NationStates Jolt Archive


WE KNOW ABOUT THE "Zero" values in nation variables ERROR!

King Binks
26-04-2005, 22:03
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/modedit.jpg We know about this problem, and are trying to get it fixed. You don't need to report on it for now. Thanks!
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My homepage is NationStates, and it auto logs into my account. Today I noticed something odd. My nation name is now the "0 of 0". Everything that is usually a variable is now "0". Somehow, I log into the forums fine. Search for the nation "King Binks" in the world page, and you will see what I mean. It shows my nation as no longer existing, although it was never deleted, and in its place is this "0 of 0."
World wide allies
26-04-2005, 22:08
Hah, that's pretty damn cool.

Well in my opinion, i'll bet you're a little pissed :p
Screaming Guitar
26-04-2005, 22:10
Having same problem, won't let me log into my nation, but log in works here, tells me "incorrect password" and that I didn't give email when I started nation. I know I did, and password working here....hellppppp!!!!!
Pizzarica
26-04-2005, 22:11
I have the same problem, and so do at least 2 other members of my region.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?!!?! :(
King Binks
26-04-2005, 22:11
A little I guess, at least I can still post. And I have faith it will go away or be fixed somehow. I am proud in some odd way, that it happened to me.

*Caugh* Um, nevermind about that last part.
FairyTInkArisen
26-04-2005, 22:11
phew! it's not just me then
The GM Warden
26-04-2005, 22:11
Same problem here....and I've got recruiting to do!
Talthia
26-04-2005, 22:12
Aye, it's hit me too... *hopes for a fix* :)
DJ_Scorpio
26-04-2005, 22:12
Same Here.........I'm a 0 of 0, and I cannot log in........The Terrorist have infiltrated!!!!!!!!!
Beavisoria
26-04-2005, 22:13
This sucks. what the hell is going on.
King Binks
26-04-2005, 22:13
I wonder if we can find some similarities between the afflicted nations...
Cockbill Street
26-04-2005, 22:13
Yup, same problem.

I'm guessing it's something with the database. Hopefully nothing serious...
Lenny the Carrot
26-04-2005, 22:13
My region is gone as well. I can post but nothing else. This sucks!
Zephlin Ragnorak
26-04-2005, 22:13
Yeah, same problem here. Weird.
Pizzarica
26-04-2005, 22:13
And I had just hit 1 billion... it isn't fair!
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:14
oh it's so irritating! I was looking at just random nations in the west pacific and I tried to go back to mine, but it was like "nation 0 of 0" and there was like, an invalid picture.. Is there something wrong with the programming of the site? Because if its happening to more than one person then there's a glitch in the system that Barry programmed. Anybody tried emailing him and asking him what the heck is going on?
Raultopia
26-04-2005, 22:14
I'm having the same problem. I hope something happens soon.
Micropolis
26-04-2005, 22:14
Argh, now I'm getting it too...

I'm the UN Delegate as well. Am I going to get my endorsements back?
FairyTInkArisen
26-04-2005, 22:14
I wonder if we can find some similarities between the afflicted nations...
I dunno, I'm maybe thinking something along the lines of we all play this game called Nationstates......
The Seperatist states
26-04-2005, 22:15
I AM HAVING THAT PROBLEM ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIX IT PROGRAMMERS OR THIS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU

:eek: :eek: :eek: :mp5:
GAH WTF
26-04-2005, 22:15
it's happening to me too, all the sudden, i was going through my issues, and suddenly there were none, and my nation became completely centrist :(
Talthia
26-04-2005, 22:16
Check out today's UN Report for the world, and look at the 9th nation on the list... ;)
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 22:17
Same thing happened to my nation Saige Dragon. Logged into my puppet fine, but after sending a message to the mods or whoever my puppet is now located in the region of 0 all by itself. I'm thinking this is wither the work of hacker or a program error.
Makaar
26-04-2005, 22:17
Same problem here.

- The proud 0 of 0 - "0" - with 0 issues because we have 0 population!
Kurui
26-04-2005, 22:17
I am another victim of the same problem. It's so annoying. I use Firefox.

{edit} On logging on with a second nation (in IE) the problem has not occured.
Ychrana
26-04-2005, 22:18
Im having the same problem.

PLEASE FIX IT, MY NATION MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME :eek:
GAH WTF
26-04-2005, 22:18
the north pacific is completely gone, was everyone from there who is having this problem?
King Binks
26-04-2005, 22:19
Check out today's UN Report for the world, and look at the 9th nation on the list... ;)
I just looked at that a minute ago, and it wasn't like that. This appears to be spreading.
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:20
Well, now I'm going to be bored. But I left a post on Max's site and was like umm... dude, you're having a problem... So maybe he can do.. something. Whatever, it's his site so ~shrug~

edit: I'm west pacific

edit: maybe he's trying to kill off the site without telling anyone
Makaar
26-04-2005, 22:21
I think it only affected the people with auto-login, that's why certain nations still exist. That would explain why we can log in with 2nd nations, and why only the 9th nation in the Top 10 list is "0".
HotRodia
26-04-2005, 22:21
My homepage is NationStates, and it auto logs into my account. Today I noticed something odd. My nation name is now the "0 of 0". Everything that is usually a variable is now "0". Somehow, I log into the forums fine. Search for the nation "King Binks" in the world page, and you will see what I mean. It shows my nation as no longer existing, although it was never deleted, and in its place is this "0 of 0."

The one variable that doesn't seem to be zero is:

Most Recent Government Activity: 12899 days ago

I took that from my Texan Hotrodders account. Eight of my nations that I've checked so far have had something similar happen to them.
General Pinochet
26-04-2005, 22:21
This just happened to me as well. However, it coincided with my virus scanner telling me that auto-protect and e-mail protect had just suddenly gone offline. Dear God I hope that it just coincidence.
The Mighty Pump
26-04-2005, 22:21
My god this is so f***ing annoying! What the hell is happening? Someone fix it!
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 22:22
Yea everything appeared to be 0 on Saige Dragon except for the days inactive which was something like 12000+, odd because I had just logged in this morning. Maybe a virus got the servers or something. :confused:
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:23
It's not auto login, because I have to log in everytime I pull up the page
Negronian
26-04-2005, 22:23
meh. my Region just became 0 but everything else is fine. I'm just gonna move now.
Nomaadia
26-04-2005, 22:24
I got hit!
GAH WTF
26-04-2005, 22:24
This just happened to me as well. However, it coincided with my virus scanner telling me that auto-protect and e-mail protect had just suddenly gone offline. Dear God I hope that it's just coincidence.

it better be, my scanner is working fine, phew.
Ark-Industries
26-04-2005, 22:24
phew..I thought it was me...I had just voted on an issue and boom, I become 0 of 0 and everything is all screwed up. Hopefully its a simple fix. I was just under 1 billion as well. Dont use auto-login, do use firefox.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=8758307#
sniper
Dai Nippon Koku
26-04-2005, 22:24
Gah! My July 2003 nation has been affected by this!

Hopefully they can sort this out.....
Nomaadia
26-04-2005, 22:25
Yea everything appeared to be 0 on Saige Dragon except for the days inactive which was something like 12000+, odd because I had just logged in this morning. Maybe a virus got the servers or something. :confused:

Could the virus f*** up our cpu's?
Makaar
26-04-2005, 22:26
Must have been a momentary glitch

I CAN LOG IN NOW!!!
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:27
what happened to change the fact that you can log in now?
GAH WTF
26-04-2005, 22:28
Must have been a momentary glitch

I CAN LOG IN NOW!!!

I can't! :mad:
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:28
mine blocked me from logging in because I kept trying.. but it still said "incorrect password" and all that
Terre DeAnge
26-04-2005, 22:29
I think its just a "world wide" glitch.

Is anyone else having the problem of logging in? I mean, on the NS. I logged out of NS then tried to log back in thinking that'd fix the glitch. It didn't. Said my password was invalid. So I tried to have it emailed to me. Which didn't work either, saying I didn't provide a email (which obviously I did to post here).

Then thinking someone hacked into my account somehow I went around changing the password for her (I half expected to see "User doesn't exsist" when I got her).

Oh might webmasters, please fix this ASAP!!!
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 22:30
If your already logged in but your region says 0, no point in trying to move to another region and hope it goes away because i tried searching for Alberta and all I got was 0. :headbang:
Tagay giya
26-04-2005, 22:31
I also am having this problem it either sends me to country 0 or it says I have the wrong password. when I try to send my password to myself it tells me I Have not set an email address (I have) I can not log into saphora on the forums either. My other country (this one) seems to be ok. Any help would be great nytetears69 at yahoo dot com
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:31
they're also talking under the "what happened" thread and this guy said that he could log back in, and that it only momentarily glitched for him
Talthia
26-04-2005, 22:31
I can login with a puppet, but none of my main nations...

So, if my region is affected by the 'devoid of all nations' bug, does that mean it'll vanish if the update passes before this is fixed?
Dezzan
26-04-2005, 22:31
Region: Zandee

Lost: Furry Wombats

When i logged on i got 0 of 0.

Going into Zandee with my founder nation i found Furry Wombats had been deated and so had another nation (which wasn't mine).

Please give me my Vibrant Virtuosity of Furry Wombats back please...
HotRodia
26-04-2005, 22:32
mine blocked me from logging in because I kept trying.. but it still said "incorrect password" and all that

What's a really bad sign is that I was able to unsuccessfully attempt a login some four, five, or six times. The system should have locked me out after three failed tries.
Screaming Guitar
26-04-2005, 22:32
The end of the world is here :eek: .....oh wait it's just here......guess I'll try again later and see if they got it fixed.....glad I'm not only one having problems anyway.
Rheins Bow
26-04-2005, 22:33
I was able to log into my nation, but my region is now "0".

But I'm glad it's not just me. They're probably working on the site?
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:33
mine was a lot more than 6 or 7, cause as soon as the page reloaded I would keep logging in.. which was even more worrisome. I don't have the foggiest idea of what's going on here
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:40
I don't think so... not since more nations are disappearing. and if they were, don't you think they would have posted a big notice about it so we're not all scurrying around and wondering what the heck is going on?
Laskon
26-04-2005, 22:43
As I'm sure we've all discovered thus far, this is not an isolated event. My nation is now at "0" located at "0"

I don't suppose we have a mod on this board willing to throw in what they know about the situation? It seems to be spreading.
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 22:43
I think there are 3 or so related problems here. 1 group of people can log in, bit their region is now 0, which is empty. The 2nd group of people can't log in at all, but through use of puppets find that their nation is "0 of 0". The 3rd group of people can log in but find their nation to be "0 of 0". I'm part of group 1 and 2 (This nation is groupd 1 and my main nation is group 2). Also, many people said they have been using auto login. This may have something to do with it except that the nation I'm using now (my puppet) doesn't have auto login, only my main nation. Just some thoughts on whats happening.
Theao
26-04-2005, 22:44
Of the nations that got Glitched who had a predesigned title for thier nation and who designed thier own?
Telscombe
26-04-2005, 22:44
Looks like a database error rather than a programming issue ... I had the 0 of 0 thing, logged out and tried to log back in but it wouldn't recognise my password ... and wouldn't send me a new password as I had no email address logged.

So ... looks like we have a fried database ... hope the last back-up isnt too old!! :(
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:46
Of the nations that got Glitched who had a predesigned title for thier nation and who designed thier own?

what do you mean exactly?
Ark-Industries
26-04-2005, 22:46
I just IMed my cousin, and he was able to log in fine. So it may just be affecting certain users ( over 1 year old, around a Billion population?)

Only time will tell if this really is the end of the world as we know it.

:( :(
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:47
my pop is in the 700 something millions and I've only been a member since Nov 2004
Defaultia
26-04-2005, 22:48
The one variable that doesn't seem to be zero is:

Most Recent Government Activity: 12899 days ago

I took that from my Texan Hotrodders account. Eight of my nations that I've checked so far have had something similar happen to them.
No, that includes 0 too. You see, 12899 days ago was the UNIX epoch, which is the date represented internally in UNIX computers, like the one which is running NationStates, as 0.

So, yes, all the variables are 0s.
Slaves to Free Will
26-04-2005, 22:49
I encountered this glitch while I was logged into a nation that I had just had resurrected, called Neo Assyria.

While answering issues, I went back to the issue screen and found that I had no issues, though I had had five the moment prior, with only three already answered. I went to my nation page, to find everything set to 0, and the other problems reported here. After I logged off, I could not log back on, and I could not request my password to be emailed. I then logged into my main nation, The Resplendent Dawn, to find it ruined too. After that left NS, and came back, to find my auto-login nation, All the Rossiyas, screwed up too.

I reported this on my regional offsite forum. Another member reported that he could not login, but a few minutes later, he was able to log in again. He also mentioned that my nation's name was blacked out, and not a green link any longer. The three nations I mentioned earlier, are the only ones not working of mine. My other nations work, which makes me suspect that this glitch was in effect for a certain small time frame.

I was IP banned for some time for all my failed login attempts into those three nations, which is why I waited half an hour to post this.
Theao
26-04-2005, 22:49
what do you mean exactly?
I meant the names you can have for your nation when you start, the ones like queendom, dominion ect the ones the nations with under 500 mill can use as to oppose to the ones the over 500 mill people can create.
Niall The First
26-04-2005, 22:49
im logged in just now .... the entire pacific feeders have disappeared altogether.... as have some UN delegates from user created regions .... very peculiar ....
Slaves to Free Will
26-04-2005, 22:50
I meant the names you can have for your nation when you start, the ones like queendom, dominion ect the ones the nations with under 500 mill can use as to oppose to the ones the over 500 mill people can create.

Of my three glitched nations, 2 were custom titled, a "Reconstructed Ancient Empire" and a "Christian Orthodox Imperium". One was a preset title, a "Holy Empire".
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:50
mine's the Queendom of Absurda
Theao
26-04-2005, 22:51
rats, it seems like my theory was false then
Ark-Industries
26-04-2005, 22:51
Of the nations that got Glitched who had a predesigned title for thier nation and who designed thier own?

I had a predesigned title, "The Rogue Nation of"
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:52
is there anyone's nation who's disappeared that's not in one of the pacifics?
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 22:53
Maybe its the Apocolypse?

I believe only my main nation had a custom title, not this puppet.

Uhh both of my nations were in Alberta. Which is now 0.
Right thinking whites
26-04-2005, 22:53
in the region "the urap"
Slaves to Free Will
26-04-2005, 22:53
is there anyone's nation who's disappeared that's not in one of the pacifics?


None of the three nations of mine that dissapeared were in the pacifics.

"The Resplendent Dawn" was in "Middle East"
"Neo Assyria" was in "Lazarus"
"All the Rossiyas" was in a region of its own founding, "Classical Europe"
Laskon
26-04-2005, 22:53
Has everyone tried using the world to look for their respective regions? It all comes back to "0"

So, lets not try and scale this down at all, its getting bigger. :eek:
Right thinking whites
26-04-2005, 22:54
and it now seems that the game is down
My favourite Nation
26-04-2005, 22:54
Take it easy. My region of over 600 nations is gone too. We'll just have to sit tight, and have a life for a change :cool:
Jake 4
26-04-2005, 22:54
this really pisses me off!

first it was the NS crash that lasted half a day last week and now The Pacifics are PUFF gone!

This is getting me really upset,i think the rest of all of you are too
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:55
so it's not related to population, pre-designed name, how long you've had your nation, region... I mean the other things it could be related to are even more farfetched. like what type of government you have, but I'm sure that that varies more than anything else. have we made any progress yet?
Talthia
26-04-2005, 22:55
"We'll just have to sit tight, and have a life for a change"

Not if I have anything to say about it! ;)
Absurda
26-04-2005, 22:57
the first bunch of nations that I've seen gone are all "Inoffensive Centrist Democracies" that's what I have.. anyone else have the same or something different?
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 22:57
Actually, when I was looking at my main nation (Saige Dragon, the one with auto-login, a custom title that can't be logged in to and is now called "0 of 0") its location wasn't the region of 0 but a whole bunch of jibberish computer lingo that didn't make any sense whatsoever.
Slaves to Free Will
26-04-2005, 22:58
Has everyone tried using the world to look for their respective regions? It all comes back to "0"

So, lets not try and scale this down at all, its getting bigger. :eek:


Middle East is fine. Its nations seems to be for the most part unaffected, except for me.
Hypocria
26-04-2005, 22:59
It seems the powers that be know about the problem. Check the big red message at the start of this thread.
Slaves to Free Will
26-04-2005, 22:59
so it's not related to population, pre-designed name, how long you've had your nation, region... I mean the other things it could be related to are even more farfetched. like what type of government you have, but I'm sure that that varies more than anything else. have we made any progress yet?


I am convinced it affects nations who logged in within a certain time period of less than ten minutes, which occured between 6 and 6:15. If you did not log in within that time, but are affected please so so. That is Eastern Time Zone, (I am in Maryland, US)
Laskon
26-04-2005, 23:00
Take it easy. My region of over 600 nations is gone too. We'll just have to sit tight, and have a life for a change :cool:

Ma'am?


I highly doubt that everything has "disappeared" it is likely a glitch that will hopefully be gone soon enough, if it is not, then we will have to continue our lives until such time it is up again.

As long as there are no official announcements by mods or admins, there are
very few things we have to go on:
1. Almost all nation's stats are at "0"
2. All regions have "dissapeared" and become the Region of "0"
3. Some people cannot log into any of their accounts, this seems to be a much smaller number of people than the over all world wide "0" bug.
4. It affects everyone, not just new or old nations, or nations with custom names

I'm sure theres other stuff I fogot, please add it on, but slowly build up the list. :cool:
Pizzarica
26-04-2005, 23:00
Now all of my nations are in the group with wrong password. Even the one that had 0 in region 0.

I sure hope they can fix this.
Jibea
26-04-2005, 23:00
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/modedit.jpg We know about this problem, and are trying to get it fixed. You don't need to report on it for now. Thanks!
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My homepage is NationStates, and it auto logs into my account. Today I noticed something odd. My nation name is now the "0 of 0". Everything that is usually a variable is now "0". Somehow, I log into the forums fine. Search for the nation "King Binks" in the world page, and you will see what I mean. It shows my nation as no longer existing, although it was never deleted, and in its place is this "0 of 0."

Some one didnt define the variable correctly
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 23:01
so it's not related to population, pre-designed name, how long you've had your nation, region... I mean the other things it could be related to are even more farfetched. like what type of government you have, but I'm sure that that varies more than anything else. have we made any progress yet?

Maybe it has to do with location in the real world. I'm from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I noticed another person from Manitoba....
Absurda
26-04-2005, 23:02
well to further my theory... every nation that I've found to have disappeared are all the Inoffensive Centrist Democracies. I'm just going straight through the list and trying to find anything else
Absurda
26-04-2005, 23:04
I'm from Texas and another guy said that he's from Maryland.. so I think that one might be out
Laskon
26-04-2005, 23:05
I highly doubt its just a bug that is "attacking" Inoffensive Centrist Democracies, though it is strange how it seems to be ignoring those other regions.

As long as the mods are taking a crack at it, I trust them to do their jobs and fix it. :mp5:
Slaves to Free Will
26-04-2005, 23:05
well to further my theory... every nation that I've found to have disappeared are all the Inoffensive Centrist Democracies. I'm just going straight through the list and trying to find anything else

The governments were reset as part of the glitch.
Talthia
26-04-2005, 23:05
... Someone beat me to it...
Absurda
26-04-2005, 23:06
so far that's the only thing that all of the nations have in common, and no one has contradicted otherwise. but I'm still looking and I'll post if I find that that one's out
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 23:06
I bet this doesn't happen in the real world.........Canada become's 0 of 0 along with the US and Mexico and North America turns into 0.....
Pizzarica
26-04-2005, 23:07
This '0' nation is spooky.

There is no government in the normal sense the word; however, a small group of community-minded individuals appears to have no policy direction whatsoever
Absurda
26-04-2005, 23:07
ahhh
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 23:08
Siage Dragon wasn't Inoffensive Centrist Democracies and Donut to the Saige was a Father Knows Best State last time I checked.
Absurda
26-04-2005, 23:08
The majority of nations seem to be left, so it's only a small fraction of all the total nations
Shizensky
26-04-2005, 23:08
I was kinda bummed out when it wouldn't let me refound The North Pacific.
Lillis
26-04-2005, 23:09
I really have to agree with the sit tight thing. It doesn't make any sense to get annoyed with an internet game for being glitchy, or with the people who are trying to fix it. If speculation keeps you happy, keep on speculating, but it seems more likely that this is just an error throughout the entire game.

However, if it helps:
From New England, US
Been playing for a total of 2 hours (created my nation at around four pm.)
Liberal soemthing Socialist
Nothing Customized
2 issues per day
Slaves to Free Will
26-04-2005, 23:09
so far that's the only thing that all of the nations have in common, and no one has contradicted otherwise. but I'm still looking and I'll post if I find that that one's out

If you are referring to the governments, one of mine was Corrupt Dictatorship, another Father Knows Best State, and the other I can't remember, but something else.

They all became Inoffensive..., after the glitch.
Laskon
26-04-2005, 23:10
There could be international computer virus' or glitches, its quite realistic, but I don't think thats what anyone was thinking of...


The "0" region is, in essense, nothing, we still are technically in our real regions, but our stats register us as being in that region, but as you can see, it says what number you are in your region for whatever, since there are no nations in "0" this cannot be.

Its not as serious as it seems, our regions are there, we just can't see them or get to them.
Donut to the Saige
26-04-2005, 23:14
The timezone thing sorta makes sense, but I'm thinking this just hit random nations. And according to the bbig red letters at the start of this post I'm thinking its just a programming error, like Y2K except that it is actually happenning.
Laskon
26-04-2005, 23:17
Of course, its just like a virus(though its not) spreading through the nations. This means one would just have to find the source and stop it, then hopefully at the update, everything will be repaired.

Otherwise, its going to be a long couple of days (or even weeks) after this is over. I wish we could somehow help out the mods if it comes to that, though.

Edit:

New theory, everything starts and ends with this "0" region, right? Well maybe deleting it would stop the whole thing. Any thoughts?
The Silver Sky
26-04-2005, 23:28
I have 8 nations all under 300million, 2 were centrist before the update, one was a liberal state and the rest were father knows best, and dictatorships, my main nation is fine still in it's main region, as are 4 of my puppets, the other 3 nations are all in the region "0" but I can log into and re-log into all of them, this frankly is kinda creeping me out, but like it was said earlier all of our nations and regions still exist, because the region "0" and the nations 0 of 0 can simply not exist thus every thing is still the same, I use FireFox and my auto-log in nation is one of my nations that hasn't been affected, if this is a server/game probelm we'll have to probably wait till after the update as all of the server techies and Game mods are in the UK and a sleep (As far as I know), and it'll take some time to fis the problem.

Second time something has happened in less then a week, wow the servers must be getting overloaded.
Neh-vur Blay-zing
26-04-2005, 23:35
I have three countries... and two of them got hit. All I know is I sure hope when it gets fixed, our populations and policies aren't reset.
Shizensky
26-04-2005, 23:36
Of course, its just like a virus(though its not) spreading through the nations. This means one would just have to find the source and stop it, then hopefully at the update, everything will be repaired.

Otherwise, its going to be a long couple of days (or even weeks) after this is over. I wish we could somehow help out the mods if it comes to that, though.

Edit:

New theory, everything starts and ends with this "0" region, right? Well maybe deleting it would stop the whole thing. Any thoughts?

I've never seen the deletion of an entire region, but isn't there a chance that this might also delete the nations within the region?
Frisbeeteria
26-04-2005, 23:37
I AM HAVING THAT PROBLEM ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIX IT PROGRAMMERS OR THIS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU

:eek: :eek: :eek: :mp5:
This kind of comment is not helpful in any way, shape, or form.

We KNOW about the problem.
We are doing everything in our power to resolve the issues.
This is going to take the site Admins some time.
You'll be glad to know that both
[violet] and SalusaSecondus are on the job.

Now please cut it out with the threats and crying. Lots of people got affected, and we're going to do what we must to get it fixed. More than that I cannot tell you, because you now know EVERYTHING that I know.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator
Hersfold
26-04-2005, 23:40
I was wondering how long that post would be left alone...

Fris, once they've finished, will we be told exactly what happened? I'm kind of curious (as I'm sure everyone else is) as to what could have caused a massive failure like this.
The Silver Sky
26-04-2005, 23:40
Thanks Fris! It's nice to know that! :)
I was wondering how long that post would be left alone...

Fris, once they've finished, will we be told exactly what happened? I'm kind of curious (as I'm sure everyone else is) as to what could have caused a massive failure like this.
What he/she said. :)
Defectivity
26-04-2005, 23:42
Maybe it has to do with location in the real world. I'm from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I noticed another person from Manitoba....

And I'm from Calgary, but all my nations seem fine.
Goobergunchia
26-04-2005, 23:43
I was playing around a bit, and I've noticed the following:

It is possible to log into nations in feeder regions.
It is possible to move nations out of feeder regions.
It is possible to move nations into feeder regions, but the URL must be manually manipulated to specify the region name - the link does not work.
If you are in a feeder region, you can see one line of the Regional Happenings therein (I think, not sure about this one). If you are not in a feeder region, you cannot see any Regional Happenings therein.
If you move in and out of a feeder region, you get something looking like this:
# Seconds ago: The Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia III arrived from .

# 6 minutes ago: The Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia III departed this region for
I didn't try this one myself, but I am informed that nation creation is "weird".
The Blaatschapen
26-04-2005, 23:44
And down it is.

Good, take your time mods. At least I'll wait patiently, best of luck :)

Blaat
Claverton
26-04-2005, 23:50
It seems the entire server is down now. Ho hum. Now I will complete my coursework.
Viper Major
26-04-2005, 23:54
yeah, back to reguler life without nationstates. (turns back around) i'm scared what do i do? real life?
Pure Thought
26-04-2005, 23:55
IMO, this is a good time for us to express our support and patience towards the Mods, and give them a little encouragement. Naturally we're all a bit frustrated because we can't play, and we're worried about our nations and regions, but getting in the Mods' faces won't help them fix it.

FWIW

*bites dish towel to stifle cries, begins to quiver, falls to ground in a fit*
Defaultia
26-04-2005, 23:55
I didn't try this one myself, but I am informed that nation creation is "weird".

I did.

When a nation is created, it goes into a region called "0", which is blank. There's no UN report, and when you post a message to the CHQ, it disappears after you refresh the region page.
Laskon
26-04-2005, 23:56
I've never seen the deletion of an entire region, but isn't there a chance that this might also delete the nations within the region?


If they do try this, we'd probably all end up in the RR, or deleted. Its a last resort risk, and probably won't come to that.

I have faith in you guys (mods) to fix this, right now, we're just discussing what could have happened and such, but please everyone, no more need to complain. :(

Are there any other loopholes people have found? I just hope that when people do locate areas to get away from the zero, they don't flood these areas to badly...


Edit:
NationStates is temporarily down

Earlier today (26/27 April 2005) our server experienced some data corruption, and the game is offline while we fix this. The fix will probably require restoring from a backup, which was taken approximately 20 hours ago. This process is likely to take a few hours.

Restoring from backup means, unfortunately, that all nations and regions will lose any changes made in the last 20 hours.

Any status updates will be posted to this page. Thank you for your patience.

[Forums] [MaxBarry.com]


Alright, as far as I know, all we can do is go and wait for them to fix it, which will probably be by tomorrow. Good luck to the mods and many thanks!

Not that big a reason for this thread to continue, but we can if everyone still wants to talk conspiricy theories on what happened and such. :D
Right thinking whites
26-04-2005, 23:57
NationStates is temporarily down

Earlier today (26/27 April 2005) our server experienced some data corruption, and the game is offline while we fix this. The fix will probably require restoring from a backup, which was taken approximately 20 hours ago. This process is likely to take a few hours.

Restoring from backup means, unfortunately, that all nations and regions will lose any changes made in the last 20 hours.

Any status updates will be posted to this page. Thank you for your patience.

[Forums] [MaxBarry.com]well nice of them to explain
SalusaSecondus
26-04-2005, 23:58
The game has been taken down so that we can restore it from backup (approx. 20 hours old). This will require several hours to accomplish.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/salusasecondus2.jpg
Defectivity
27-04-2005, 00:04
The game has been taken down so that we can restore it from backup (approx. 20 hours old). This will require several hours to accomplish.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/salusasecondus2.jpg

Thanks, SalusaSecondus. For this, and just for generally keeping the game running. That goes to all the mods. :)
Laskon
27-04-2005, 00:06
Yes, thanks for the update. :D Now I guess that clears everything up for people, right?
Goobergunchia
27-04-2005, 00:10
There's still one question.

WHAT IN THE NAME OF RASSILON ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO FOR "SEVERAL HOURS"?!?!?!?!?

/me twitches violently and falls over.


(Kidding aside, thanks for the update and keep up the good work in making the game run smoothly. This is the first big bug in a while, and it's being handled a lot quicker than a lot of the old ones were IIRC.)
Lillis
27-04-2005, 00:12
Yeah, thanks, but I guess this means that people who created a new nation within that time will have to start again... Oh well, it's not like you can really do much within that time.
Frisbeeteria
27-04-2005, 00:13
There's still one question.

WHAT IN THE NAME OF RASSILON ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO FOR "SEVERAL HOURS"?!?!?!?!?
[18:55] <Myrth> 'Until then, go outside and get some fresh air. Maybe you'll meet a girl. Who knows?'
Henneth annun
27-04-2005, 00:19
Will this erase sent telegrams and movement throughout regions?
Neo-Anarchists
27-04-2005, 00:19
[18:55] <Myrth> 'Until then, go outside and get some fresh air. Maybe you'll meet a girl. Who knows?'
But other humans are so scary!
*whimpers and hides in corner*
NationStates... We wants it, we do!!!

Kidding aside, good luck to the admins with the restoring and other such adminly business. Here's hoping everything goes nice and smoothly and such.
Tuesday Heights
27-04-2005, 00:21
Looks like I missed all the excitement... oh, well, at least we still have the forums.
Laskon
27-04-2005, 00:21
Haha, yes, I do believe we could all be doing something just as interesting as sitting at our computers, building a nation on an online program!

But what do I know, eh? Everyone just go have fun, it should be fixed soon enough. :cool:
Right thinking whites
27-04-2005, 00:21
Will this erase sent telegrams and movement throughout regions?
post 122
The Seperatist states
27-04-2005, 00:24
Err... sorry bout the :eek: :eek: :eek: :mp5: ,

I sorta went crazy

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
Laskon
27-04-2005, 00:31
Don't worry about it, we were all concerned about what was happening, though threatening to kill the only people who can fix the problem seemed a little extreme. :p
Henneth annun
27-04-2005, 00:38
post 122
:(
Laskon
27-04-2005, 00:43
Nothing majorly important was lost, though, correct?

All the newbies who came in the last 20 hours, though, I just hope they aren't discouraged by this untimely turn of events.
Lillis
27-04-2005, 01:05
Certainly not, I intend to create a new and better country now that I know what's actually going on here.
Absurda
27-04-2005, 01:05
hey, this just makes stuff all the more interesting :)
Lord Thunderwing
27-04-2005, 01:06
What about nations that were deleted by MODS. There is a group of nations controlled by Orland who recently were involved in the griefing of an entire region. Does this mean the deletion is nullified?
Absurda
27-04-2005, 01:08
pretty much anything done since the last major system save will be deleted. like whenever your computer goes wonky and you have to restore it to a different time, be it yesterday or 3 weeks ago. so no matter what's been going on since then it'll be erased.. and it'll just have to be done all over again. just an annoyance for us I guess
Mikitivity
27-04-2005, 01:36
I'd actually like to thank whomever created the note on the main game page. I've been busy for hours and was hoping to recreate on NationStates and saw what I sincerely feel was a very well written and informative note!

I believe if I hadn't of seen the note, I'd have been a bit confused. Thankfully it was there, along with a link to the forums.

The Admins have done an excellent job, and it is appreciated. I hope that we'll all be back on-line soon. :) If not, getting a bit of fresh air sounds like a great idea.
Venerable libertarians
27-04-2005, 01:38
[18:55] <Myrth> 'Until then, go outside and get some fresh air. Maybe you'll meet a girl. Who knows?'
Has met and married a girl!!

Why do you think i spend endless hours on this Game?? Lmao. :p
Jake 4
27-04-2005, 01:45
how will the nations be affected by this?will there population decrease?do they get deleted?delegate records,what?
Lillis
27-04-2005, 01:56
When this is fixed, the last twenty hours will not have happened. At least they won't be on record.
Frisbeeteria
27-04-2005, 02:10
Wed, 27 Apr 2005

The Great Disk Space Disaster of 2005

by Max Barry

Today our server ran out of disk space. Some servers, confronted with this situation, would collapse in a screaming heap, but not ours. Oh no! Instead it sucked it up and kept on running. Of course, it couldn't save anything, so almost every nation and region it touched got deleted or corrupted, but still, you have to admire its spirit.

Here's what happened: we realized (a) that terrible, terrible things were happening to the game, (b) this was because we'd run out of disk space, and (c) yes, we really should have caught this earlier. Fortunately, we had a complete backup from earlier in the day, so we took down the game and began restoring.

Here's what this means: if you did anything in the 20 hours before the game went down, it's been undone. Legislation passed, telegrams sent, endorsements granted or regional movement: none of it really happened.

Nations deleted in the last 20 hours will be back. (Although if they were deleted by mods, you can bet they'll be re-deleted pretty quick.) Nations created in the last 20 hours have vanished. You can re-create them, but unfortunately I suspect we'll run into some forum account wackiness, because the forum itself is not being reset. If you have problems, please see the Known Problems page.

Sorry for this, and thanks for your patience.
We'll be back shortly. Backup is complete, cleanup is underway.
Laskon
27-04-2005, 02:34
Sweet.

Nice job guys, though I bet you were only doing it so you wouldn't be shot! :eek: :eek: :eek: :mp5:

Good night, ladies and gentlemen, it was a pleasure speaking with all of you on this issue. :D
Frisbeeteria
27-04-2005, 03:02
The GAME is UP again.
UberPenguinLand
27-04-2005, 03:03
Thank you! Great job getting it up so quickly.
Minas Mordred
27-04-2005, 03:11
Thanks for all the hard work Mods. :D
Daistallia 2104
27-04-2005, 04:24
I would like thank the mods, the server, and the powers that be, for arranging this mishap during my sleeping hours, and thus avoiding any inconvenience to me.

:D
Heiligkeit
28-04-2005, 03:10
I would like thank the mods, the server, and the powers that be, for arranging this mishap during my sleeping hours, and thus avoiding any inconvenience to me.

:D
You missed a lot. I took snapshots everywhere...
Pure Thought
28-04-2005, 12:55
I just want to add my thanks to everyone else's expressions of appreciation. I know there's going to be a fair amount of tidying up, catching up with things that already were done, re-ejecting cheats from the UN, re-killing griefers or whatever, but it's been relatively painless.

Thanks folks.