NationStates Jolt Archive


National Freedom in the United Nations

Beanbag Chairs
01-09-2003, 19:20
National Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights Strength: Significant Proposed by: Beanbag Chairs
Description: It is in the best interest of our nation and many others polled that certain issues are not only unworthy of the UN's time, but beyond the UN's scope of control. This proposal would eliminate the UN from having a say in the following aspects of a nation, and leave the decisions on these issues strictly to the leader of the individual nation:

-Banning or institution of alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs.
-Banning or institution of abortion
-Banning or institution of child labor laws, education, or civil rights beyond the most basic of human freedoms.

This is a movement to put control back into the hands of the national leaders, and yet not hinder the progress of the UN and NationStates as a whole.
The Planetian Empire
01-09-2003, 20:11
We can never support such a proposal. Your local Colony of the Planetian Empire feels that child labor laws, education, and civil rights must most certainly be within the United Nations' jurisdiction, and not just at the level of the most basic human rights, but to an extent that would allow all citizens of UN nations to experience the same levels of civil liberties and political freedom.

Further, this Colony's current governor and his advisers feel that nationalizm is not, ultimately, a very good thing. We look forward to a day, however remote it may be, when sovereign states do not exist, and when either the United Nations or some other democratic international council has the final say in all major affairs in all corners of the world. In other words, we dream of a global federation, in which each nation acts as nothing more than a province within a larger legal and political framework -- with the rights to institute some regional laws, of course, but allways bound by the higher laws of the central global government.

We feel that the spirit of this resolution would be detrimental to this, one of our ultimate causes.
Beanbag Chairs
01-09-2003, 22:38
The Dictatorship of Beanbag Chairs understands your view, and respects it, as well as understands your lack of support. However, please understand that other nations differ in opinion and wish to keep a national identity; a sort of "salad bowl" society rather than the globalized "melting pot".
The Global Market
01-09-2003, 23:40
The Global Market's Department of Very Foreign Policy agrees with this resolution and will support it. We feel it issues such as labor laws are strictly a country's own responsiblity. This isn't a human rights issue since it is consensual. It is an economics issue. Likewise, the legalization of drugs should be a country's own initiative. Like we have legalized drugs.

Flavius Keating,
Chairman of the Department of Very Foreign Policy
Commonwealth of the Global Market
1st September, AD 2003, 64th Anniversary of Fall Weisz
The Planetian Empire
02-09-2003, 21:28
The Dictatorship of Beanbag Chairs understands your view, and respects it, as well as understands your lack of support. However, please understand that other nations differ in opinion and wish to keep a national identity; a sort of "salad bowl" society rather than the globalized "melting pot".

We respect both your views and the views of those other states which would like to keep a national identity. Our government's views are that the creation of a "melting pot" global culture is more or less inevitable due to the modern world's ease of global communication and transportation, and that aspects of regional culture that can be protected today could also be protected under a global government, since what are now nations would still exist as provinces of the world, with some regional laws and traditions.

Witness Quebec, a province of the nation of Canada, bound by Canada's federal laws. Quebec's government has striven to preserve the province's French roots in a predominantly anglicized, english-speaking nation, and has succeeded. And yet the Federal Government of Canada makes laws which are superior to Quebec's provincial laws, and which, when in conflict with them, override them.

We feel that similarly, nations will be able to keep their identities under a global government.
02-09-2003, 23:00
We look forward to a day, however remote it may be, when sovereign states do not exist, and when either the United Nations or some other democratic international council has the final say in all major affairs in all corners of the world.

Why does democracy have to be the one to control everything. In todays world Democracy is unobtainable by any country trying to convert to it. Look at some of the countries that have tried to convert but failed and now they are extremly poor. America got lucky in obtaining democracy when it did and it isnt something that is going to be repeated.
The Planetian Empire
07-09-2003, 19:01
We look forward to a day, however remote it may be, when sovereign states do not exist, and when either the United Nations or some other democratic international council has the final say in all major affairs in all corners of the world.

Why does democracy have to be the one to control everything. In todays world Democracy is unobtainable by any country trying to convert to it. Look at some of the countries that have tried to convert but failed and now they are extremly poor. America got lucky in obtaining democracy when it did and it isnt something that is going to be repeated.

Your Hon. Government's policy, then, is "can't win, don't try?"
08-09-2003, 00:06
We the People's Republic Of Amyth oppose this resolution as it interferes with our New World Order plan. Anything that supports the diversity of the world, even on justifiable humanatarian grounds, should be opposed.
08-09-2003, 03:37
We the People's Republic Of Amyth oppose this resolution as it interferes with our New World Order plan. Anything that supports the diversity of the world, even on justifiable humanatarian grounds, should be opposed.

What a boring vision of the world. Our citizens will go down fighting that plan.

And as for the issue at hand, I don't really like to say it, but the UN really SHOULDN'T have rule over those things. I don't want to see child labor anywhere but that's an economic issue and should be left up to individual nations. However that's REALLY just an opinion. The majority will ultimatly decide whether the UN should have reign over those areas under our current guidelines.