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...it's becoming really annoying, please tone it down.

I agree that it has gone over board when there is advertising inserted WITHIN posts. That is just tacky and intrusive in the extreme.

Example (http://www.atddm.com/nsnsexmp.jpg)

Edited to add - "or see the post above mine."

It's not just NSG - that new advert in the first post of every page is in the RP forums as well.

I agree - it's becoming really over the top and distracting. I don't mind advertising in banners, but I strongly object to adverts within player posts.

I agree that it has gone over board when there is advertising inserted WITHIN posts. That is just tacky and intrusive in the extreme.

Example (http://www.atddm.com/nsnsexmp.jpg)

Edited to add - "or see the post above mine."

that post was easy to read before that ad was placed there

So they've gotten rid of advertising beneath the first post and moved it to within the post... Well, unfortunately all we can do is complain to Jolt. We can't control them in that respect.

So they've gotten rid of advertising beneath the first post and moved it to within the post... Well, unfortunately all we can do is complain to Jolt. We can't control them in that respect.

I can.

No but seriously, I've seen the admins on the thread in NSG, I'm sure they're aware of it.

If nothing else, quoted posts are not properly sectioned off, they run through the ads, sloppy to say the least.

I don't mind when the ad is below the post, but within it is just overkill- it hurts the image of the forums and I don't think anyone is more likely to click on it. Unless it's by accident- maybe that's what Jolt's counting on?

I can.

No but seriously, I've seen the admins on the thread in NSG, I'm sure they're aware of it.

If nothing else, quoted posts are not properly sectioned off, they run through the ads, sloppy to say the least.
If they are lurking there to check how it's working and what the reaction is, they better do something about it. I admit, I'm sincerely angry about this because I actually like having free sites/services that are supported by paid advertising. I think advertising done right can enhance a service. Advertising done wrong can kill it. And the rules for how to do it right are not only well-established for decades, but also obvious to anyone willing to use their brains. Seeing someone screw up something that I actually kind of value and support, and screw it up in such an obvious way, pisses me off to no end.

So they've gotten rid of advertising beneath the first post and moved it to within the post... Well, unfortunately all we can do is complain to Jolt. We can't control them in that respect.

While I'm only speaking for myself, I personally found the advertising beneath the first post easier to igno..., I mean, easier to tolerate than advertising inside the first post.

There's already a thread in NSG devoted to the technical issues of how to set up an adblocker to block out that first post ad, so it also seems self-defeating.

And while I can try and set up an ad blocker appropriately on my home laptop, I can't download one at work (not that I'd ever use NS on work time <cough>).

Add me to the list of people seriously upset about this.

If they are lurking there to check how it's working and what the reaction is, they better do something about it. I admit, I'm sincerely angry about this because I actually like having free sites/services that are supported by paid advertising. I think advertising done right can enhance a service. Advertising done wrong can kill it. And the rules for how to do it right are not only well-established for decades, but also obvious to anyone willing to use their brains. Seeing someone screw up something that I actually kind of value and support, and screw it up in such an obvious way, pisses me off to no end.

It's a screw up on at least three levels:

1. Basic programming - quoted text running through the in-post advertising could easily have been tested on a demo site
2. Advertising - a forum is only as useful as its users, a sticky notifying us and asking for opinion would, at least, been good business practice, actually gaining the opinion of the customer, at most disrespectful in going ahead regardless
3. PR - an immediate solution is not expected but where an admin has seen the issue raised, is seeing people install adblock, at least a post to say 'hey guys, we've seen this, we'll post an official response soon, in the meantime we'll work in the in-post text issue'.

On all these, there's a failure, against all evidence, I think most of us are reasonable people and admins should be able to discern reasonable advice compared to gut reaction.

I provide this advice for free, next time I'll invoice :)

Yeah, seriously what the hell is with it, i preferred the way it was before, what the hell is the deal, i mean, It's just ugly and really messes up the posts, if they must advertise they should do it the way the did before, banner ads below a post not WITHIN the post, it looks horrible and if anything puts people off

We should do a petition to remove ads within posts

I´m also attaching myself to the angry group.

Ads outside posts are completely fine with me.
(except those that blink in colors,make annoying noises or shake uncontrollably.)
But not inside posts.
That is absolutely crossing the line.
It messes up the post and makes the entire site look rather tacky.

AND IT'S NOT EVEN AS IF THEY CAN GET THE DAMN CODING RIGHT, I MEAN LOOK AT THIS:

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo10/xresNTAP/Picture9-1.png?t=1235494947

Wow, way to go and break every single OP (and top of each page post) that someone has attempted to format so it looks great.

Bad, bad move, for crappy, intrusive advertising. We no like-a the ads presence, we no click-a them.

Advertising beneath the first post or above the first post or beneath the last post in threads is fine. It's unobtrusive.

However, having adverts WITHIN the first post of a page or a thread is EXTREMELY obtrusive.

Jolt admins: Stop. Now.

And now this.

Whilst I actually support advertising on forums like this, I have to complain. These new ads do break up posts and make it difficult to read (thats without the poor programming). The previous ads were far less intrusive and there are other places that ads could easily be placed.

The new ones may be cheaper to make for companies that also advertise on tv (they only have to make one for both) thus meaning they may pay more. However, they could fairly easily be placed next to the quick reply box instead, being far less intrusive and possibly more likely to be clicked as people have finished reading the thread.

I really can't believe we are expected to put up with this.

All right. Rather than crying big crocodile tears, this is what is going to happen. If you hate the ads, you're going to follow my advice. I never see the ads (at least at home; school is something I can't control).

You will start by going and getting Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/).

Download and install it.

Once you've done that, go to TOOLS and open the ADDONS option. Once you have that open, go to search for addons and look for: NoScript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722) and Adblock Plus (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865).

Alternatively, if you're using Firefox, you can click those two above links to install those addons to your browser. The only thing I have to warn you about is that NoScript is updated very frequently, so be prepared to deal with pop-up messages telling you there is a new update. :D

Go on, try it. Let me know if this fixes your problem.

Using that stuff the ads aren't visible but the ADVERTISEMENT frame is still there breaking up the post, which is the main problem to begin with.

All right. Rather than crying big crocodile tears, this is what is going to happen. If you hate the ads, you're going to follow my advice. I never see the ads (at least at home; school is something I can't control).

You will start by going and getting Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/). .

The problem with that is that it only works for the more technically-minded or people inclined to download Firefox (I have both Firefox and IE).

Let's say that you're running a long-standing recurring NS RP for both experienced nations and newbies, and that this RP and some associated threads traditionally have a nicely-formatted OP.

Are the newbies all going to have Firefox or adblocker? No. So that OP is going to look different to different participants.

And how are we going to attract newbies if every time they read a thread there's an intrusive advert in the first post of every page.

We shouldn't have to ask NS participants, new or old, to download specific software - even free open source software - just so they can read the threads properly.

Using that stuff the ads aren't visible but the ADVERTISEMENT frame is still there breaking up the post, which is the main problem to begin with.

Actually, there is an option with Adblock Plus to block the frame as well. I had to add in the most recent banner on top (though it looks like the one in the first post may have to be added as well), and when I got rid of it, I also had to get rid of the frame, which I was able to do. NoScript will prevent any flash stuff from playing.

The problem with that is that it only works for the more technically-minded or people inclined to download Firefox (I have both Firefox and IE).

Let's say that you're running a long-standing recurring NS RP for both experienced nations and newbies, and that this RP and some associated threads traditionally have a nicely-formatted OP.

Are the newbies all going to have Firefox or adblocker? No. So that OP is going to look different to different participants.

And how are we going to attract newbies if every time they read a thread there's an intrusive advert in the first post of every page.

We shouldn't have to ask NS participants, new or old, to download specific software - even free open source software - just so they can read the threads properly.

I'm sorry if you find my solution inadequate. I'm offering a solution. If you don't like it, then that's your choice.

It seems to me that until they go away, there are limited options. I'm giving a solution I'm very familiar with. Jolt's solution is to slap up more banners. Mine at least provides a way for people to use the site. It's not the best, but it gets the job done. It's certainly better than just complaining and otherwise doing nothing because those ads will remain up.

We shouldn't have to ask NS participants, new or old, to download specific software - even free open source software - just so they can read the threads properly.

Key phrase quoted for truth.

It shouldn't be OUR job to actively block these adverts. Jolt should be setting up the fora to keep them in unobtrusive locations.

Count me among the downright irritated by these adverts.

Key phrase quoted for truth.

It shouldn't be OUR job to actively block these adverts. Jolt should be setting up the fora to keep them in unobtrusive locations.

Count me among the downright irritated by these adverts.

All I see here is complaining. I'm offering people a way to get around it so long as Jolt persists in their desire to bombard us with intrusive ads. Now, if there was absolutely no way to prevent it, yes, I could see the point in whining, but not when someone is trying to give you a solution.

All I see here is complaining. I'm offering people a way to get around it so long as Jolt persists in their desire to bombard us with intrusive ads. Now, if there was absolutely no way to prevent it, yes, I could see the point in whining, but not when someone is trying to give you a solution.

I respectfully disagree that the onus should be on us to do something about it, for the reasons already stated.

And I also respectfully disagree with the implicit suggestion that we should just lump it because the ads aren't going anywhere.

We have the right to protest - within the limits set by the rules of the NS forum - and a lot of us are damn well protesting. Keeping quiet and lumping it guarantees that the ads won't go away.

I respectfully disagree that the onus should be on us to do something about it, for the reasons already stated.

And I also respectfully disagree with the implicit suggestion that we should just lump it because the ads aren't going anywhere.

We have the right to protest - within the limits set by the rules of the NS forum - and a lot of us are damn well protesting. Keeping quiet and lumping it guarantees that the ads won't go away.

I'm not saying not to protest; I'm saying that instead of just whining about it, you can relieve your current situation by doing something about it. By blocking ads, you can send a strong message to the company. They are getting fewer views, thus the ads are less profitable.

By blocking the ads, the ads don't get views and lose potential clicks, thus becoming unprofitable. You have to understand that by allowing the ads through and complaining, they realise you are seeing the ads and won't relent. They know you hate the ads, but by not blocking the ads, you are indeed being complacent.

Now, I stand by the original statement that it is a solution. It stops Jolt from bombarding us.

Kry - thank you for the offer of a solution, but I am pretty much limited to IE ( yes I know how Cr**py it is but...)

I know this is a pretty thankless thread, and you can add me to those who are upset over this action by Jolt.

I'm not saying not to protest; I'm saying that instead of just whining about it, you can relieve your current situation by doing something about it. By blocking ads, you can send a strong message to the company. They are getting fewer views, thus the ads are less profitable.

By blocking the ads, the ads don't get views and lose potential clicks, thus becoming unprofitable. You have to understand that by allowing the ads through and complaining, they realise you are seeing the ads and won't relent. They know you hate the ads, but by not blocking the ads, you are indeed being complacent.

Now, I stand by the original statement that it is a solution. It stops Jolt from bombarding us.


I appreciate that you're trying your best to offer a constructive solution, but the issue to me isn't what I'm prepared to do - I'm perfectly happy to find a way to block ads on my home computer and to format Firefox at work to block them there too - but rather the impact on the broader game, particularly as regards interaction with and attraction of new participants and attempts to format the first post in RP threads. Again, I appreciate that you're trying to offer a constructive solution, and I'm grateful for all the hard work that the mods put in on our behalf, but it's a solution that I regrettably believe to be of limited utility across the game as a whole.

We simply can't expect everyone to read this thread, or the related thread in NSG, or work out how to block ads for themselves, and I have serious concerns that this is going to have long-term consequences for NS, particularly as regards our ability to attract new participants at a time when the overall number of nations is already in slow - but consistent - decline.

I suppose we'll just have to start opening new threads with 'trailers' for the real "opening" posts, to soak-up (as it were) the adverts...

I suppose we'll just have to start opening new threads with 'trailers' for the real "opening" posts, to soak-up (as it were) the adverts...
No, I think not.

Kry - thank you for the offer of a solution, but I am pretty much limited to IE ( yes I know how Cr**py it is but...)

I know this is a pretty thankless thread, and you can add me to those who are upset over this action by Jolt.

Download IE7Pro plug-in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IE7pro
I installed it today in response to the new in post adverts. Seems to work pretty well.

Seriously guys, calm down. If Jolt doesn't place advertisements right in front of my face on every inch of the screen, how else will I know where to go to get free dating advice?

Download IE7Pro plug-in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IE7pro
I installed it today in response to the new in post adverts. Seems to work pretty well.

Though don't forget that the adblocker in IE7pro isn't automatically turned on. Users will have to right-click on the icon in the bottom right hand corner and manually turn on the adblocker in 'preferences'.

It comes every 15 posts apparently, no matter what your page setting is set to

EDIT: Actually, I have three "Advertisement" boxes, but only the first post actually has an advert in it
Which is even more annoying

:hail: :hail: Rambhutan :hail: :hail:

Thank you ever so much!

Alternatively, if you're using Firefox, you can click those two above links to install those addons to your browser. The only thing I have to warn you about is that NoScript is updated very frequently, so be prepared to deal with pop-up messages telling you there is a new update. :D

Go on, try it. Let me know if this fixes your problem.

Thanks! This has gotten rid of the ads and life is a little more streamlined now. Thanks Kryozerkia! :)

Thanks! This has gotten rid of the ads and life is a little more streamlined now. Thanks Kryozerkia! :)

You're welcome. Enjoy it in good health. :)

It comes every 15 posts apparently, no matter what your page setting is set to

EDIT: Actually, I have three "Advertisement" boxes, but only the first post actually has an advert in it
Which is even more annoying
I am slightly amused that Jolt assumes everyone has their threads set to 15 posts per page. Completely annoyed that they've switched from the banner ad format to within the post though. Why not just a banner ad every 15 posts if they assume we're set that way...

EDIT:
I posted a thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=584726)over in the feedback section since this is on all of the Jolt forums, not just our little subsection. I guess the others aren't used as much though since noone's said anything.

I'm curious about something. I use Mozilla's Ad-block so I don't see these stupid ads, but... if someone clicks on ad within my post, do I have a legal right to get that proceed from the click since they benefitted from my post?

Also, moderators, I would expect to be running into double posts. Quite frankly, if I ever have a post in the top of a thread, I am going to double post, and change my first post of page post to one word, because if a product I do not endorse is being used within a post of mine or if I am not going to get the potential revenue from a click that may occur inside my post, then this what I am going to do.

You see, this is a matter of principle. And I do seriously wonder about the legality.

You see, this is a matter of principle. And I do seriously wonder about the legality.

I'm trying to figure out what principle and legal basis you claim for somebody trying to recoup costs on a free service. You don't pay for this. Per the Jolt TOS, they have the right to do whatever they want with the content of the site.

Stand on your soapbox and shout at the wind if you like, but you appear to be missing the concept that Jolt doesn't read this forum, and NS staff have nothing to do with this decision. Seriously, if you want to complain, complain in Jolt Technical (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=584726). It's been my experience that Jolt Admins don't read that either, but at least it's the appropriate location.

Stand on your soapbox and shout at the wind if you like, but you appear to be missing the concept that Jolt doesn't read this forum, and NS staff have nothing to do with this decision. Seriously, if you want to complain, complain in Jolt Technical (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=584726). It's been my experience that Jolt Admins don't read that either, but at least it's the appropriate location.

Yes they do, within minutes of my post on NSG, both Lydias and adams901 were online and reading it,

They haven't bothered to respond, at all, as much as I fully accept that they're under no obligation to respond, are free to do what they like with the site, the fact that people, even me, who supports good advertising, have uploaded adblock means the entire exercise is self-defeating.

I can't check now but is quoted text still running through the in-post ads, I mean it's just crap.

Yes they do, within minutes of my post on NSG, both Lydias and adams901 were online and reading it,

They haven't bothered to respond, at all, as much as I fully accept that they're under no obligation to respond, are free to do what they like with the site, the fact that people, even me, who supports good advertising, have uploaded adblock means the entire exercise is self-defeating.

I can't check now but is quoted text still running through the in-post ads, I mean it's just crap.
Yes, it is.

And I agree with Arch Regimancy that it is not the users' job to configure our computers to adjust for OMAC's desire to be pains in our asses. The fact remains they are doing their marketing wrong. The ads are badly programmed as well as badly placed. They interfere with ease of use of the service. This is How to Fail in Business 101 -- Make It Hard or Unpleasant to Use Your Product/Service. I have clicked on ads in this forum once or twice, but I can guarantee OMAC that I never will again, with or without Adblock. I would much rather click on ads on a forum that does not annoy me so much.

I can't check now but is quoted text still running through the in-post ads, I mean it's just crap.

Does it help at all that I (and many of the other mods) agree with you entirely?

I will also point out that neither Lydias nor adams901 are part of the finance team for Jolt either. The best they can do is raise the point that the natives are restless, and hope the money guys listen. It's possible that adams901 is involved with the ad code, but I suspect it's been thrust on him as well.

Despite all the bitching about how things were, I do have a bit of sympathy for Jolt. They're stuck hosting a large and complex service business, and their business model and income stream are in the toilet. They have to keep trying stuff in hopes of making some bucks (or pounds, as the case may be), and it's harder in this economy than just months earlier.

In any event, I won't be buying Jolt/OMAC stock anytime soon.

Does it help at all that I (and many of the other mods) agree with you entirely?

I will also point out that neither Lydias nor adams901 are part of the finance team for Jolt either. The best they can do is raise the point that the natives are restless, and hope the money guys listen. It's possible that adams901 is involved with the ad code, but I suspect it's been thrust on him as well.

Despite all the bitching about how things were, I do have a bit of sympathy for Jolt. They're stuck hosting a large and complex service business, and their business model and income stream are in the toilet. They have to keep trying stuff in hopes of making some bucks (or pounds, as the case may be), and it's harder in this economy than just months earlier.

In any event, I won't be buying Jolt/OMAC stock anytime soon.

Agreement don't feed ma family :)

So why wouldn't they ask us? We have a vested interest in helping them and as much as many of us can be flippant, downright hostile etc., it doesn't hurt to ask a wide pool of people actively interested in making the experience work on both sides.

Some of us are experts in this area, we might have valuable tips and ideas that can be utilised to increase profit, sharing of best practices, links to examples.

We're not all anarchic, anti-capitalist hoodlums, it just seems a waste not to take advantage of such resources.

People will go to extraordinary lengths to help but, if nothing else, and as much as there's bugger all we can really do, it would simply be good for community relations.

As it is, we've installed adblock, how does that help their revenue?

EDIT: Understand you're probably asking the same questions, understand you can't really provide answers, just, I mean, the fact that there's dialogue shows there's something to be gained by asking.

I'm trying to figure out what principle and legal basis you claim for somebody trying to recoup costs on a free service. You don't pay for this. Per the Jolt TOS, they have the right to do whatever they want with the content of the site.




I said I was wondering about it... not that I had any actual basis. Websites have been called out on their TOS before. See facebook just a couple weeks ago. Is this an actual fight I am going to fight out? Absolutely not, so instead of saying why I don't agree with the you don't pay for this argument, I'm just not going to worry about it and get back to the normal stuff I do here. ;)

This is How to Fail in Business 101 -- Make It Hard or Unpleasant to Use Your Product/Service.

QTF...and pretty much the first thing I was taught when I took an e-business course. Now one class hardly makes me an expert, but hell, if I know it, why don't the people in charge?

As it is, I used to click on an ad once in a while.

No longer.

So there goes the purpose...

EDIT: Coincidentally, I'm guessing many people will ignore posts with ads in them altogether...

...and had to "Go Advanced" rather than quick-edit this post, due to the freaking ad blocking the text I wanted to edit. >_<

Jolt gives us a free forum, but it has a few integration problems with the game, quite intrusive ads, and a few other little niggles. I'm looking at hosting our own NS forum independently again, but this will take time.

;14551293']Jolt gives us a free forum, but it has a few integration problems with the game, quite intrusive ads, and a few other little niggles. I'm looking at hosting our own NS forum independently again, but this will take time.
Interesting. Good luck with whatever you can find, and I know I will be happy to ride along.

Ooh, ooh, can we have timewarps back, please, can we, please?

I miss timewarps

:(

;14551293']Jolt gives us a free forum, but it has a few integration problems with the game, quite intrusive ads, and a few other little niggles. I'm looking at hosting our own NS forum independently again, but this will take time.Back to the old server?:tongue:

Back to the old server?:tongue:

I have such fond memories of the old server. You know, massive timewarps, twenty minutes to load a page, having half of your posts never go through. Good times. :p

I have such fond memories of the old server. You know, massive timewarps, twenty minutes to load a page, having half of your posts never go through. Good times. :p
Considering that anytime I try to edit a post that is affected by an in-post ad, my browser shuts down, I really wouldn't see that as a downgrade. The wait time for page loads at least let me get snacks and make bathroom runs.

I have such fond memories of the old server. You know, massive timewarps, twenty minutes to load a page, having half of your posts never go through. Good times. :p

Having to be lucky just to get the pages to load.

;14551293']Jolt gives us a free forum, but it has a few integration problems with the game, quite intrusive ads, and a few other little niggles. I'm looking at hosting our own NS forum independently again, but this will take time.
Would starting a paypal account where annoyed people can put their money where their mouth is help? I mean even if we all gave $1us.....seriously.

*pledges $30*

Would starting a paypal account where annoyed people can put their money where their mouth is help? I mean even if we all gave $1us.....seriously.

*pledges $30*

I was already thinking that I'd be happy to help pay a bit towards running costs if/when NS goes off to it's own servers again.

If you can work something like this out, sign me up as well.

Count me in on the willing to put money were my posting is.

I'de gladly pay something each month to have our forums elsewhere.

And I know some hosting companies who handle forums larger than even here without trouble.

Thanks for the support! As mentioned, this isn't going to happen in the short term, but I'll explore some options.

Considering that anytime I try to edit a post that is affected by an in-post ad, my browser shuts down, I really wouldn't see that as a downgrade. The wait time for page loads at least let me get snacks and make bathroom runs.
You mean you don't have wireless access and a cube fridge in your bathroom yet? ;)
Yes, I'm kidding. Ew, that's gross....

You mean you don't have wireless access and a cube fridge in your bathroom yet?

Bathroom...Why didn't I think of that? That sooo beats bottles.
Stupid Howard Hughes.;)

Count me in as someone willing to contribute, it would be nice if this wasn't the solution but there you go, if nothing else, the lack of response is telling.

In return it would be nice to place a little star next to those who contribute and I'd be willing to up my contribution if I was also given the power to boot one person a year for a time of, say, 3 days. That means that when I'm being thoroughly trounced in a debate I could go 'hah, take a 3 day rest for I am paying for your opportunity to humiliate me and it does displease me, phear my petty abuse of powah!'.

That would be great thanks,

*not a gravedig*

Just to keep everyone from forgetting about this... JoltOMAC has still not responded in any meaningful way about the advertising change. Perhaps emailings are in order so questions are answered? We all don't like it, and I'm afraid OMAC is hoping everyone will get used to it. If people keep asking, they have to respond in some way- even if it's just a "we're poor, we own it, so suck it."

Well, I'm not getting used to it, because they keep changing the ads.

Every time I see a new ad I think "Oooh! Pic-spam!" and go to delete it from the post (with appropriate modly abuse).

Then I realise I can't, because it looks like pic-spam, it acts like pic-spam, but it officially isn't pic-spam.

Cue modly abuse ...

Cue modly abuse ...

If they're going to be stuck there, can the powers that be at least code the damn things correctly so they don't break quote boxes in posts and in sigs?

And don't stay on screen when/if you quick-edit either an OP or N+1 post.

Talk about badly implemented...


Boy, that's irritating. More irritating. Just plain annoying in fact. Bad advertising, naughty advertising, un-clicked on advertising.

;14551293']Jolt gives us a free forum, but it has a few integration problems with the game, quite intrusive ads, and a few other little niggles. I'm looking at hosting our own NS forum independently again, but this will take time.

Cool. I'm willing to a bit of cash towards extracting us from OMAC's clutches....

*not a gravedig*

Just to keep everyone from forgetting about this... JoltOMAC has still not responded in any meaningful way about the advertising change. Perhaps emailings are in order so questions are answered? We all don't like it, and I'm afraid OMAC is hoping everyone will get used to it. If people keep asking, they have to respond in some way- even if it's just a "we're poor, we own it, so suck it."

In addition, you can spread the word about OMAC online. Respond to things like this: http://games.bbgsite.com/content/2009-03-15/20090315141518699,1.shtml

Drop them a line about the situation. Enougfh people do that and OMAC will start to feel the response....

I'd like to believe that they would eventually at least block the cybernation ads i see occasionally on jolt...

Yeah... the "CyberNations, a free nation simulation game" ads on these NS1 & NS2 forums doesn't make much sense. OMAC owns NS2, so why are they promoting their competitor through ads on the NS2 forums?