NationStates Jolt Archive

Number of Nations: 131,574
Number of Regions: 15,803

World Population: 83,408,807 Million (83.4 Trillion)
Avg. Population: 634 Million
Median Population: 247 Million
Max Population: 5733 Million Praetor
Mode: 5 Million (3241 nations), 2nd place: 20 Million (1842 Nations)

Avg. Region Size: 8
Largest Region: The North Pacific (8395 Nations)
Largest Player Region: Gatesville (1061 Nations)

All data from March 18th

Crowded. :p

This is some really interesting data. I've been wondering about the average population for a while. Do you think that it will go up or down as time passes?
I think that it will go down, because the growth of this game seems to be near-exponential. Population growth is linear (I think).

2003, Sept.:74,350 Nations, Avg. 393 Million
2003, Dec.: 93,467 Nations, Avg. 407 Million
2004, Mar.: 124,140 Nations, Avg. 426 Million
2004, Jun.: 109,751 Nations, Avg. 577 Million
2004, Oct.: 113,371 Nations, Avg. 604 Million
2005, Jan.: 122,072 Nations, Avg. 626 Million
2005, Mar.: 131,574 Nations, Avg. 634 Million

2003, Sept.:74,350 Nations, Avg. 393 Million
2003, Dec.: 93,467 Nations, Avg. 407 Million
2004, Mar.: 124,140 Nations, Avg. 426 Million
2004, Jun.: 109,751 Nations, Avg. 577 Million
2004, Oct.: 113,371 Nations, Avg. 604 Million
2005, Jan.: 122,072 Nations, Avg. 626 Million
2005, Mar.: 131,574 Nations, Avg. 634 MillionThat's interesting. Looking at the numbers now, I realize that the growth of the number of nations was relatively gradual. I remembered it being a sudden explosion, but apparently not.

That's interesting. Looking at the numbers now, I realize that the growth of the number of nations was relatively gradual. I remembered it being a sudden explosion, but apparently not.
It was a sudden explosion in the early days, but it settled down after a while.

It was a sudden explosion in the early days, but it settled down after a while.How early? Like Dec.-Jan. 2002/2003 or like summer 2003?

Number of Nations: 131,574
Number of Regions: 15,803

World Population: 83,408,807 Million (83.4 Trillion)
Avg. Population: 634 Million
Median Population: 247 Million
Max Population: 5733 Million Praetor
Mode: 5 Million (3241 nations), 2nd place: 20 Million (1842 Nations)

Avg. Region Size: 8
Largest Region: The North Pacific (8395 Nations)
Largest Player Region: Gatesville (1061 Nations)

All data from March 18th

If anybody is interested, I've been taking grab samples of of the number of nations, number of regions, number of UN members, and number of UN Delegates since Nov. 2004. There are some gaps in my data, but I was trying to make graphs along these lines:

http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/Nov2004.gif

If anybody is interested, I've been taking grab samples of of the number of nations, number of regions, number of UN members, and number of UN Delegates since Nov. 2004. There are some gaps in my data, but I was trying to make graphs along these lines:

http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/Nov2004.gifThat's really cool. Do you have a graph of the number of regions and delegates?

Very interesting stuff...thanks for taking the time to figure this data out. ^___^

Yay! I have almost twice the average population! Finally, I don't feel like a n00b!!11!!

I am teh pwnz0r!!111!!! :D

*waits for a 5 billion pop nation to smack me back to my proper place*

Number of Nations: 131,574
Number of Regions: 15,803

World Population: 83,408,807 Million (83.4 Trillion)
Avg. Population: 634 Million
Median Population: 247 Million
Max Population: 5733 Million Praetor
Mode: 5 Million (3241 nations), 2nd place: 20 Million (1842 Nations)

Avg. Region Size: 8
Largest Region: The North Pacific (8395 Nations)
Largest Player Region: Gatesville (1061 Nations)

All data from March 18th
Impressive

Yay! I have almost twice the average population! Finally, I don't feel like a n00b!!11!!

I am teh pwnz0r!!111!!! :D

*waits for a 5 billion pop nation to smack me back to my proper place*
i have many with nearly twice the average or more ;p

Ah bloody hell. Now I have to revise my estimate of Earths.

Let's see here... carry the two...

My estimate: Around 140-200 Earths.

Yay! I have almost twice the average population! Finally, I don't feel like a n00b!!11!!

I am teh pwnz0r!!111!!! :D

*waits for a 5 billion pop nation to smack me back to my proper place*

My largest nation only has 4.474 billion.

ok so we know how many nations but ho many players?

That's really cool. Do you have a graph of the number of regions and delegates?

I have the data in a spreadsheet, and can email it to anybody who wants a copy. The graphics I have are only for Nov 2004 and Dec 2004, and were focusing on UN members relative to non-members. I was hoping to get to converting the 2005 data into graphics illustrating the times resolutions were on the UN floor sometime this summer.

This started when I wondered if a UN resolution *increases* or *decreases* UN membership. Often players will leave the UN saying, "This resolution is too liberal! My nation wants no part of this." I wanted to test to see if the drop in membership was significant or not.

So I've been collecting data ever since then and I've yet to spend the time to really make a well written conclusion. But my first impression is that when most players "leave" the UN, they put a puppet back in again ... the net result: a slight increase in the number of nations in the world and no change in UN membership. But I also see a relative trend where UN membership tracks pretty well with nations in the game ... so I'm not so sure my first impression is correct here.

I have the data in a spreadsheet, and can email it to anybody who wants a copy. The graphics I have are only for Nov 2004 and Dec 2004, and were focusing on UN members relative to non-members. I was hoping to get to converting the 2005 data into graphics illustrating the times resolutions were on the UN floor sometime this summer.Sure. ns.jjuulliiaann [at] gmail [dot] com.


My largest nation only has 4.474 billion.I get a feeling that the population of that nation could be 44.474 billion with just a few clicks... :p
Can you do that? Just wondering; I'm not requesting anything.

I get a feeling that the population of that nation could be 44.474 billion with just a few clicks... :p
Can you do that? Just wondering; I'm not requesting anything.

Yeah, if I wanted to, it would be very easy, we're not allowed to though.

The only time that I had an odd population was a long time ago when I had a population of 1000 billion for about a day. I did that to demonstrate a vulnerability in the code before I could fix it. (yes, I was already on staff at the time)

I have the data in a spreadsheet, and can email it to anybody who wants a copy. The graphics I have are only for Nov 2004 and Dec 2004, and were focusing on UN members relative to non-members. I was hoping to get to converting the 2005 data into graphics illustrating the times resolutions were on the UN floor sometime this summer.

This started when I wondered if a UN resolution *increases* or *decreases* UN membership. Often players will leave the UN saying, "This resolution is too liberal! My nation wants no part of this." I wanted to test to see if the drop in membership was significant or not.

So I've been collecting data ever since then and I've yet to spend the time to really make a well written conclusion. But my first impression is that when most players "leave" the UN, they put a puppet back in again ... the net result: a slight increase in the number of nations in the world and no change in UN membership. But I also see a relative trend where UN membership tracks pretty well with nations in the game ... so I'm not so sure my first impression is correct here.

Love to have one. I'll send my e-mail via telegram. Thank you.

This is very interesting information, especially to see how it's gradually grown now as opposed to exploding when the game first came out. Yay for an updated census!

This is very interesting information, especially to see how it's gradually grown now as opposed to exploding when the game first came out. Yay for an updated census!

Believe it or not, but late Dec. 2004 and some if not all of Jan. 2004 we were in decline. The earlier image I posted was just for Nov. 2004, but the file has the graphs sans UN resolutions through today (tonight). My plan was that twice a year I'd actually look at a 6 month window.

I too would love to get a count for the number of actual players.

And the census data is very interesting.

edit:
It is just too bad we can't actually count the number of distinct nations that voted on resolutions ... delegate endorsements throw the number off. Even though we know how many nations there are in the UN today and how many were in 28 today ago (the different being the next change due to new members - inactive nations), I just don't know how to really figure out how many nations are abstaining from voting. It is a shame, because I'd very much like to get a better feel for how many players are participating by voting on UN resolutions.

Psst... Mik... I was talking about the entire site, not the UN.

Wow.....Earth's got a pretty big pop.

Anyway, is there a way to know the total number of nations created since the beginning, not just the ones still active? The main page only says "Over 1 million", not how much over.

In excess of 1,195,000 nations. But that's the best number that I can really get for you.

Holy Patootie, that's quite a few nations. Hell, that's bigger than my entire home-town. Unless I'm mistaken that's even more than the population of Ancient Rome during its hey-dey (referring to Rome the city, not the entire Empire). Kickass, we beat Rome! w00t!

Roman citizens didn't have the option of creating puppet people. I suspect that the number of actual players is rather less.

Ssssshhhhhh!

If the people don't know it then it wont hurt them!

Psst... Mik... I was talking about the entire site, not the UN.

So was I! :)

I track both UN and overall numbers. I just use the UN to determine the minimum number of unique players (assuming that most of the multis are caught of course).

Very useful information! Well, interesting anyway. Check out the low average # of nations in each region. There are a whole lot of tiny regions isolated from the major monopolies...

Good job, this is useful stuff.

30% of nations are in the feeders.

36% of regions have 1 nation in them.
17% of regions have 2 nations in them.

Thus, over half of all regions in the game have 2 or fewer nations.

Can you tell how many regions are entirely populated by one player? (assuming that IP address is adequate to tell)

Can you tell how many regions are entirely populated by one player? (assuming that IP address is adequate to tell)
Not easily

2003, Sept.:74,350 Nations, Avg. 393 Million
2003, Dec.: 93,467 Nations, Avg. 407 Million
2004, Mar.: 124,140 Nations, Avg. 426 Million
2004, Jun.: 109,751 Nations, Avg. 577 Million
2004, Oct.: 113,371 Nations, Avg. 604 Million
2005, Jan.: 122,072 Nations, Avg. 626 Million
2005, Mar.: 131,574 Nations, Avg. 634 Million
its cool though cuz this game sort is good for teens around the world so the get to know about goverment i think

Well, I salute Praetor, whoever he is.

And Salusa, that was amazing work. <gives cookie to Salusa>

Yay! I have almost twice the average population! Finally, I don't feel like a n00b!!11!!

I am teh pwnz0r!!111!!! :D

*waits for a 5 billion pop nation to smack me back to my proper place*


You're still a 2004 nation...still a n00b...

Well, I salute Praetor, whoever he is.

he's a pretty cool guy. I talk to him outside of ns some. he's in an ivy league school though so he doesn't do much with NS.

You're still a 2004 nation...still a n00b...

Ah, darn it, I knew someone would rain on my parade eventually... :(

So, then, according to your definition, when am I no longer a n00b (assuming I don't act like one)?

Hmmm... 4.87 billion.

My nation has about 5.77 times the average population.

my nation has around 3.5 billion

Two questions:

1) What was the first nation created on NationStates (back in 2002 or something, whenever it was started)?

2) Is there a way to calculate that nation's population if it existed continuously, increasing in increments of approx. 6 million a day?

Maxtopia, assuming ~12 Nov 2002 (the time of the first UN proposal by him), at an average growth of 6 million/day, would be about 5,262,000,000 (5.2 billion). It'd probably be higher due to the various pop bugs though.

I'd imagine that if you include the pop bugs, Maxtopia would've reached and passed the Earth's (real Earth) population by now.

If that happened, would we be legally obliged to worship Max Barry as a god?

If that happened, would we be legally obliged to worship Max Barry as a god?
Not obligated, but it's recommended if you want to survive the purges.

If that happened, would we be legally obliged to worship Max Barry as a god?
In your best interests...Yes

I'd imagine that if you include the pop bugs, Maxtopia would've reached and passed the Earth's (real Earth) population by now. I'm not surprised. My 4 most populous nations total about the entire population of the world; all of them are larger than China in population.