NationStates Jolt Archive

Yeesh, I have a map of my country and my population of billions, maybe even trillions by now, could NEVER fit on it. It's way too small, around the size of 3/4ths of the US.

The population growth in this game is staggeringly stupid. It makes me wonder if my nation is less concerned with improving it's economy then making babies.

Whoops, this is probably in the wrong forum.

You're still puny.

You think you've got a problem? I have to fit 2 billion people into a single, walled city.

The population growth in this game is staggeringly stupid. It makes me wonder if my nation is less concerned with improving it's economy then making babies.

In all honesty, I think it's simply that when the game was designed, no one ever thought that people would be willing to play it for such a long time.

You think you've got problems? I've got over 2/3 of the population of the Earth to fit into one country.

Oh yeah?

Well we've got over 3 billion in one small puppet theatre!

Some sort of shelving would appear to be in order?

ns is a large world after all, I'd make an entire song but am not feeling the inspiration...

Yeah, I've got about half of earth's population in one "small" nation. Don't forget though that this game was intended to be a parody and that the population growth is of course staggering. How would you like it if you'd been playing the game for three years and you have only ten people in your nation? Now that wouldn't be very much fun, would it? :p

2 billion would never be possible in Real life .. I don’t think any way .. any country with that pop would be so overwhelmed it would go in to decay

India in 2010...

Don't know what the point of this thread is, but I've got to fit almost 2 billion people into 336 pixels. (On the map of The North pacific, anyway)

Well, let's think of the physics about this for just a moment. Considering the massive energy consumption, depending on the size of the overall planet, we are necessarily still going to need to build upward. This is going to require lots of high strength tensile materials in very large quantities. Also this is going to require a very large amount of reactionable material for energy production. Considering how large the NS world would be, unless it is an artificially made, hollow world, it is going to have a very large graviational force. In fact, each NSer likely feels several multiples of our own friendly earth gravity.

You may also consider that earth is a relatively dense, if small body. Any body that would have the quantity of high strength material elements necessary for production of high altitude dwellings capable of squeezing 2 billion people into the space of manhattan, is going to require LOTS of metal. Lots of metal is very dense. So, unless we are speaking about breaking fundamental laws of physics as we know it, this world is likely to have several dozen Earth gravities...

Now we have only barely *touched* on the issue of energy consumption. To keep a planet of some untold trillions of sentient individuals living at something approaching a 1st world standard of living, you will necessarily be producing large quantities of waste heat energy. Where does all this go? Well, largely, under the best of circumstances, this waste energy is radiated into space. However, when you bring into account poor waste chemical disposal practices, you necessitate the existence of dangerous quantities of gasses that trap in heat and increase atmospheric density. This waste heat builds and builds, until the population will inevitably suffocate itself. Now we bring into the necessity to actually MOVE the whole NS planet further from the sun. Now either this world's immediate survival is at stake or some very technologically powerful aliens have helped move this ultra massive planet several AU farther from it's sun.

Enough blather for now....

Oh, god, now we're bringing physics into this... :D :p (Just kidding)

Since this has obviously gone far past the borders of the Technical forum, can this be locked or (preferably) moved to General or something?

Yeah. I think that any nation far over 1.5 billion (in RL, that is) would fall apart.

isn't this something that could be changed easily?

I think NS must be in a Dyson Sphere. There'd be room then.

Either that or something like The Matrix. The TUBES!

I have almost 3.2 billion mouths to feed

and Praetor is 5.4 BILLION

Dyson Sphere
Dyson Sphere?
Is that something with four dimensions?

Dyson Sphere?
Is that something with four dimensions?

LOL. Dyson Sphere is from Star Trek The Next Generation. There was a huge sphere built around a sun where the edge of the sphere was at the distance between us and the Sun. So there was life all over the sphere.

Ah, star trek.

Dyson Sphere?
Is that something with four dimensions?
"The Dyson sphere (or Dyson shell) was originally proposed in 1959 by the astronomer Freeman Dyson"
source (http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/dysonFAQ.html)

"The Dyson sphere (or Dyson shell) was originally proposed in 1959 by the astronomer Freeman Dyson" - source (http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/dysonFAQ.html)
Which was in turn borrowed by Larry Niven to make his Ringworld (http://www.larryniven.org/reviews/58.htm), which also might have enough room for all the NationStates.


(Gene Roddenberry was an equal-opportunity thief. He stole from everybody. There's not a single original idea in Star Trek.)

Well if Russia (the RL's biggest country in land area) had the population density of Macao (one of the highest in the world), the population would be nearly 298 billion. So these pop numbers in NS are semi-possible using real world instances.

I think population increase
should be no more and no less
than 1 one million a day,
that would keep it fun and reasonable.

For NS RP purposes
I could understand a higher rate.
Heck.

I personally think that trying to make sense of NS is useless. The game is meant to be whimsical, so it doesn't surprise me that it's increasingly unrealistic (let's not just rag on population...what about the tax rates? Anyone care to explain how a nation can exist- let alone thrive- on a 97%-100% tax rate?)

Well if Russia (the RL's biggest country in land area) had the population density of Macao (one of the highest in the world), the population would be nearly 298 billion. So these pop numbers in NS are semi-possible using real world instances.

Yeah, but is Macao self sufficient in food and stuff that requires space to build/make etc? I'm pretty sure that if you gave the world a population density of Macao then like 'The Jovian worlds' said, you'd get a massive heat problem, not to mention acute shortage of natural capital.

Yeah, I think that this thread has really outgrown the technical forum.