game and that the category listing results from game choices. Duh. :roll: I was attempting to kick-start some sort of dialouge on the subconsciously patriarchal overtones of the category listings and possibly the UN itself, since it would be IC for my nation to be vigilant about that, but perhaps I didn't make myself very clear.)
Of course there are patriarchal overtones. Men own everything. But I think that nitpicking doesn't help you at all. Get an education and start a business if you want to be as successful as men are. No one is holding you back. (How's that for dialogue?)

-Ryan James Wilson, Lord of Redding

Yeah; stopped this thread, didn't I?

As a woman, I can understand Womyn Dikes' frsutration with the names. However, I'm not that annoyed by them other than the fact that they don't always seem to correspond with how a nation deals with their issues. But it is just a game, so whatever. It's still fun.

My two Marhsmallow Peeps...
Belle, Empress of Steel Magnolias

On reproduction without blokes: parthenogenesis. Anyway according to recent scientific research the redundant Y chromosome (Often regarded as a genetic wasteland) will slowly fade out rendering blokes more redundant than they currently seem to be.

HEY! We aren't redundant if you don't want to have a nation of clones. :lol:

Of course we are! Name something that we are good for. Take the genes from two different females, splice them and you have a perfectly fine product without the negative side effects of cloning. They have eachother for relationships and everything else. Yes sir, our days are numbered!

On reproduction without blokes: parthenogenesis. Anyway according to recent scientific research the redundant Y chromosome (Often regarded as a genetic wasteland) will slowly fade out rendering blokes more redundant than they currently seem to be.

HEY! We aren't redundant if you don't want to have a nation of clones. :lol:

Of course we are! Name something that we are good for. Take the genes from two different females, splice them and you have a perfectly fine product without the negative side effects of cloning. They have eachother for relationships and everything else. Yes sir, our days are numbered!

Women need us. Our days shall never end.

We regret that the United Nations has shown such a discouraging response to our reasonable request. Very disappointing.

Sincerely,
The Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes

(Sidenote: Heh, I know it's a game and that the category listing results from game choices. Duh. :roll: I was attempting to kick-start some sort of dialouge on the subconsciously patriarchal overtones of the category listings and possibly the UN itself, since it would be IC for my nation to be vigilant about that, but perhaps I didn't make myself very clear.)
Of course there are patriarchal overtones. Men own everything. But I think that nitpicking doesn't help you at all. Get an education and start a business if you want to be as successful as men are. No one is holding you back. (How's that for dialogue?)

-Ryan James Wilson, Lord of Redding

We the People's Republic Of Amyth would like to note that it is possible for one to get an education, start a business and be as successful as men are, and then procede to nitpick in a very productive manner. If these issues are quitely swept under the carpet the underlying sexist attitudes will never change.

We thank you all for your support...

We regret that the United Nations has shown such a discouraging response to our reasonable request. Very disappointing.

Sincerely,
The Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes

(Sidenote: Heh, I know it's a game and that the category listing results from game choices. Duh. :roll: I was attempting to kick-start some sort of dialouge on the subconsciously patriarchal overtones of the category listings and possibly the UN itself, since it would be IC for my nation to be vigilant about that, but perhaps I didn't make myself very clear.)
Of course there are patriarchal overtones. Men own everything. But I think that nitpicking doesn't help you at all. Get an education and start a business if you want to be as successful as men are. No one is holding you back. (How's that for dialogue?)

-Ryan James Wilson, Lord of Redding

We the People's Republic Of Amyth would like to note that it is possible for one to get an education, start a business and be as successful as men are, and then procede to nitpick in a very productive manner. If these issues are quitely swept under the carpet the underlying sexist attitudes will never change.

We thank you all for your support...What issues? The fact that it says "father knows best state?" That's truly pathetic if people worry about that.

I don't know about you, but I have more important concerns like crime, the economy, the welfare of my people (even though I hardly notice they are there), gambling, and the UN.

Seriously, we Westerners, especially Americans, worry about the smallest, most insignificant things.

The term "Father-Knows-Best State" makes sense, since this particular rationalization of authority (that the people need said authority because they aren't as fit as those giving the orders) is a patriarchal attitude. For example, how many authoritarian societies have been matriarchal? Not many. Most authoritarian societies have been patriarchal, usually based on the internalized male attitude of "might makes right."

The term "Father-Knows-Best State" makes sense, since this particular rationalization of authority (that the people need said authority because they aren't as fit as those giving the orders) is a patriarchal attitude. For example, how many authoritarian societies have been matriarchal? Not many. Most authoritarian societies have been patriarchal, usually based on the internalized male attitude of "might makes right."
Um. How many societies have been matriarchal, period? As a proportion, I'd be suprised if matriarchal societies were significantly less authoritarian than patriarchal ones.
I thoroughly agree with the original point made by Womyn Dikes. The term "Father-Knows-Best State" is irrationally gender-biased, and ought to be changed, since in most regards this game is fairly good at avoiding the isms.

On reproduction without blokes: parthenogenesis. Anyway according to recent scientific research the redundant Y chromosome (Often regarded as a genetic wasteland) will slowly fade out rendering blokes more redundant than they currently seem to be.

HEY! We aren't redundant if you don't want to have a nation of clones. :lol:

Of course we are! Name something that we are good for. Take the genes from two different females, splice them and you have a perfectly fine product without the negative side effects of cloning. They have eachother for relationships and everything else. Yes sir, our days are numbered!

If I may be blunt, we give better sex then a dildo. I think that ensures our survival. While we survive, we will thrive.

The term "Father-Knows-Best State" makes sense, since this particular rationalization of authority (that the people need said authority because they aren't as fit as those giving the orders) is a patriarchal attitude. For example, how many authoritarian societies have been matriarchal? Not many. Most authoritarian societies have been patriarchal, usually based on the internalized male attitude of "might makes right."
Um. How many societies have been matriarchal, period? As a proportion, I'd be suprised if matriarchal societies were significantly less authoritarian than patriarchal ones.
I thoroughly agree with the original point made by Womyn Dikes. The term "Father-Knows-Best State" is irrationally gender-biased, and ought to be changed, since in most regards this game is fairly good at avoiding the isms.They aren't going to change that, as it would be positively moronic to do so.

On reproduction without blokes: parthenogenesis. Anyway according to recent scientific research the redundant Y chromosome (Often regarded as a genetic wasteland) will slowly fade out rendering blokes more redundant than they currently seem to be.

HEY! We aren't redundant if you don't want to have a nation of clones. :lol:

Of course we are! Name something that we are good for. Take the genes from two different females, splice them and you have a perfectly fine product without the negative side effects of cloning. They have eachother for relationships and everything else. Yes sir, our days are numbered!
They need us to feel loved, whether they admit it or not.
If I may be blunt, we give better sex then a dildo. I think that ensures our survival. While we survive, we will thrive.

On reproduction without blokes: parthenogenesis. Anyway according to recent scientific research the redundant Y chromosome (Often regarded as a genetic wasteland) will slowly fade out rendering blokes more redundant than they currently seem to be.

HEY! We aren't redundant if you don't want to have a nation of clones. :lol:

Of course we are! Name something that we are good for. Take the genes from two different females, splice them and you have a perfectly fine product without the negative side effects of cloning. They have eachother for relationships and everything else. Yes sir, our days are numbered!


They need us to feel loved, whether they admit it or not.
If I may be blunt, we give better sex then a dildo. I think that ensures our survival. While we survive, we will thrive.

Perhaps other women can fill that void. I don't know. I'm a lesbian, but I'm not a woman. :wink:

I don't know if it's society that gives some people the innate apprehension or disgust toward gays or if it's natural, but if it's natural then you have a valid point. But I still think my point is the best. :)
Hehe... point.

If I may be blunt, we give better sex then a dildo. I think that ensures our survival. While we survive, we will thrive.

Watch out - Officer Stephistan will get you if you don't behave. She must protect the children. And she knows what's best for you. And everyone. For your own good.

$Bill

Have I overestimated my fellow (gender-inclusive) gamers or are the reading comprehension skills of Nation Staters particularly abysmal?

The original post is obviously in character and ironic. Obviously matriarchies can be as rightist as any patriarchy (consider Margaret Thatcher). I'd chalk the reaction to it up to guys who don't date any, except that this denseness that I have noticed touches other issues.

A few hours back on the tech forum, I asked if there were a list of all the official UN Categories with definitions. The labels are very vague while giving the impression of being quite specific. For example, how does a "Scandinavian Liberal Paradise" differ from a "Left Leaning College State"? My request got a few snide "read the FAQs". Well, I already had and all they tell me is that there are 27 UN Categories. This gave me the distinct impression that my respondents could not comprehend either my requests or the FAQs. Which it is doesn't matter, since it doesn't alter my assessment.

If there are any readers out there who can point me to towards the answer, the literate Principality of Lastry would interpret it as a gesture of goodwill.

"... But then again, I'm a reader." - The late, great Bill Hicks

How do you get a girl interested in you? My problem is that I'm really shy and don't know what to say.

Have I overestimated my fellow (gender-inclusive) gamers or are the reading comprehension skills of Nation Staters particularly abysmal?

The original post is obviously in character and ironic. Obviously matriarchies can be as rightist as any patriarchy (consider Margaret Thatcher). I'd chalk the reaction to it up to guys who don't date any, except that this denseness that I have noticed touches other issues.

A few hours back on the tech forum, I asked if there were a list of all the official UN Categories with definitions. The labels are very vague while giving the impression of being quite specific. For example, how does a "Scandinavian Liberal Paradise" differ from a "Left Leaning College State"? My request got a few snide "read the FAQs". Well, I already had and all they tell me is that there are 27 UN Categories. This gave me the distinct impression that my respondents could not comprehend either my requests or the FAQs. Which it is doesn't matter, since it doesn't alter my assessment.

If there are any readers out there who can point me to towards the answer, the literate Principality of Lastry would interpret it as a gesture of goodwill.

"... But then again, I'm a reader." - The late, great Bill Hicks

We the People's Republic Of Amyth would also be interested in the answer about the category definitions, we would like to know why we are a psychotic dictatorship?

Probably because you have few political freedoms/civil rights.

Dear esteemed members of the United Nations,

It has recently come to our attention that the Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes have been unjustly categorized as a "Father Knows Best" nation. We are, quite understandably, outraged at this arrogant and presumptuous attempt to force oppressive patriarchal values and labels upon our fair country. We request an immediate review and revision of the UN category labels to remove all bias of gender, race, religion. socioeconomic class, and so on. We do not wish to have to view the UN as an oppressive body, but if such changes are not made we shall have no choice but to do so.

Sincerely,
Ms. Foxke Lafra
Leader of the Oppressed Peoples of Womyn Dikes

It's just a politically incorrect term... I don't have a clue why anyone is making an issue out of it.

Probably because you have few political freedoms/civil rights.

Why no corrupt dictatorship, or police state, or oppressive monarchy?