NationStates Jolt Archive

Hello,

I wanted to create a puppet or more, for intelligence collecting and roleplaying. I've always read about the horrors of UN multi violations and wouldn't dream of putting my puppets in the UN.

But I'm assuming I can still use my two computers to register and create a few puppets.

Second, can I use the same email or should I create a new email? I'd like to use an email in case I forget their passwords (which obviously I wouldn't keep the same as my actual nation).

Danke,

I have the same e-mail for all of my puppets, and operate them all on the same computer - never had any mod issues with them.

Make as many puppets as you like on as many or as little email addresses as you like. No restrictions as long as only one is in the UN (or using them to flame/harrass/otherwise break the TOS).

2 separate computers + 2 different emails. One button away from both joining the UN.

2 separate computers + 2 different emails. One button away from both joining the UN.
We have other methods for detecting UN multies besides just that. Bottom line, don't do it.

2 separate computers + 2 different emails. One button away from both joining the UN.

Press that button and in a matterof days both are ejected again. There is more than just the computer, Ip adress, emails, or even login times. I wouldn't do that, if I was you.

Not me!!!

I was responding to Mikitivity.

But really how is that different than just being two seperate players?

Not me!!!

I was responding to Mikitivity.

But really how is that different than just being two seperate players?

I, with me and roommate, have 4 computers. I could technically be on all of them at virtually the same time. HOWEVER, they're all off the same router, so they have the same IP address (or something like that to my limited tech understanding). So if I had 4 UN nations, I would be detected as UN multying.

Even if my roommate wanted to play NS, both of us couldn't be UN nations. That's just the way it goes. But Mik wasn't talking about multiple UNs, just puppets. And you can have as many puppets on computers all over the place.

Not me!!!

I was responding to Mikitivity.

But really how is that different than just being two seperate players?

Two different players could agree to vote together, endorse each other and so on, but then they might have a falling out and start playing as two players. One person is really unlikely to do that.

I, with me and roommate, have 4 computers. I could technically be on all of them at virtually the same time. HOWEVER, they're all off the same router, so they have the same IP address (or something like that to my limited tech understanding). So if I had 4 UN nations, I would be detected as UN multying.

Even if my roommate wanted to play NS, both of us couldn't be UN nations. That's just the way it goes. But Mik wasn't talking about multiple UNs, just puppets. And you can have as many puppets on computers all over the place.
the ips for computers i have seem to be diffrent

I, with me and roommate, have 4 computers. I could technically be on all of them at virtually the same time. HOWEVER, they're all off the same router, so they have the same IP address (or something like that to my limited tech understanding). So if I had 4 UN nations, I would be detected as UN multying.

Even if my roommate wanted to play NS, both of us couldn't be UN nations. That's just the way it goes. But Mik wasn't talking about multiple UNs, just puppets. And you can have as many puppets on computers all over the place.
Depends on your Internet service. When I had AOL, and I went on IE at the same time, they had different IP adresses.

Depends on your Internet service. When I had AOL, and I went on IE at the same time, they had different IP adresses.

But like the mods say, "they haf wayz" :p

So... never tempt fate. Eventually you will lose. Try for most non-UN nations, not most UN nations.

Two different players could agree to vote together, endorse each other and so on, but then they might have a falling out and start playing as two players. One person is really unlikely to do that.

Heh, I'd do that if UN multis were alllowed. They aren't, so I don't, but several of my nations are sworn enemies....

Even if my roommate wanted to play NS, both of us couldn't be UN nations. That's just the way it goes. But Mik wasn't talking about multiple UNs, just puppets. And you can have as many puppets on computers all over the place.

Don't worry! I wouldn't care to multi. I just want to squat on a corporation or two, a newspaper, and to have a puppet to really go hog wild and see what all those issue options I don't choose end up doing. :) It will be extremely obvious who my puppets are.

Can anyone speak to the issue of using computers from school/campus labs or internet cafes? Even if a UN nation-user were to log off properly from such a machine, there might be the chance that other NationStates UN nation-users might log into the same machine (in one internet cafe, I've seen three different people log into NationStates on one machine over the course of an afternoon). Could that be mistakenly perceived as UN multying on one or more users' part?

Can anyone speak to the issue of using computers from school/campus labs or internet cafes? Even if a UN nation-user were to log off properly from such a machine, there might be the chance that other NationStates UN nation-users might log into the same machine (in one internet cafe, I've seen three different people log into NationStates on one machine over the course of an afternoon). Could that be mistakenly perceived as UN multying on one or more users' part?

The mods have said before that they ignore addresses that end in an .edu, so universities are okay. (like in dorms)

I don't know that someone's brought up an internet cafe before though. I wonder how likely that is.

The mods have said before that they ignore addresses that end in an .edu, so universities are okay.We don't /ignore/ multis in universities, they just receive a little greater slack.

As for net cafes, *one* multi hit in a net cafe likely won't be acted one, but a consistent logging onto that machine from both UN nations probably will.

And this isn't exactly guarunteed - it is probably best to not log into your UN nation on a public computer.

oops! Sorry about that. Forgot the qualification to that one. Shouldn't try to write responses after getting up in the morning. :rolleyes:

I think the take home message is never intentionally log on with a UN nation to a computer (or in the same location) that you know another UN nation also uses. Oh, and read all the stickies and FAQ first. :)

But if something still goes wrong, you can always appeal and explain the circumstances. You may or may not be allowed back in.

But most likely not, as if exceptions are made, then even more requests for exceptions will be filed.

The best rule of thumb is to stick to one computer per player when it comes to UN nations.

Just when it comes to UN nations?

I assume that the mods know which is my UN nation and which nations are my puppets.

So would I really be safe to log on with my puppets from a computer that someone else was running their UN nation from? Seems dangerous.

My UN = puppet1 = puppet2 = puppet3 = puppet4 (based on logging in from the same place)

If I log in puppet3 from your computer then apparently:
puppet3 = Your UN

Then wouldn the logical conclusion be:
If My UN = puppet3, and
puppet3 = Your UN, then
My UN = Your UN, therfore we show up as multi's?

So... I believe I understand what you're saying, and I think the problem is how nations are identified.

My understanding is that UN nations are identified by the locations they log in from.
So if:
"my UN" = computer #1 AND
"your UN" = computer #2
(both computers in different locations/IP addresses)

Then both people are fine. Puppets don't matter.

But, if at any time, "my UN" logged on from comp #2, then we'd both be in trouble and subject to ejection from the UN.

Hopefully this is correct and helpful. :)

What if I have several puppets and only 1 UN nation, but my friend has a UN nation that I am taking care of for him since he can't get on that often. I don't use his to vote or anything, I just log in once in awhile to keep it alive. Is that okay?

What if I have several puppets and only 1 UN nation, but my friend has a UN nation that I am taking care of for him since he can't get on that often. I don't use his to vote or anything, I just log in once in awhile to keep it alive. Is that okay?
No. That's multi-ing. Tell him to put it in vacation mode, and he need only log in once every sixty days. You may not log into two UN nations from the same computer.

My UN = puppet1 = puppet2 = puppet3 = puppet4 (based on logging in from the same place)

If I log in puppet3 from your computer then apparently:
puppet3 = Your UN

Then wouldn the logical conclusion be:
If My UN = puppet3, and
puppet3 = Your UN, then
My UN = Your UN, therfore we show up as multi's?
Doesn't work like that. You can log on to non-UN nations from someone else's machine, even if they have a UN nation.

No. That's multi-ing. Tell him to put it in vacation mode, and he need only log in once every sixty days. You may not log into two UN nations from the same computer.

Agreed (though my opinion is non-official).

Keep in mind that UN Delegates that go inactive for even a month are a pain in the arse to active UN players, because they run up the number of endorsements we need to do anything in the UN.

My thought is a player that is only popping in once every 60 days is really around to just give somebody an extra endorsement (there are exceptions, which is why UP is advocating the vacation mode), but if you really need an extra endorsement, accept the challenge that in the real world no nation always has complete control of his / her allies. Go out and make some alliances.

The reason I really want a puppet is for roleplaying and so I can begin to document the impacts of the daily issues.

No. That's multi-ing. Tell him to put it in vacation mode, and he need only log in once every sixty days. You may not log into two UN nations from the same computer.

K. Will do.

Doesn't work like that. You can log on to non-UN nations from someone else's machine, even if they have a UN nation.

That's nice. Didn't know that. So my friend and I can play at each other's places. We just can't access our UN nations there. That makes it easier. We thought we couldn't even play our puppets at each other's places.