NationStates Jolt Archive

Greetings fellow members of the United Nations,

I have a suggestion about the way repealing resolutions works (maybe it could be implemented in NS2 if my idea is changing the game too much - if you find it a good idea).

The basic idea is this:

Repealing a resolution has some unexpected effects for the nations that are born between the voting of the original resolution and the repeal.

Let's say this happends, in this order:
1)Nation A is founded (and joins the UN)
2)Resolution R is voted
3)Nation B is founded (and joins the UN)
4)R is repealed

For the nation A it's as the resolution has never existed. (Let's say A had 100p of something... the resolution added 10p -> A has 110p; then the repeal came and made A have 100p once again).

But B will be affected: (if he had 100p he ends up with 90p).

This p's (eg 100p, 90p) are just a way to evaluate the nation state.

Some solutions:
1)When you join the UN you will be affected by all the resolutions that are actual, and when you quit UN you are effected in the opposite direction by all the resolutions that are actual. The repeal system with this solution would stay as it is.
or
2)A Repeal affect only the UN nations that were in the UN when the resolution that is being repealed was voted.

The motivation for this post was that I've seen that the last two repeals have affected my Civil rights and my Political rights, but I was never affected positively by the resolutions that have been repealed.

Please post your view on this (if you think that the system needs some changes you can say what solution you would support).

If we find a mechanism that the majority likes and that is a little different then the current one but it can't be implemented in NS we could propose it for NS2 (I am sure that there will be resolutions in there too).

happy readings,
Romaniaa IV

Hmm... I had thought that the mods had found a way around this (as it is very close to Enodia's argument against repeals ever being introduced). Are you certain that the drops haven't been related to how you've answered Daily Issues?

No, I'm sure he's right about the mechanism. I took my puppet into the UN just before the repeal, answered a pro-CR issue, and got whacked down one. I'm pretty sure the problem is they haven't found a way round it. Also, what about Gruenberg, which has left and rejoined the UN? I don't think the system keeps that detailed a record.

Well, first off, your premise is partly false: repeals don't have a 100% reverse effect; just a 50% reverse effect. So, if you're at "100" human rights (or however you want to quantify it), once a human rights proposal with a +10% effect is passed, you get 110. Once it's repealed, if you were in the UN at the time, you go back to 105; if you weren't, you go back to 95. I really don't see why a tiny 5% reduction is so worrisome. The UN has an effect on your nation's stats; you knew that when you joined, so the concern over what your stats do in accordance with Compliance Ministry decrees is somewhat unfounded. If you don't want your stats to go loopy, don't join the UN.

I don't know how it works for resigning from the United Nations; I always just assumed your stats stayed as they were when you quit, until daily issues effects either strengthen or cancel them out. Some have said it works different; that your stats do change, but I have resigned from the UN twice, and saw precious little difference.

At any rate, and correct me if I'm wrong, it would be virtually impossible to program the game so that the instant you join the UN, the varying effects of 144 resolutions are automatically apparent in your stats, and the instant you resign, they all change back.

And as to the "fairness" issue over repeals changing your stats even though you weren't in the UN when the reversed resolution was passed, I just don't care. No offense.

Thanks for the answers the 3 of you. :)
(the "the varying effects of 144 resolutions" could be applied this way: whenever a resolution is passed or repealed there is calculated a summing effect of all resolutions and this one is applied to nations joining the UN)

It's interesting that repeals have only half the strength. Anyway it's a good system - I wanted to see how others see this thing. I guess that it could be justified to be affected by the reapel even if you haven't been in the UN when the resolution was voted: you go with the wave.

What I think:
One of the main reasons that the e-mail is sent is when you click the link, all resoultions become law. Stats changes are brought in gradually. When you leave the UN, the laws don't apply, but the stats change gradually.


NOTE: Probably wrong.

NOTE: Probably wrong.
Entirely wrong. Only resolutions that are passed or repealed while you are a member of the UN have any effect on your nation. While there is a role-play imperative that you observe all UN law upon joining, there is no in-game mechanism to enforce this.

Entirely wrong. Only resolutions that are passed or repealed while you are a member of the UN have any effect on your nation. While there is a role-play imperative that you observe all UN law upon joining, there is no in-game mechanism to enforce this.

Thanks. I thought I heard it, but I wanted to check if it was RP. Thanks again.