NationStates Jolt Archive

As it stands now, players are limited to one UN member nation each, and it is the most important nation because it can elect delegates and hence control regions, and submit proposals, and vote. That means that all the other nations are unaffected by UN law. The idea I had is to create a new, lower rank of UN member, who lacks the ability to vote, endorse, or do anything at all except be affected by UN policy. And players could have as many of them as they wanted.

What do people think of this idea?

What would be the use of them?

They mods will probably say no anyway.

Well lets think about this for a second. People are in the UN because the want to make a difference, if they can't vote what kind of a difference would that make.

This lower rank UN member would just be like a nation having issues automatically anwered for them.

Really they wouldn't serve much of a purpose would they?

N00bie question: What is the point of being in the UN? It seems that you're just giving others a lot of control over your nation.

N00bie question: What is the point of being in the UN? It seems that you're just giving others a lot of control over your nation.

Yeah that's right.

But you can vote on resolutions, and if you can persuade two people to endorse you, you can submit proposals to the UN which, if everyone else likes, will become law in all the UN member nations. And if you've got more endorsements than anyone else in the region, you become the Regional Delegate, and can change the World Factbook Entry (the text that describes a region at the top of the region's page), expel and ban nations from the region, and set a password on the region to stop undesirable nations from entering.

And as for UN non-voting membership (UN Associate?), I want all my nations (which are all satellites of the Duchy of Claverton) to be under the same legislative umbrella. I want Claverton to remain in GREAT Britain, and my military nation '9 Squadron' to take UN membership when required for overseas defensive service. I don't want to take Claverton out of the UN rules to do that though. And if the Duchy of Claverton is bound to the UN rules, why aren't the Colonies of Pulteney, Kelston, and New Bathwick?

If it isn't a whole load of hassle to add, I would hope to see UN Associate Membership one day...

N00bie question: What is the point of being in the UN? It seems that you're just giving others a lot of control over your nation.

True. However, in the interest of fairness and shameless self-promotion, you may want to read the links in my sig entitled National Sovereignty and the NationStates United Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8681146&postcount=4) and A Practical Guide to the NationStates United Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8681181&postcount=5), taking particular note of the "Why join the NSUN?" section.

They mods will probably say no anyway.

Good guess. "No."

It is a good idea, but lacks actual purpose.

If it isn't a whole load of hassle to add, I would hope to see UN Associate Membership one day...
It is. You won't.

I've seen this suggested once before, and the reaction from experienced players was, "UN effects are something you put up with to have the ability to use UN membership in proposals and region play. Why would anyone want the negatives without the positives?" I concur with this view. Since you're not going to get identical issues either, it seems even more pointless.

If you want a uniform multi-national system of laws and balances, roleplay it. There is no way to make the game behave the same for each of your nations.

If we did have a list of these guys, they'd get their inbox spammed through Hell and back by people asking them to join their regions and put their UN status to 'good use'.

If we did have a list of these guys, they'd get their inbox spammed through Hell and back by people asking them to join their regions and put their UN status to 'good use'.

Why, as they'd be non-voting puppets of someone's UN full-member nation, with no political power? [/rhetorical]

Thanks for the definite answer, anyway.

Why, as they'd be non-voting puppets of someone's UN full-member nation, with no political power? [/rhetorical]

Thanks for the definite answer, anyway.

Nevertheless, they would still have a UN status, and could endorse the UN delegate of their region, giving them another vote in the UN, which could ultimately become complicated and extremely corrupt.

Oh - I didn't expect UN Affiliates to be able to endorse, vote, approve, submit, etc... the only thing that they would do is be affected by legislation. So if, for instance, I spend days crafting a resolution to do something dramatic, but my ally gets invaded and I give my UN membership to my military puppet to go and give him aid, my main nation would still have the resolution apply to it.

But I appreciate that NS is freeware, and any work done is voluntary, and this proposal has very limited uses or desirability. Maybe for NS2...