NationStates Jolt Archive


Improving the UN

Gabrones
17-07-2005, 18:12
I have been ejected from the UN :( and asked to stop sending questions to the moderators because I guess 2 telegrams are considered spamming. So here is my suggestion.



The United Nations is getting much tougher on people who break the "one player, one UN member nation" rule. If you have been ejected from the UN, warned, or deleted, this explains why.

Q: I didn't know it was against the rules to have multiple UN member nations.
A: It is mentioned in the FAQ (see: "United Nations"). Also, when you receive your invitation e-mail from the UN, it clearly spells out the penalties for breaching this rule. Not paying attention to this is not an excuse.

Q: I wasn't cheating! I only have one UN member nation. Your game got it wrong.
A: This is possible, but unlikely. The game uses four different methods to detect if the same person is operating multiple UN members. These methods include IP address tracking and login pattern detection. If your nation was deleted, the game gathered very strong evidence that it was being operated from the same location as other UN members on multiple occasions.

Q: My friends operate those other UN member nations. We all share the same computer.
A: I'm sorry if that's the case. There is no way for the game to tell how many people are on the other end of a computer. For this reason, breaches of UN rules involving only two members are usually punished with expulsion, not deletion.

However, please note this important point: we cannot take your word on how many people are really behind your computer. This is not because you are untrustworthy, it's simply that otherwise there is no way to enforce the UN rules.

Q: But that's not fair!
A: True, and again, I'm sorry if you and your friends have been punished unjustly. However, this is the closest we can come to fair. If we accepted people's explanations that they were using a public computer with their friends, we would have to let people create as many UN nations as they like. This would destroy the whole point of the UN.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and thus, fair or not, the rule must stand.


Now here is my suggestion. Whenever your computer finds that more than one IP address(same computer) has multiple accounts in the UN, check and see if they e-mails are similar, if the nations are similar, and if what they have posted in the forums are similar. You can also check the records of acitivity of the accounts because if it is truely more than one person on the same computer, they both may not be checked the same day. If it were one person, they would check each nation one right after the other just because they are on the same web page.

The computers can only take over a person's job so far, thats where people( the moderators) step in.
Euroslavia
17-07-2005, 19:08
Now here is my suggestion. Whenever your computer finds that more than one IP address(same computer) has multiple accounts in the UN, check and see if they e-mails are similar, if the nations are similar, and if what they have posted in the forums are similar. You can also check the records of acitivity of the accounts because if it is truely more than one person on the same computer, they both may not be checked the same day. If it were one person, they would check each nation one right after the other just because they are on the same web page.

The computers can only take over a person's job so far, thats where people( the moderators) step in.

It could be very easy to use this as a tactic to getting around the IP check. It's very easy to create two seperate e-mail addresses, and post with a different 'mentality', as many people have seen before (Jesussaves, anyone?). The person behind the possible 'two UN nations' could easily log in to both nations at different times as well. I for one don't check all of my nations at the same time. The moderators have multiple ways of checking to see if both nations are in fact one person, some of the ways aren't revealed to us for a reason.
SalusaSecondus
17-07-2005, 21:28
The computers can only take over a person's job so far, thats where people( the moderators) step in.

In all but approximately 2 cases (and yours was not one) every UN ejection is done by hand by a moderator. We are not at liberty to discuss what methods we use to detect multies.
Gabrones
18-07-2005, 20:22
It could be very easy to use this as a tactic to getting around the IP check. It's very easy to create two seperate e-mail addresses, and post with a different 'mentality', as many people have seen before (Jesussaves, anyone?). The person behind the possible 'two UN nations' could easily log in to both nations at different times as well. I for one don't check all of my nations at the same time. The moderators have multiple ways of checking to see if both nations are in fact one person, some of the ways aren't revealed to us for a reason.


Ya, but only the smart people do that at first as not to get caught. What if you had to use something like, uhhh, gosh darnit, I dunno. All I know is that my cousin was over my house one time, showed us the site, and we were hooked and now I'm ejected from the UN because of my sibblings.

If I can think of something that Jen Gov can use, something like people's SSN, that can clarify that they are who they say they are and only have that number for one nation, I will post again. :headbang:

I'll be back! :cool:
Euroslavia
18-07-2005, 20:36
Ya, but only the smart people do that at first as not to get caught. What if you had to use something like, uhhh, gosh darnit, I dunno. All I know is that my cousin was over my house one time, showed us the site, and we were hooked and now I'm ejected from the UN because of my sibblings.
Once word would get around that this is an effective way of getting around the check for UN Multies (if this were implemented), almost everyone involved in the invader/defender part of the game, as well as the United Nations, would take advantage of it.

If I can think of something that Jen Gov can use, something like people's SSN, that can clarify that they are who they say they are and only have that number for one nation, I will post again.

SSN won't really do anything. The moderators probably won't go to your house, just to check that you and your siblings are different people, using different nations in the UN. That's really the only way that they can make sure of it.


Unless you bake them a very nice cake... :p
Katganistan
18-07-2005, 21:52
It would be self-destructively foolish to give your SSN to ANYONE other than your employer, your financial institution, your health insurance company, or in dealings with the Internal Revenue Service.

Do NOT give this information to any entity online. This is how people have their identities stolen and their credit destroyed.
Zouloukistan
19-07-2005, 13:51
It would be self-destructively foolish to give your SSN to ANYONE other than your employer, your financial institution, your health insurance company, or in dealings with the Internal Revenue Service.

Do NOT give this information to any entity online. This is how people have their identities stolen and their credit destroyed.
Eh, true, but it's not everyone who understands that... poor people...

(not the not-rich, but the unfortunates)
(not money fortune, but luck, y'know...)
Aeruillin
20-07-2005, 15:02
I have been ejected from the UN :( and asked to stop sending questions to the moderators because I guess 2 telegrams are considered spamming. So here is my suggestion.
Now here is my suggestion. Whenever your computer finds that more than one IP address(same computer) has multiple accounts in the UN, check and see if they e-mails are similar, if the nations are similar, and if what they have posted in the forums are similar. You can also check the records of acitivity of the accounts because if it is truely more than one person on the same computer, they both may not be checked the same day. If it were one person, they would check each nation one right after the other just because they are on the same web page.

The computers can only take over a person's job so far, thats where people( the moderators) step in.

Pretty much all of this can be faked, and most of it (political affiliations, writing style, are you serious?!) can be monitored only by humans, of which there aren't enough to do so.

Edit: Oh, this was supposed to be in the case of multiple users of the same IP being already found. I thought this was to be applied to all members.