NationStates Jolt Archive

For most of today, I have been completely unable to access any of the Jolt Forums, even through the Jolt site. Just been getting this message.
Enn, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

Just checking that this is on Jolt's side, not anything I've done. A lot of other people (on another board) have said they've been getting similar messages today.

From what I've heard and experienced, I believe it was a system-wide lockout. Why, I don't know. A glitch perhaps?

Everyone I've talked to has had the same thing. It would appear that the circulation is slowly filtering back, now.

Also (not to pile on, or anything) but the vBulletin thing is still happening to me - usually around 11pm each night I can't get access any more until - well now.

I thought I'd been IP locked for some reason. Even asked on the getting help page. Feel daft now. Glad it's fixed, anyway! Until the next time...

yeah, I thought so too. I mailed the jolt admin about it, asking if it was a system-wide problem. they didn't mail back, anyways.

Wow Been hear 3 days and I have only been able to use the forum for 4 hours...

Doh! I hadn't been able to access the forum for the last twelve hourse or so...I sent admin an e-mail asking if I had been forumbanned about six hours ago because of the nature of this latest error message.

Well apparently it wasn't a NS screwup because I don't know what on earth I would have done to get forumbanned. Sorry admins!:D

Jolts didn´t mail me back, too...seems their somewhat busy hauling burnt-down servers :p

Heh, I feel obliged to say sorry to the admins... they must have received quite a few messages during this incident.

Wow Been hear 3 days and I have only been able to use the forum for 4 hours...

Welcome to Jolt Forums! You might be surprised to hear that the last forums NationStates used were even worse!

ya I looked thrue the old news, man this site is good a riping apart Servers eh?

btw, where have all the other threads gone? Is it gravedigging if they return?

btw, where have all the other threads gone? Is it gravedigging if they return?

I would have thought the mods would be understanding in this respect.

Welcome to Jolt Forums! You might be surprised to hear that the last forums NationStates used were even worse!
I'm not really sure they were. Sure, there was the occassional quadruple post, and it sometimes didn't let you post at all, but it didn't just collapse like Jolt is increasingly prone to.

I'm not really sure they were. Sure, there was the occassional quadruple post, and it sometimes didn't let you post at all, but it didn't just collapse like Jolt is increasingly prone to.

It's definitely getting worse, I'll agree. It's not quite there yet though. The old NS forums main problems weren't quite as serious, but they were infinitely more frequent and irritating. At least when Jolt does break, you know there's no point waiting around. On the old forums you often found yourself spending half an hour just waiting for a window to submit your post...

Besides, the problem with Jolt at the moment is that they've recently performed an upgrade to their version of vBulletin. Another forum I visit has also done this, and they too are suffering some problems. Hopefully when they've cleared it up a bit we'll have fewer problems than before.

I'm not really sure they were. Sure, there was the occassional quadruple post, and it sometimes didn't let you post at all, but it didn't just collapse like Jolt is increasingly prone to.Oh, yeah, because two days of problems after a major upgrade are so much worse than months on end where you could only access the forums about 2 hours a day.

btw, where have all the other threads gone? Is it gravedigging if they return?
If you don't see older threads, go into your Profile / Edit Options / Thread Display Options and set it to "Show all threads".

No, of course we're not going to slam people for digging up threads that are a day or two old when even *we* couldn't get here.

Oh, yeah, because two days of problems after a major upgrade are so much worse than months on end where you could only access the forums about 2 hours a day.
I'm talking how, months on end, 'there seems to be a slight problem with the database'. I'm talking about how the forums seem to mysteriously disappear every now and then. How, even months after NS moved to Jolt, there are still problems getting messages across - at Jolt's end, the professional one.

The last few days have simply been the final straw. I was under the impression that the forums moved here to improve the service. That didn't happen.

At the risk of getting another heavy-handed response, I've been having a bitch of a time getting on of late. It's either the 'VB' problem, or yesterday I kept getting a message about not having the privileges to post (or presumably browse the forums) - I suddenly was wondering if I'd been forumbanned or something.

Good to see I'm not.

Happy Friday, everyone!

I too wondered if I'd finally received a forumban, but when I logged in with my puppets and got the same message, I knew it was a Jolt problem, unless someone logged in as my nation and spammed the forums with... certain unmentionable things...which I believe I would have known about if they happened.

Good to see things are up and running again. Wasn't the upgrade supposed to fix these kinds of things? :p

I'm not really sure they were. Sure, there was the occassional quadruple post, and it sometimes didn't let you post at all, but it didn't just collapse like Jolt is increasingly prone to.

They collapsed nightly and daily. These forums are infinitely better. These problems now are just a result of that update that's it.

yep, i am now totally convinced that the Jolt server is infact a Toaster.

Yes...its getting very bad now.
A nationstates moderator has the following to pass along-

"We don't know what's up with the forums either. Some of you are showing up as banned, some show missing permissions, some are getting a vBulletin error page, and there may be other issues. We've done everything we can do on this, but ultimately it's a Jolt problem. Be patient. Thanks."

Ugh, Jolt is going absolutely coo-coo
First the cache error this week, and then the permissions problem that just stopped for me. This is really annoying me now

yep, i am now totally convinced that the Jolt server is infact a Toaster.
A hot water bottle, I say.

Whadda ya know. I can see the forums finally. It's pretty annoying when the people who can supposed fix problems can't get in themselves.

Patience. Jolt admins are hearing from us on a regular basis.

its amasing really, the old Forums died cos well there were to meny NS Rpers and it couldnt handle it (it was murder from about 6pm-2am GMT) and now the jolt Servers are dieing......is it us are we jinxed?


I do tho hope that this problem is sorted soon, it starting to bug me.

I suppose all we can do is be patient, they will fix it as soon as they can

*stands back swinging baseball bat, looking intimidating*

Patience. Jolt admins are hearing from us on a regular basis.
I would think by now, they're getting tired of hearing from you guys.:D

all we need is someone to hold a placard reading

"Give us back our Max-forum"

I've been able to access every time I've tried???

A hot water bottle, I say.

well i'm pwned

Patience. Jolt admins are hearing from us on a regular basis.

With heaps of profanity, I hope. :p

I think it's ironic that when the forums were last blocking people out, the last thread with activity according to the 'Recent Threads' section on NS was... this one!

The collapse seems to have ended for now. Thanks to the people who fixed it. :)

The collapse seems to have ended for now. Thanks to the people who fixed it. :)

That's what I thought around 4 am this morning...then it crashed again.

Don't worry, next crash is acomin':rolleyes:

all we need is someone to hold a placard reading

"Give us back our Max-forum"Thank you, no.

Right before the move, the old forums were a crap heap. I had access for about two hours a day, and even during those two hours (0800-1000 GMT), I could expect to time out about every third page-load.

Yes, there's problems here directly related to kinks from upgrading, but they're nothing compared to the old forums. Which had no profiles, no signatures, and no search function. Yeah, remember that? You couldn't search, it was disabled.

Oh, and let's not forget those lovely purges...

Oh, and let's not forget those lovely purges...

Not the purge! :headbang: Aaaaaaaaagh!!!! *collapses*

Thank you, no.

Right before the move, the old forums were a crap heap. I had access for about two hours a day, and even during those two hours (0800-1000 GMT), I could expect to time out about every third page-load.

Yes, there's problems here directly related to kinks from upgrading, but they're nothing compared to the old forums. Which had no profiles, no signatures, and no search function. Yeah, remember that? You couldn't search, it was disabled.

Oh, and let's not forget those lovely purges...

Don't remind me Hack. I'd take Jolt and these problems over the old forums any day of the week...

*feels confused cos he has no idea what people are talking about*

what purges? What old Forums? There were forums before Jolt?

*feels confused cos he has no idea what people are talking about*

what purges? What old Forums? There were forums before Jolt?

Before Jolt agreed to host NationStates (I guess the 1,300,000 nations served thingy made their advert providers drool) NationStates used its own servers, and had its own (CGI based, I think they were) forums. I can't remember exactly when the change was, but it wasn't all that long ago -- early this year, maybe? (EDIT: July/August 2004, eh? Time flies...)

Anyway, using the old forums was like living in cyber-hell.

Every day you could be guaranteed that everything was slow -- and I mean that in the extreme sense. And that was if you could ever access them at all. Sometimes your posts would mysteriously disappear, sometimes they would mysteriously multiply, and whichever it was you'd have to wait three hours to try. Jolt's current problems are nothing compared to what the forums used to be like. At least for the most part, Jolt is usable. Even when you could actually view the old forums, using them was another matter entirely.

That, and I generally prefer the vBulletin forum system.

Of course, one thing breaks and perspective is lost. I shouldn't be surprised, I've experienced it in real life too. My old car tried to kill me on several occasions due to a fault with its temperature sensors causing the engine to rev uncontrollably. Now that I have a brand-new car, I get just as angry about a couple of minor rattles. Really, I should be glad that rattles are all it has, but when you live in the moment your current problems always seem worse than the ones you've already got rid of.

There were forums before Jolt?
History of the Game (http://www.nationstates.net/HISTORY) (not a lot about the old forums) prior to moving both game and forums to Jolt in July/August of 2004.

History of the Game (http://www.nationstates.net/HISTORY) (not a lot about the old forums) prior to moving both game and forums to Jolt in July/August of 2004.

Summary of the old forums: Poop, unreliable, unstable, frustrating, problematic, vengeful, and evil. Think of Satan in PHP form and you have it.

had its own (CGI based, I think they were) forums.phpBB. Bent over the table and twisted well beyond sanity to force proper game/forum integration.

I've been unable to get on. Was afraid I'd been forumbanned.

I've been unable to get on. Was afraid I'd been forumbanned.

That was exactly the first thing that crossed my mind when it happened.

History of the Game (http://www.nationstates.net/HISTORY) (not a lot about the old forums) prior to moving both game and forums to Jolt in July/August of 2004.

That's Excellent :)
Anything Since 28-Jun-04 ??

Hmm. Aside from Repeals, I think they only changes have been behind-the-scenes, mainly dealing with GM powers.

So many people with guilty consciences.....

"Ack! I'm forumbanned!"

;)

So many people with guilty consciences.....

"Ack! I'm forumbanned!"

;)

I authorized that because I didn't get an avatar...Yes I know I am not a mod but Hack is uber-cool so yeah ...

:gundge:

Thank you, no.

Right before the move, the old forums were a crap heap. I had access for about two hours a day, and even during those two hours (0800-1000 GMT), I could expect to time out about every third page-load.

Yes, there's problems here directly related to kinks from upgrading, but they're nothing compared to the old forums. Which had no profiles, no signatures, and no search function. Yeah, remember that? You couldn't search, it was disabled.

Oh, and let's not forget those lovely purges...
Don't forget the infamous double posts, triple posts, quadruple posts, quintuple posts, and I think I even saw a sextuple post once.

The dreaded purges....

So much NS history is forever lost because of the old forums and their unholy crappiness.

Oh, and thanks to Murphy's Law... if (when) you multi-posted... someone would post RIGHT after you, and call you on it. "Haha, triple posting!"

When you tried to fix it, the forums would crash.

I spent many a night pounding F5 hoping, praying, that my 3 hour post didn't fall into cyber-limbo.

So, no, I don't mind Jolt. I like Jolt. Jolt is good to me.

Don't forget the infamous double posts, triple posts, quadruple posts, quintuple posts, and I think I even saw a sextuple post once.

I had nine once. RIP to the old server.

Aye, for all of you yong folks, this is nothing. At least here it's a solid "You can't get onto the forums" back then... you might get onto the forums, to th "reply to topic" page then spend an evening reloading and clicking submit. Oh yes, and once it went through and confirmed, you'd find you had N+1 posts. And let us not forget that it wasn't just the forums, oh no. You were even lucky to load the main page.

Those were the old days. This is... minor. You youn'uns have it easy. Heh. I've always wanted to say that.

So many people with guilty consciences.....

"Ack! I'm forumbanned!"

;)
No, it might have something to do with mod opp... *two mods sneak in, clamp their hands over Czardas's mouth and drag him away*

Oh, and thanks to Murphy's Law... if (when) you multi-posted... someone would post RIGHT after you, and call you on it. "Haha, triple posting!"

When you tried to fix it, the forums would crash.

I spent many a night pounding F5 hoping, praying, that my 3 hour post didn't fall into cyber-limbo.

So, no, I don't mind Jolt. I like Jolt. Jolt is good to me.


That's why I finally went Firefox. Submit post failed? Hit back key and W00t! there it is.

NS should just switch to an invisionfree board and forget about it. At least than most of the problems were seeing here would we gone...

Well then we'd just cripple Invisionfree instead. Jolt was running OK before NS was moved here, or so I've been told.

Before Jolt agreed to host NationStates (I guess the 1,300,000 nations served thingy made their advert providers drool) NationStates used its own servers, and had its own (CGI based, I think they were) forums. I can't remember exactly when the change was, but it wasn't all that long ago -- early this year, maybe? (EDIT: July/August 2004, eh? Time flies...)

Anyway, using the old forums was like living in cyber-hell.

Every day you could be guaranteed that everything was slow -- and I mean that in the extreme sense. And that was if you could ever access them at all. Sometimes your posts would mysteriously disappear, sometimes they would mysteriously multiply, and whichever it was you'd have to wait three hours to try. Jolt's current problems are nothing compared to what the forums used to be like. At least for the most part, Jolt is usable. Even when you could actually view the old forums, using them was another matter entirely.

That, and I generally prefer the vBulletin forum system.

Of course, one thing breaks and perspective is lost. I shouldn't be surprised, I've experienced it in real life too. My old car tried to kill me on several occasions due to a fault with its temperature sensors causing the engine to rev uncontrollably. Now that I have a brand-new car, I get just as angry about a couple of minor rattles. Really, I should be glad that rattles are all it has, but when you live in the moment your current problems always seem worse than the ones you've already got rid of.

Your car did that uncontrollable accelerate thing, too? Our car does that sometimes. If a bunch of pedestrians are crossing at an intersection I'm stopped at, I just put it in park. It always seems to try to do it when an old grandma or somebody with a stroller is crossing, too.

Anyway, Jolt forums, despite the recent glitches, are lightyears ahead of the old forums.

The old forums caused me no end of frustration. The worst was when I would do a really long detailed RP post, and then it would disappear into oblivion.

I found that the old forums were only tolerable between 10:00 PM and 2:00 AM Pacific. And even then, it was like the old days of 56k. I was sure that the server was actually on chip in someone's electric razor.

Basically, old forums = septic tank of Hell.

I'm sure that the problems with jolt will be fixed soon enough.

NS should just switch to an invisionfree board and forget about it. At least than most of the problems were seeing here would we gone...Then we could have all the problems of being on an invision board. Thanks but no thanks.

I just noticed something when I was logging out at this sort of slow hour of the day/night. Looking at all the forums hosted by Jolt, I saw that all except three or four of them only had between 1 and 4 viewers. Others were at 6 and 13. NationStates was at 84 viewers, way above any other forum on the index.:eek:

This particular collapse is not our fault, but I bet slower load times and bandwidth waste increased exponentially when we moved here. I know, I should have known this before, but it just really hit me once I saw the disparate numbers of viewers...

I can only imagine what we would do to an Invisionfree server.:(

I remember the old forums. God, those sucked. Jolt is blazing fast and practically errorless in comparison. The bad part was not just the purges or the octuple posts (personal record). The problem was making the octuple post and then, when you went back to find it, it didn't exist. Anywhere. So you started to think that the thread had been deleted. Turns out, it had been "hiccuped" out of the server. So there were 3-4 hours of RP completely gone. And lord help you if you were RPing a war. You'd have to agree to start over from scratch again, or something...

At least we knew the administrators of the old forums....

At least we knew the administrators of the old forums....

Yes, but we didn't really know what we were doing.

Yes, but we didn't really know what we were doing.
And the Jolt ones do?:DCome on, you know someone had to say it.

Right before the move, the old forums were a crap heap. I had access for about two hours a day, and even during those two hours (0800-1000 GMT), I could expect to time out about every third page-load.The old forums really weren't very bad for me most of the time in late '03/early '04, especially just before the move to Jolt. I've always figured a lot of people took a break when they thought the move to Jolt was imminent, making the forums work better for those of us who didn't. :\
Which had no profiles, no signatures, and no search function. Yeah, remember that? You couldn't search, it was disabled.I remember we had profiles toward the very beginning, but one of the admins disabled them. We also used to have search...And I disable signatures because they're annoying. :p The old forums also looked a lot nicer IMO.

At least Max Barry hasn't decided to take the whole site down since that time in '02...

Maybe we should pool our money together, buy a couple of IBM e-servers, transfer NS and the forums to them and place them in SalusaSecondus' basement.

And the Jolt ones do?:DCome on, you know someone had to say it.

Yes they do.

The old forums really weren't very bad for me most of the time in late '03/early '04, especially just before the move to Jolt.You are, apparently, the only person this applies to. The forums were a nightmare right up until we took the game down.

Of course, after that, it was a dream. Amazing how fast things run when only 4 people are online!

I remember we had profiles toward the very beginning, but one of the admins disabled them. We also used to have search...Yes. [violet] killed both of those. Profiles about a month after the game went live, search much later. I remember when search was killed.

Over the last week or so, I’ve experienced a rather strange problem: I’m unable to subscribe to threads.

At first, this happened to a few threads. When I tried to subscribe via the “Thread Tools”, sometimes the menu would not activate.
But now, this is the case with all threads in the NS area of Jolt.

I’ve tried visiting other areas to see if it was just my computer that had a problem, but it’s not. In all the other areas of Jolt the “Thread Tools” works as it’s supposed to.

Am I the only one with this problem, or…?

No, you aren't. The pull downs are all screwed up.

You can still subscribe when replying, though, but that isn't always useful.

No, you're not -- I just noticed this too. As the forum skin reverts to the standard Jolt skin outside of NS forums, I can only assume it's a problem with the NationStates forum skin. Just activate automatic subscriptions from your profile/options page, and whichever threads you post on will automatically be subscribed to. Alternatively, see if you can force a different forum skin onto the NS forums. I've never tried that, so I don't know if it will work or not.

There was no "subscribing" on the old forums... you had to play tag.

Also, when search was disabled, that really sucked, because at the time, I didn't know any other way to find the threads I was RPing in.

Yeaa you had to manually search for them that was a pain in the days when it took threads an hour and a half to fall to page 4.

You can still subscribe when replying, though, but that isn't always useful.Is tagging threads so you can subscribe okay until this gets fixed?Also, when search was disabled, that really sucked, because at the time, I didn't know any other way to find the threads I was RPing in.Didn't we always have the egosearch? Maybe that was a hidden feature like profiles were for a while.Yeaa you had to manually search for them that was a pain in the days when it took threads an hour and a half to fall to page 4.Ha, I remember in early '03 (I think) when the forums were very bad (but still a lot better than in '02) and by the time you got a page to successfully load the thread listings would look completely different except for a few threads. :D

Is tagging threads so you can subscribe okay until this gets fixed?
No.

It might be ok to create a null post (be it *tag* or something else) just to force a subscription, then self-delete that post. This would add your subscription (which is independant of the deleted post), but still leaves a messy residue in the thread. Before you implement this solution, let me ask a few other mods and/or let them post to this thread. We'll hold off on making it official policy until then.

...don't people still go around tagging anyway? I often see tags posted here and there...

Some do still tag, personally I find tags rather annoying.