NationStates Jolt Archive

Since that other thread is basically taking what I want to talk about off topic, I would like to request an improvement, by clearly posting these rules of invader/defender play, and what guidelines the mods go by when ejecting nations/dealing w/ other problems.

If you agree with me in even some aspect, please post here.

I wholeheartedly agree with that, and I'd also like to request the rules for the Pacifics, since they seem to be different than normal regions.

I would also like that if these rules are found to be unfair there to be another conference with a Moderator (or more than 1), representatives of Raiders and representatives of Defenders

Yes, I agree! We NEED clearly set out guidelines as to legalities and illegalities in invasion, for Invaders, Defenders AND Mods!

There are more important things at hand than posting rules. If people would just read them instead of clamining ignorance, this wouldn't be an issue.

There are more important things at hand than posting rules. If people would just read them instead of clamining ignorance, this wouldn't be an issue.

The rules are the most important part of the game. Without rules, all the forum problems wouldn't even be an issue. Who needs a moderator, if there are no rules?

There are more important things at hand than posting rules. If people would just read them instead of clamining ignorance, this wouldn't be an issue.

Uh... I have read through the rules. I can't seem to find the rules for the Pacifics. And where are the final rules? what post is actually the final rules? I'd be happy if you could just give an actual link.

Well... it looks like they tried. Over in moderation there's a draft proposal for invader rules. Most of it seems to be people complaining that the rules suck without saying how to imporove them, but... there was an effort made.

And as for what guidelines the mods go by when ejecting nations/dealing w/ other problems I would assume that they eject you if you cheat, and delete you if you cheat really bad. I seem to recall that you get ejected if you multi, and deleted if you grief.

And... why do you need to know their guidelines anyway? Planning to see just how much you can get away with?

I think the rules are pretty clear - and the mods deal with the loopholes when the come up. See, if the rules were rewritten every time someone complained, then, the mods would do nothing but write rules instead of enforce them.

I'm happy you seem to think the rules are clear, yet can't seem to provide a link to them. I'M still NOT clear.

My irritation in this is personally in reference to the North Pacific, where the majority of people were unaware of the griefing rules. Many still are. Everyone, mods included, should be able to point somewhere and say these are the general rules for invaders and griefing a region if you're delegate. They can have interpretations, but say that this is a gray area. Don't assume it. And if special areas (ie the feeders) have special rules, than say what those are.

Well, well, I love how nations who don't know the rules get hostile when others point them in the right direction; with the Jolt move, Erastide, all the bookmarks to the rules I have were lost, obviously.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=288255
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=321528

If you read the ENTIRE thread on the draft rules, you will see that slowly, one-by-one, the rules for invading/defending on current status are stated.

The mods have MORE IMPORTANT things to do than make another "sticky" about this with the intergration to Jolt not fully completed.

And, if all of you stopped whining about the mods making a new sticky about the rules of invading/defending/region griefing to look around the forums for a little bit, you would've stumbled across this, the rules:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=301703

I didn't mean to be overtly hostile, just frustrated. And I'm mainly frustrated over understanding what the rules are for the Pacifics, not necessarily in general.

But where are those rules on the forums? I want somewhere to point and say these are the rules, rather than having to read through 187 posts and try to figure out which suggestions were accepted and which were denied. The first post should be the current rules.

There are a lot of nations that have been kicked out of the North Pacific for no reason except their endorsements. They were clueless why they were suddenly in the RR. And then they think that was wrong/illegal and look for help. But it's not really wrong according to the rules. But if there's nowhere to direct someone to look at the rules, then they feel a bit cheated.

For example, this got posted as the rules for the Pacifics:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6553183&postcount=6

But I can't find them set down by the mods. And I have no idea where to look. I've never had any need to look it up before, and now I can't find the information that I need.

There are a lot of nations that have been kicked out of the North Pacific for no reason except their endorsements. They were clueless why they were suddenly in the RR. And then they think that was wrong/illegal and look for help. But it's not really wrong according to the rules. But if there's nowhere to direct someone to look at the rules, then they feel a bit cheated.

Unfortunately, I think if a nation has that many endorsements to threaten a Pacifician Delegate, well, they know what they're doing in the game whether they've read the rules or not.

Anyone in The North Pacific right now, understands what GB is doing, regardless of whether their nation was created today or a year ago.

I don't think anyone, right now, understands that this isn't the right time to be trying to reform/re-regulate NationStates, as the integration to Jolt isn't complete; I'm not trying to be hostile, but the rules are out there, and like it was said before, to post all these rules in the FAQ and such would take up too much time, coding, and time for loading.

Any person serious about playing any game, will seek out the rules - all of them - before they seriously play any game. Unfortunately, this game does encourage people to just "jump into hell or highwater" at the consequences of comitting a DEATable offense or finding themselves in The Rejected Realms.

No harm done, Eastride, just venting my own frustrations at this, too.

Er...

Why are we assuming that the Pacifics have different rules than any other region? Yeah, they can't password, but I thought everything was the same. The only reason delegates get away with so many ejections is because they player base is that much larger. Wasn't that the big complaint about Francos? That the 40% rule ment he could eject thousands and still not be griefing?

Coulda swore there was a thread about that in the archive somewhere...

Er...

Why are we assuming that the Pacifics have different rules than any other region? Yeah, they can't password, but I thought everything was the same. The only reason delegates get away with so many ejections is because they player base is that much larger. Wasn't that the big complaint about Francos? That the 40% rule ment he could eject thousands and still not be griefing?

Coulda swore there was a thread about that in the archive somewhere...

There's already a thread in moderation asking about the Pacifics. But, another difference is that there are no natives, so anyone can be banned permanently by the delegate. That's a major one.

And... why do you need to know their guidelines anyway? Planning to see just how much you can get away with?

No, I was just saying because it would be nice to see what moral codes the mods go by for deciding when a nation should be deleted/ reinstated/ or ejected from the UN

And thank you Tuesday Heights for all the help. You have been most helpful to moderation in this section. Only if you were a forum mod. This place would be better. I will read through all the rules and I still think they should be stickey more clearly for everyone to see.

You're welcome. :)