NationStates Jolt Archive


Abstentions in UN votes

TilEnca
04-12-2004, 00:44
I don't know if this has been mentioned/asked for before, but I was wondering what would be involved/how difficult it would be to have an "abstain" button in the UN votes?

In the discussions on the forums, some people say they are going to abstain, but there is no way to indicate this. And although you could infer from the records that if 10,000 voted yay, and 10,000 voted nay then (ish) 17,000 abstained, but it is possible that some people just didn't see it, or forgot to vote.

I realise this won't add much to the game, but I just thought I would ask :}
Hersfold
04-12-2004, 01:10
I don't really see the point... they just say they're not voting, and don't click a button... it's not really needed. And if they don't see it, then, oh well, too bad.

Good work on the resolution, btw. (off topic, sry)
Frisbeeteria
04-12-2004, 01:31
I rather like the idea. Break it down into "Aye", "Nay" and "Meh". If the Meh's are the majority, drop the resolution where the sun don't shine and kick the author out of the UN. Either that, or remove their ability to resign from the UN. Either way, it's punishment.


Seriously though, it'd be nice to get an accurate count of who actually participates. I've abstained by absence several times, but I've "Meh"ed several times too. It'd be nice to see the difference.
Hersfold
04-12-2004, 01:35
If the Meh's are the majority, drop the resolution where the sun don't shine and kick the author out of the UN. Either that, or remove their ability to resign from the UN. Either way, it's punishment.
(laughing - we need a smiley for that) Ok, that's a bit extreme.

But, now I do sort of see a slight point to it. The point's a bit blunt, it it's a point nonetheless.

Perhaps instead, if the propoal recieves a majority of... uh, "Meh's" ( :confused: ), then it would be sent back to the proposal stage, to be re-approved? Not really defeated, but not passed, either.
Tuesday Heights
04-12-2004, 01:44
I'd love to actually see a vote count of those that would abstain, I think it would add to the character of a resolution a bit.
Hersfold
04-12-2004, 01:51
Might better show how controversial some of them are. Not just by the close vote, but also by how many people couldn't decide.

I'll probably stop posting now...
TilEnca
04-12-2004, 21:36
If the "meh" majority proposals are going to be bumped back to the approval list, I think it would be better to wait until the current proposal is either passed or rejcted before that is implemented.

Not that I have an interest in the outcome of this proposal or not - just saying :}
Tuesday Heights
04-12-2004, 22:46
I highly doubt any major upgrades are going to take place until NS II.
Hersfold
05-12-2004, 17:56
I highly doubt any major upgrades are going to take place until NS II.
Sadly, you're probably correct.

But we did get the repeals... there is a chance...
The Most Glorious Hack
06-12-2004, 15:32
I haven't talked to the Salsaman, but I don't think this is terribly likely. Partially because of the coding (that level would probably require [violet]), but also because this falls under the category of "doesn't do much to improve game quality".

In other words, unless [violet] or Sal say, "Hey, cool idea!", I don't think it's too likely.
Tuesday Heights
06-12-2004, 16:31
Hack, please stop ruining my dreams.

Just kidding.
West Tennesee
06-12-2004, 16:39
we need the abstain vote for the UN. Better have an option other than NO if you agreee in principal but goes against your countries philsophy :sniper:
Kryozerkia
06-12-2004, 16:39
This suggestion, while good is kind of pointless. If a nation wasn't going to vote in the first place, that therefore means they have abstained from it. Now, to get the number of those who didn't vote whether because they were lazy and absent or because they were undecided, just look at the number of nations in the UN and subtract from that the total number of yay or nay votes. Additionally, there would be too many cases where nothing would get done and that would set everything back to square one. Gee, that would make NS-UN like the real one, wouldn't it?