Random Assignment of Nations Resolution
Let it be known that the Dictatorship of Mauvedotsinia is against this resolution, for the simple reason that several regions were formed and created by friends for their own purposes. Forcing them to automatically take in new nations, while a valid method of diluting the Pacific, is not the best approach. Instead, the following options would be suggested:
1) Having a list of regions that are willing to allow brand new nations to enter into them when said nations are created; this could then become an option that could be implemented at the creation of a new nation.
2) The creation of other regions that mirror regions in the 'real' world, and thus new nations could be randomly assigned to one of these regions.
[code:1:ee19f24a0c]OOC: Assuming, of course, that the [violet] is willing/able to code these resolutions. Just ideas that might help without making it too much of a nightmare with random selection, etc. Always have sympathy for a related color, after all... :)[/code:1:ee19f24a0c]
Sock Puppets
31-12-2002, 15:18
The Holy Empire of Sock Puppets agrees wholeheartedly with the Dictatorship of Mauvedotsinia in this matter. Why should The Land of BnG let in people who have no clue what BnG stands for or is all about? It's crazy-talk I tell you! Crazy!
It's bad enough that we have to accept anyone that wants to join our region; now you want to randomly assign new nations. No thanks.
I'd prefer to see the opposite. A new nation that wants to join a region must be voted upon and accepted by a majority of nations in the region.
The Republic of Cuatela suggests that both ideas be implemented. We believe that new nations should be randomly assigned, but if the region does not vote to accept them, the country will be routed to another region (also randomly). This should appease both sides....
The Confederacy of Bhairavia is far more inclined to the opinion expressed by Jones Land. The region our nation is in was constructed around a very specific idea; it wasn't designed to be an all-purpose, anyone-can-join region.
The best option would be for the founder of a particular region to be able to turn the option for open membership on and off initially and thus incorporate a few founding countries for a region. He could then decide whether those other nations that joined would also be able to accept other countries into the region, so that any new country would have to have at least one sponsor already in the region... or they could just leave membership open all the time. That way, some regions would be like a group of staellite nations, like the old Soviet bloc. Others would be more like the British Commonwealth (new nations need a certain element of culture history), etc.
Randomly assigning countries to regions seems like a pretty bad idea, since the countries already in that region have made a decision to have their region be a certain way.
The Federation of Hernando Desoto and The Land of the Ancients region is quite concerned with this idea. Following is the press release for our benevolent leader Hernando Desoto.
released 12/31/02 to The Lands of the Ancients Region and the UN member nations.
With much care The Lands of the Ancients Region convened a council meeting of the LARTO (Lands of the Ancients Region Treaty Organization) members. One of the topics covered in this meeting was the proposal of a new resolution "Random Assignment of Nations Resolution". LARTO has come to the conclusion that we can not support this resolution due to the following reasons.
1. As stated eloquently by many of our distinguished peers throughout the world. This resolution would force upon a region countries not like minded in there thinking, upon an established region. Thus raising the possibilities for war within a region.
2. However LARTO is prepared to support the idea that was brought up by the distinguished Bhairavia.
The Confederacy of Bhairavia is far more inclined to the opinion expressed by Jones Land. The region our nation is in was constructed around a very specific idea; it wasn't designed to be an all-purpose, anyone-can-join region.
The best option would be for the founder of a particular region to be able to turn the option for open membership on and off initially and thus incorporate a few founding countries for a region. He could then decide whether those other nations that joined would also be able to accept other countries into the region, so that any new country would have to have at least one sponsor already in the region... or they could just leave membership open all the time. That way, some regions would be like a group of staellite nations, like the old Soviet bloc. Others would be more like the British Commonwealth (new nations need a certain element of culture history), etc.
Randomly assigning countries to regions seems like a pretty bad idea, since the countries already in that region have made a decision to have their region be a certain way.
Record of Voting on "Random Assignment of Nations Resolution". resolution
The Federation of Hernando Desoto
nay
The Republic of Uno
nay
The Dominion of Dante Agullrei
nay
The Free Land of Mutants
nay
The Holy Empire of Mt Olympus
nay
The Empire of KoA
nay
The Kingdom of Playboy
nay
In closing LARTO will not be supporting the "Random Assignment of Nations Resolution". resolution. We also implore the rest of the world to think long and hard before supporting such a resolution, and follow our lead and not support the "Random Assignment of Nations Resolution". resolution. Instead support the Bhairavia and others resolution idea.
Hernando Desoto
President of The Federation of Hernando Desoto
Chief Counsel member of LARTO
Going against the wishes of The GSF Commonwealth's UN Delegate, the Principality of Getta has voted unanimously to support the current UN Resolution.
Should the Nations of the PAcific, small as most may be, were to band together politallcy, economically and militarily, the entire world would be cast under a shadow of fear.
Even the damage such a SuperPower would be able to commit in the UN alone demands immediate action.
However, should a new UN Resolution be produced, one which matches the idea presented by Mauvedotsinia:
2) The creation of other regions that mirror regions in the 'real' world, and thus new nations could be randomly assigned to one of these regions.
then the Principality cwould vote for such a resolution, and encourage all other nations to participate as well.
Going against the wishes of The GSF Commonwealth's UN Delegate, the Principality of Getta has voted unanimously to support the current UN Resolution.
Should the Nations of the PAcific, small as most may be, were to band together politallcy, economically and militarily, the entire world would be cast under a shadow of fear.
Even the damage such a SuperPower would be able to commit in the UN alone demands immediate action.
However, should a new UN Resolution be produced, one which matches the idea presented by Mauvedotsinia:
2) The creation of other regions that mirror regions in the 'real' world, and thus new nations could be randomly assigned to one of these regions.
then the Principality cwould vote for such a resolution, and encourage all other nations to participate as well.
There should be a region called "The Void" and it has no UN status. All new counties start out there until they want to move to another. The Pacific has too much power being the region where all countries start out. It is wrong! If the Pacific is the starting point, how do I get my region to be the starting point?
Get rid of The Pacific as the starting point!!!
While many alternative ideas have been furthered in this debate, all of which have valid points, I think that there is an more practical and fair solution: have the new nations decide for themselves. Include a page of all the regions in the world and basic information about them, and then have the leaders of the new nations decide. I think the problem is that the new countries are just too frustrated with the slowness of the site and have other, more important things to attend to rather than switch regions. If they had the opportunity to choose, then they wouldn't just stay in one assigned region all the time, but be in the region that they chose.
Now, by nature, this raises a few objections, such as the problem of an enormous amount of nations such as in the Pacific, and the problem of too many nations that are unwanted. To circumvent this, we could place two limits on the number of nations in a certain region: one on the maximum number of nations in it, and one on the minimum of nations in the region before the region can decide which ones to keep and which ones to disallow. This way, there is no possible way for there to be a multitude of nations in a region, as well as no possibility of a reticent region only allowing a few friends in it that can influence delegate choices for the UN.
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The President of the Free Land of Mare Ingenii would like to point out that the laws of the universe are not up for debate. We can no more vote away gravity than we can vote on where new nations originate or on giving regions the option of controlling membership through a vote for admittance. We must abide by the laws of the world, as they are set down. You can complain if you like, but you will likely be happier if you just learn to live with the world as it is.
Seeing as there is no point in voting for this resolution due to the lack of effect it will have, the Free People of Mare Ingenii are set to vote against it so as to prevent the dignity of the UN from being tarnished by the stupidity of trying to vote away the natural laws of the world.
I say the resolution is nice but another one following up to it would be nice. I wish to see the pacific toppled more than the winning of some nations about its not fair. They can join you at any time ya know with or without the random thing. But I suppose it is fair that you get to be a "private" region so here is a follow up I would propose:
Furtherment of Randomazation
This proposal would like to further that assinging of Random Nations proposal. We agree nations should be asigned Randomly but we say that they should also allow nations not wishing to accept new members to enable a system to stop nations from being assigned to them by random and possibly only allow certain nations to come to them.
We also would like to add that a feature be enabled to choose your region from the begining and show a regions openness, ideals, and member number. If they cannot decide the nation can choose a random feature and go randomly toward an open region
*Rises to his feet*
Ladies and gentlemen, members of this august body, the Kingdom of Sarmatia wishes firstly to thank the United Nations for approving its application for membership, and on behalf of my people, I welcome this opportunity to address the Assembly.
The Kingdom of Sarmatia votes for this proposal, on the basis of the need for growth and the need for equal distribution of nation states amongst the regions.Whilst the Pacific is indeed a location that has seen growth and prosperity to its members, it cannot be denied that other regions must see equal growth. Uneven divisions of nations , especially in the Pacific, will not allow proper dissemination of ideas and cultural exchanges.
Sarmatia stands in support of the resolution.
On behalf of the citizens of the Free Land of Auszeichnend, let it be known that we agree with the positions put forth by Mauvedotsinia and The Grey Havens. The Pacific has far too much power as the large starting point for all nations, and the creation of a starting region that does not have UN status would be extremely practical.
But Phelps even more importantly, the random assignment of nations to regions created by members would in many circumstances lead to very uncomfortable results. Many regions, as beloved as they are by their resident nations, simply wouldn't be appropriate for many new nations. As the representative of a nation residing in the Conspiracy of Slashdom, our fair region, and it's glorious ideals of fair trade chocolate, hot sex, various kinkiness and the spread of the wonder that is Slashdom, would probably be quite disconcerting to the unsuspecting and randomly assigned newcomer. Many people would likely be quite uncomfortable there, and the resulting conflict would disrupt the peace of our region. Perhaps regions could vote on whether or not they wish to allow new nations to be randomly assigned to them?
Pfirsich
Chancellor of the Free Land of Auszeichnend
On behalf of the citizens of the Free Land of Auszeichnend, let it be known that we agree with the positions put forth by Mauvedotsinia and The Grey Havens. The Pacific has far too much power as the large starting point for all nations, and the creation of a starting region that does not have UN status would be extremely practical.
But Perhaps even more importantly, the random assignment of nations to regions created by members would in many circumstances lead to very uncomfortable results. Many regions, as beloved as they are by their resident nations, simply wouldn't be appropriate for many new nations. As the representative of a nation residing in the Conspiracy of Slashdom, our fair region, and it's glorious ideals of fair trade chocolate, hot sex, various kinkiness and the spread of the wonder that is Slashdom, would probably be quite disconcerting to the unsuspecting and randomly assigned newcomer. Many people would likely be quite uncomfortable there, and the resulting conflict would disrupt the peace of our region. Perhaps regions could vote on whether or not they wish to allow new nations to be randomly assigned to them?
Pfirsich
Chancellor of the Free Land of Auszeichnend
The Kingdom of Ours says keep all newcomers in the Pacific.
The region is handy for nuclear testing and with global warming getting hotter, a tidal wave -- or two -- will wipe green nations away.
The King has Spoken
The Republic of Kibroth-Hattaavah have voted against this resolution as it is yet another Technical Issue masquerading as the promotion of Democracy.
Prince Troike of Troikmenistan would like to personally thank and applaud all those who voted against this ill-hearted resolution.
It is the belief of Troikmenistan that to randomly assign new nations to privatley-created regions would only evoke massive regional tensions across the globe. The volume of these tensions would be of such magnitude that the UN would be swamped, unable to mediate between the new nations and existing ones who opposed the intrusion into their Regions. Inevitably, hostility and war would break out, leading to many unnecessary and preventable deaths worldwide.
Please vote against this resolution for the sake of world peace.
-Prince Troike
The Rogue Nation of Jerry P is decidedly against this resolution.
As other like minded nations have stated the region we inhabit was created so that our friend nations would have a place to band together politically. While our region is small, consisting of only three nations, we are all bound together by our love of Twist-Up and Chicken. We do not want random nations, possible supporters of other carbonated beverages and poultry products to have free access to our region.
While it would be nice for a toggle option allowing a regions delegate to either set the region to "open" status or "vote-in" status, the Rogue Nation of Jerry P understands that the Great Purveyor of Code in the Sky may not have the time to make these changes.
It is with that knowledge in mind that the Rogue Nation of Jerry P makes the recommendation to other U.N. Nations that if they wish to increase the voting power of their region to move over to the NationStates forum and actively recruit.
Your Pal,
Jerry P
Thalbourne
01-01-2003, 04:06
The Federation of Thalbourne would like to point out that The so-called "Political Might" of The Pacific is a foolish assumption anyway. As of this post, The Delegate for The Pacific has only 11 Endorsements (20 at next Update), out of over 2000 Pacific Nations.
The Federation of Thalbourne would also like to point out that the vast majority of nations in The Pacific are not UN members, and may never choose to be. I have not yet done a full evaluation on The Pacific, but I estimate that only around 2-4% of the Nations inside The Pacific are in fact UN members. Add to that the extreme difficulty of such a diverse Region to organise, and Unanimously choose a representative, I see no reason to support this bill.
Many other Regions, like Sluggtopia and PvP Nation, have more Powerful Delegates, often by at least double that of the Pacific's. I recommend that the blatant fearmongering of this proposal be knocked back!
Dear Dictator of Mauvedotsinia, I originally voted against this proposal for the reasons you suggest, but later changed my vote after deciding that although it might be annoying for some to have uninvited guests staying in their region, it could also make the game quite a bit more interesting, by bringing nations into contact with each other that might otherwise never meet.
Sincerely,
The Republic of Anatenka
Its is the opinion of the Ruling Party of The People's Republic of Phi that this resolution be passed, and later ammended with the following articles:
I. All new nations are placed into the Pacific for a period of Two (2) weeks, thereafter they are randomly assigned to a different reigion. This Two (2) week period is given to all nations in order for them to adjust to The World
II. All reigions have the OPTION to refuse the possibility of randomly assigned applicants
III. All reigions have the OPTION to place all new applicants before a commitee who will judge an applicants worthyness to join said reigion.
IV. Any applicant / randomly assigned nation who is refuzed entry into a reigion will be again randomly assigned, until they are accepted into a reigion
V. In the event that a nation wishes to STAY in the Pacific reigion, said nation must apply via Article III, and depending on the commitee's resolution, follow Artical IV
This Resolution as it stands is at best, a mockery of our system. Nations have a right to choose where they start, however a region should have the power to oversee who comes within it's borders. As it stands this one is far too flawed to be approved.
I believe as stated in this layout:
I. All new nations are randomly placed into a region chosen from a list of available regions who have opted to be a part of the Starter Nation Program, hearafter refered to as SNP. SNP is defined as a list of Regions who have marked themselves willing to take in new nations without need for the nation to gain approval for their entry. All Members of SNP do not require any approval for people to join their Region.
II. All reigions who have not opted to be a part of the SNP have the RIGHT to refuse the entry of applying nations.
III. All reigions have the RIGHT to place all new applicants before a commitee who will judge an applicants worthyness to join said region.
IV. Any applicant who is refused entry into a region will be notified that they were denied with a response constructed by the region who denied them access.
As stated on this plan layout, all problems are covered. The new nations are randomized and regions who wish to restrict access to within their borders gain that ability as they should have.
This is the proposed direction as stated by Emporer Drahkar, may his reign over our people never end.
Be well to look over these words.
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Minister of Foreign Policy
Empire of Boylonia