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Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but for the life of me I can not find another topic talking about this in here or any other likely forum.

It is quite obvious that there simply is not the interest in WA proposals that there was before. No matter how decent a proposal is, there are only ever about 50 delegates approving them in any one week. To fight this there have been several (illegal) proposals trying to create ways to make this easier (the people writing these have conveniently ignored the fact the reason they have to make changes is because they can't get enough approvals, therefore negating their own argument.)

Surely now is the time for at the very least a discussion on the game mechanics. ?

This event, and this argument, surface every summer and every time there is a gap of more than a week between proposals. I used to have an analysis of UN resolution passage dates which showed a remarkable consistency from quarter to quarter from 2003 to 2007. Maybe somebody can turn that up in an old thread.

The simple fact is that lots of our players are doing other fun things, and don't have time for this game. It takes a lot of effort to pass a WA resolution, usually involving telegramming lots of delegates. For the serious WA player, regional teams of advocates often get together to push their proposal towards a vote. I'm not seeing those organizations right now.

This isn't a game mechanics issue, it's a player participation issue. I don't think weakening the approval process on the basis of a temporary demographic blip is justification for the changes you seek.

I have tried to get many WA proposals in, but it's difficult.

how many delegates did you telegram asking them for their support?

Cookiton, check out the WA forum. There's plenty of advice on how to get your proposal looked at by the wider community.

The only other time there's been a month-long gap was in 2002: between UN Resolution #1 and #2.

May-July 2003, 15 proposals made quorum*
May-July 2004, 14
May-July 2005, 15
May-July 2006, 22
May-July 2007, 17
May-July 23rd, 2008, 10

So below the average. But don't worry, every single complaint of this kind will disappear once "Freedom of Speech" hits quorum tomorrow.

*(there's a small margin of error, because sometimes several proposals hit quorum at the same time creating a backlog)

I have tried to get many WA proposals in, but it's difficult.

I've had two voted in. Well, one, actually, since the WA proposal was plagiarized heavily from the UN proposal.

On the first one, I tried twice on my own. On the third time I got a crew of North Pacificans to help with the TG campaign. We probably sent out 400-500 TGs over 2 days to get ~130 Approvals.

The second was easier, as people were already familiar with it, and I had extra lead time based on the extended voting period for WA Res #1. I got help from Antarctic Oasis, and again we probably did 300-400 telegrams for the 104 or so approvals.

The only time I've ever seen proposals make quorum without a TG campaign was when they got pulled in parasitically via another campaign. (The original UN Rights and Duties was parasitically responsible for 2 other passed resolutions - the one immediately before it and the one immediately after it. Both were pretty bad, and one was actually removed when we moved to Jolt.)

This is a political game. You have to campaign for change. It doesn't matter who you get to help, only that you get help. Try your regionmates first.