NationStates Jolt Archive

Yes, we know that nations are losing delegacies all across the world.
Yes, we know the cause of the problem and have a solution in place.
Yes, the nation's that have lost the delegacy REALLY HAVE lost the delegacy, and all game play may proceed as if they had lost it normally.
Yes, the secretary who seems to have forgotten that we have 2 filing cabinets of UN nations, not 1 will be fired. Unfortunately, due to her contract, we must allow her to finish her current job of updating all UN records. As soon as she finishes, she'll be fired and we'll have a more senior official go through both filing cabinets and (hopefully) fix everything. This will result in doubled issues and other effects, though I doubt that anyone will mind.


Serious questions, comments, and concerns may be posted below.

Let me be the first then

Could anyone explain how it comes that Malebolgia (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/30066/page=display_nation/nation=malebolgia) >click to view<

took over as delegate with only 4 endorsments. When the original delegate Hemophilus Ducreii (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/99135/page=display_nation/nation=hemophilus_ducreii) <click to view> has 25??

I know there is some kind of bugg or some misshapp (don't care.. its Hell we are talking about here. Such things should happen there ;) )

but what I wonder is why Malebolgia? He isn't the one closest to the delegate. I am sure there is nations OVER 4 in endorsments. Why not one of them?

So my question is.. why a nation who has almost the lowest levels of endorsments take over instead of a higher level of endorsments.

Regarding the bugg/misshap, whatever..
Just a fun occurance. Keep the game interesting.

It's just part of the bug, I believe. It seems to be making rather random nations the delegate.

Cool..

Could we ask for a regular occurance of this bug in Hell? Would be real fun. Stirring things around a bit. :D

I feel soooo connected to this bug :p

I feel soooo connected to this bug :p

Close in similarity.. but different ruling. Mods didn't say "He will not get seat back unless he can use his claws to get it"

Questions. :)

1. When you say the delegates have lost the delegacy, do you mean permanently or until it's fixed up? (ie, should/could they change their UN nation and again go for delegate?)

2. Is it only delegates that have been affected? Or have other UN nations also been put out of the running for delegate?

3. How can you tell if a nation is affected?

4. Oh, and if you have a clue, is there a timeframe on the restoration?

Thanks a lot!

Question: If you were a Delegate with one endorsment and the bug caused you to be replaced by another nation with one endorsment, what will be done about this?

Question: If you were a Delegate with one endorsment and the bug caused you to be replaced by another nation with one endorsment, what will be done about this?

Sorry to butt in Joven. you mayby want Mod answer.. but the answer is at the top of the page

Yes, the nation's that have lost the delegacy REALLY HAVE lost the delegacy, and all game play may proceed as if they had lost it normally.

Basically, it is exactly as if they have fewer effective endorsements. We do not yet know if the lost endorsements will be restored in all cases.
All UN nations have been effected
Tough to say
A few hours at most, but see caveat in note 1.

Upon next update those delegates with the most endorsements will likely become delegates again.

Okay I am a delegate. If the person who is now the delegate bans me from the region do I get my endorsements and delegacy back.

The person is unknowen to those of us who play the game in TSP.

Okay I am a delegate. If the person who is now the delegate bans me from the region do I get my endorsements and delegacy back.

The person is unknowen to those of us who play the game in TSP.

If you are ejected before the UN updates again, you will lose the delegacy permanently and whoever then has the highest endorsements will become delegate.

You say that the delegacies are empty? Well it seems that a nation with one endorsement in Germany has suddenly taken the delegacy. How can this be?
One endorsement...Our former delegate had 27. But I trust that the admin and mods have everything under control.

Thank you for your time.

The senior official has started going through the filing cabinets, we're sure that some information has been permanently lost/changed, but for the most part everything should be back to normal in approximately 2 hours.

The senior official has started going through the filing cabinets, we're sure that some information has been permanently lost/changed, but for the most part everything should be back to normal in approximately 2 hours.
Would this include past endorsement levels?

Would this include past endorsement levels?

We don't know.

If the new Delegates do not use their ejection powers (or do not have them, in my region's case) to remove the previous Delegates, will the previous Delegates get their jobs back at the next update, providing they still have more endorsements?

It should proceed exactly like a normal update. In other words, yeah, we think so.

I have to say, I feel sry for the former delegates of these regions. To them, everything has just fallen apart. Those that had regional boards, full governments, active followers...might lose everything now. Months upon months of work, down the drain, whilst some moron on for a week can come up to take over.

I have to say that, quite bluntly...this sucks. And, quite sadly, that might be the last message from the former government of the EP, under 1 Infinite Loop. It is truly sad. There goes the longest standing delegate down the drain.

EDIT: Sry, hit enter by accident. So, there is no chance that the moderators/admin of NS will take action to reinstate former delegates? Up to 2 years (I think NS has been around that long) worth of work could just go down the drain? Will any compensation be given to those who lost their NS livelyhoods?

We can always hope the temporary delegates all have good souls and they allow the "Right Thing" to occur and allow the real delegate take over. Those that are spoilers will pay for their actions. Trying to take advantage of this is wrong. Good luck to everyone.

Too bad the length of office for these delegates will likely also reset.

We can always hope the temporary delegates all have good souls and they allow the "Right Thing" to occur and allow the real delegate take over. Those that are spoilers will pay for their actions. Trying to take advantage of this is wrong. Good luck to everyone.

Too bad the length of office for these delegates will likely also reset.

Well then, I'd say we have about an hour and fourty five minutes left....time for the waiting game. At the end of which, the history of NS will be changed in a way which it hasn't been changed....since the creation of the forums.

I have to say, I feel sry for the former delegates of these regions. To them, everything has just fallen apart. Those that had regional boards, full governments, active followers...might lose everything now. Months upon months of work, down the drain, whilst some moron on for a week can come up to take over.

I have to say that, quite bluntly...this sucks. And, quite sadly, that might be the last message from the former government of the EP, under 1 Infinite Loop. It is truly sad. There goes the longest standing delegate down the drain.

EDIT: Sry, hit enter by accident. So, there is no chance that the moderators/admin of NS will take action to reinstate former delegates? Up to 2 years (I think NS has been around that long) worth of work could just go down the drain? Will any compensation be given to those who lost their NS livelyhoods?

No compensation will be made. However, Loop still has many more endorsements so should regain his position as soon as the bugs have been fully eliminated. Apparently, the bug is a bit more tenacious that we originally thought.

A head's-up on the UN proposal queue:
As the UN currently has 1,608 Regional Delegates, a proposal needs 97 approvals to achieve quorum.
This number is down dramatically due to the Delegate bug. It was 137 yesterday. If a proposal sneaks through behind the legitimately Approved " Nuclear Terrorism Act" (153 approvals at present, probably lost some), I think serious consideration should be given to removing it from Quorum.

No compensation will be made. However, Loop still has many more endorsements so should regain his position as soon as the bugs have been fully eliminated. Apparently, the bug is a bit more tenacious that we originally thought.

Oh well. I didn't expect any diffirently. I do understand that trying to reinstate former delegates would be extremely difficult, if not hectic, especially with the lost of UN files, and the possible deletion of UN Nation records.

But just because I understand it doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't blame the NS admin, no, but this is, quite frankly, disgusting.

And, on the other hand, extremely fun. I haven't had this much excitement on NS in quite awhile! I gotta say, whatever filing assistant did this either is a complete moron, or an extremely smart person! Seriously, everything in NS is now up for grabs! It's great! What I thought I'd missed due to my inactivity I can now experience for myself!

I just hope to God that most of those who got delegate positions live in the US, Canada, or Mexico, and thereby are sleeping so that they can wake up for school/work tommorow.

And, so, the waiting and hoping game continues..

Welcome to the K-T boundary event of NationStates.

One day the asteroid comes. Bad for the dinosaurs. Good for the mammals. Life goes on.

Bad for the dinosaurs?

Somehow, I get the idea us older members of NS are in deep crap.

Deep, deep crap... I'm just glad my region's new delegate doesn't have banning power. Never even heard of the guy before! Good luck on getting things back to normal, and no one blames you guys, mods.

Well, I think this is stupid, and it should be fixed soon.

It's looks like regions are going back to normal after update. :D The South Pacific and The West Pacific have gone through update and the delegates are back.

It's looks like regions are going back to normal after update. :D The South Pacific and The West Pacific have gone through update and the delegates are back.

Yeah, but it just updated and I didn't get back the 12 endorsements that I spontaneously lost...time for another 3 hours of midnight diplomacy to get my delegateship reinstated. :(

And I'm still down 200 endorsements over in the North Pacific. Hardly what I'd call 'back to normal'.

And I'm still down 200 endorsements over in the North Pacific. Hardly what I'd call 'back to normal'.

Well at least you're still in power Syd. All the delegates of feeder regions are back. The smaller regions probably had a shakeup somewhere.

But if all nations were affected somewhat equally in terms of percentages, then the playing field is level. Everyone got reduced in their endorsements. It just looks really impressive when you had close to 500 to start with. :)

The government of the Pacific, tough as rock, has survived this futile attempt to overthrow it :)

The RR has also been restored.

So Sal, just what exactly happened? You keep mentioning these filing cabinets... did a virus come in and delete or corrupt one of them?

Naw, the secretary just forgot to look through one of them. This means that no nation listed there was updated AND they weren't considered to be in the UN when electing delegates or evaluating the validity of endorsements. So, if Nation A was endorsed by Nation B (who got the bug), Nation A will lose that endorsement.

I have to say, I feel sry for the former delegates of these regions. To them, everything has just fallen apart. Those that had regional boards, full governments, active followers...might lose everything now. Months upon months of work, down the drain, whilst some moron on for a week can come up to take over.

I have to say that, quite bluntly...this sucks. And, quite sadly, that might be the last message from the former government of the EP, under 1 Infinite Loop. It is truly sad. There goes the longest standing delegate down the drain.

EDIT: Sry, hit enter by accident. So, there is no chance that the moderators/admin of NS will take action to reinstate former delegates? Up to 2 years (I think NS has been around that long) worth of work could just go down the drain? Will any compensation be given to those who lost their NS livelyhoods?
*yawn*
Twice you use the word work. I'd just like to point out that no matter how long you have been playing this and no matter how many posts you have made, this is still a game.
Complaining about it when it is free is stupid. Asking for compensation is just plain moronic.
Have a nice day.

Ok, Sal, I get it now. Thanks.

And Scotsnations, forgive us if we post in character, even in the technical forum. If you don't like it, you do not have to post.

From President Brian:

I suppose that it will be impossible to get our dates of service fixed. Having been delegate since Febuary 2003, I was growing fond of having no "date elected" next to my name.

Twice you use the word work. I'd just like to point out that no matter how long you have been playing this and no matter how many posts you have made, this is still a game.
I agree. When you go into a game, it is assumed you know the rules. If you do not know them cause you did not read them you got punked.

NO where does it say you are entitled to a certain level of play. Might I add the mods did not anticipate the problem, but they still not only notified us, but they made an effort to correct it by initiating an additional update.

So get over it and get on with your life.

Hey Salusa is all of the regional controls and things like that turned back on. If yes why cant i get access to them.

It appears that your Founder has disabled regional controls.

This means that no nation listed there was updated AND they weren't considered to be in the UN when electing delegates or evaluating the validity of endorsements. So, if Nation A was endorsed by Nation B (who got the bug), Nation A will lose that endorsement.

Is this going to be fixed?

Is this going to be fixed?

No way to.

If those nations move out of the region and then back in, or unendorse then re-endorse, or something like that, will that allow their votes to count again, or will they have to just drop out of the UN and get new UN nations?

If those nations move out of the region and then back in, or unendorse then re-endorse, or something like that, will that allow their votes to count again, or will they have to just drop out of the UN and get new UN nations?
Just ask them to reendorse you, there shouldn't be problems with endorsements dropping anymore.

Pointe Noire:
Hey Salusa is all of the regional controls and things like that turned back on. If yes why cant i get access to them.
The Most Glorious Hack:
It appears that your Founder has disabled regional controls.
Hack, we don't think that this is true. The founder hasn't been active for 14 days, yet the delegate access to regional controls was ON just a few days ago. We believe it is an artifact of the UN bug. Can you look into it? Thanks.

Hack, we don't think that this is true. The founder hasn't been active for 14 days, yet the regional controls were OFF just a few days ago. We believe it is an artifact of the UN bug. Can you look into it? Thanks.
Couldn't the temporary delegate have disabled Regional Controls during his tenure? I seem to recall that option. Could have been a sign of good faith on his part (speaking without first hand knowledge of the delegate here), and his assumption that the founder would restore the controls later.

Couldn't the temporary delegate have disabled Regional Controls during his tenure? I seem to recall that option. Could have been a sign of good faith on his part (speaking without first hand knowledge of the delegate here), and his assumption that the founder would restore the controls later.

A delegate can't block access to regional controls.

A delegate can't block access to regional controls.
You sure? I'm a delegate, and I've got a checkbox:UN Delegate can access Regional Control.My founder's dead, so I don't know if that changes things, and I'm not interested in experimenting to see if I can shut myself out ... but I thought the same checkbox was live when the Founder was still around.

Sorry all, I meant to say earlier that the delegate access to regional controls was ON before the bug, and the founder hasn't logged on for 14 days now.

You sure? I'm a delegate, and I've got a checkbox:UN Delegate can access Regional Control.My founder's dead, so I don't know if that changes things, and I'm not interested in experimenting to see if I can shut myself out ... but I thought the same checkbox was live when the Founder was still around.

You can check it, but it won't change anything.

The UN Delegate does have the capability to lock out Regional Control to him or her-self. In most cases, it would not make sense to do this, but it has happened to my region before. A mod had to come in with a special "Region Unlockers" nation and fix it back up.

Yay, I am delegate again! I know this is probably a lost cause, but since before the bug, I was one of the few remaining delegates that still had no number of days since elected stat by their names, is there any way I could get that back? Before the bug I had no stat that said how many days I was delegate, because I was delegate before UN delegates had number of days since elected. I felt proud, because I had been delegate a long time and no-one knew the true number of days. But now I feel sad.

No, sorry, if your counter has been reset, or if you've acquired one, that's it.

A delegate can't block access to regional controls.

When was this changed then? We've been using it in defenses numerous times: when there's a founder which is located in the region we could just disable delegate access to regional controls after obtaining delegacy. Ofcourse, it's the last thing one can do as delegate at that time ;)

I do know that it's impossible to turn off RC when there either is no founder or the founder isn't in the region, but that's not the context of the question being responded to.

Ballotonia

Kritosia still waiting for a response to her original query--is it possible that delegate controls were turned OFF due to the bug? They were ON before the bug and the founder hasn't logged in for over two weeks. Thanks. ;)