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This idea is mainly for those regions whose Delegates are democratically minded, or those whose Delegates vote on their own, but can't make up their minds.

I propose that a second vote counter be made visible to UN Regional Delegates only on the Resolution at Vote Page. This counter would count the number of votes in each direction within the region. This counter would be completely anonymous, and only show the number of votes. Here is sort of what it may look like:

Total Votes For: The number of favoring votes in all of NS
Total Votes Against: The number of negative votes in all of NS

Votes For in Your Region: The number of favoring votes in the Delegate's Region
Votes Against in Your Region: The number of negative votes in the Delegate's Region

Your Position: Undecided Vote For Vote Against

This would allow the Delegate to more easily see how their region is voting, and could greatly affect the way they vote, most likely better representing their region.

Please vote above, as well as post your opinions below.

I wouldn't be surprised if this required a major rewrite of the endorsement code.

Still a nifty idea though.

Ballotonia

I wouldn't be surprised if this required a major rewrite of the endorsement code.

Still a nifty idea though.

Ballotonia

It is a brilliant idea, and actually would take away many of my complaints about the game favoring dictators and the need to put warnings on endorsement swapping -- because it would make it very clear what the UN Delegates were *really* doing behind the curtain.

The reality is, in the real world, voting records would be a matter of public record (the UN shows who voted for what). Ignorance is a tool of dictatorships. The game code has been twisted to take advantage of this, and even if this is a major rewrite it would help solve many of the complaints.

Consider this ... every nation would have a variable "Current Vote". We already have "Region" or something like that, because the game knows at all times where we have our first alliance. The code that would be necessary would be to:

1) Read our region, (already does this)
2) Find the related UN Delegate, (already does this)
3) Display our vote, (already does this)
4) Display the UN Delegates vote, (already does this)

5) Sum up the votes for all other nations in the region,
6) Display them.

Might be major, but I think the problem is more related to the *computation* time. Remember, in a there could be 2,000 votes (few feeder delegates are getting the majority of the nations behind them).

Personally I like this idea. In many regions (such as my own), the Delegate's UN vote is determined by a poll on the regional off-site forum. However, a vote cannot be changed once cast on these polls. This would help the Delegate vote in accordance with the view of the region, even if it changed during the voting period.

That is actually exactly why I thought up of the idea, Goobergunchia. The North Pacific, Mikitivity's home region, (unless he has been exiled by the now notorious Great Bight - whole 'nother story) has one of those off-site forums where the Delegate is supposed to figure out the position of the region and vote accordingly. When you have dictators like Great Bight, of course, this has basically no effect. But, for those it will help, it will help greatly.

As to the computation time, it shouldn't be too much slower than the site already is. Even in the huge regions like the NP, I don't think there are any more than 1,000 UN Members, and not all of them will vote.

This has nothing to do with the UN endorsement system, however. This is for the voting on UN resolutions only.

Anyway, on the bright side, this should not, as Mikitivity said, this should not add too much to the game code. But, to get a real opinion on that, we probably need an admin to come in and check. Where's [violet] or Saluda when you need them?

BTW - a little unneccessary, but every time I post here, since it is a heck of a lot easier than it was than on the old forum, I will post an update on the poll votes. right now, it is 8 in favor and 1 against.

I try and use a poll on my off-site forum to determine my region's position, but some do not vote, and I fear I may not be reflecting the true nature of my region's thoughts on a particular issue.

I do like this idea, hopefully, Sal will put it on his to-do list once things settle down.

That's what I'm hoping. Too bad none of the mods have checked in yet... Unless you are one, Tuesday? I have no clue...

Vote is now 10 in favor, 1 against.

That's what I'm hoping. Too bad none of the mods have checked in yet... Unless you are one, Tuesday? I have no clue...

Vote is now 10 in favor, 1 against.

Tuesday Heights is not a moderator.

List of moderators (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=296993)

Ah. Stupid me. Thanks, G.

Vote now 11 to 1, still winning.

Tuesday Heights is not a moderator.

List of moderators (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=296993)

Why does everyone think I'm a Moderator? I just try to help. :headbang:

Sorry, Tuesday. Your help is appreciated. That might be why people think you are one, though.

Vote now 13 to 1

15 in favor, 1 against

Are you keeping a record of who agrees or disagrees with you in this thread? No one makes coding decisions based on democratic votes... although a vast majority of active players calling for something usually get attention around here.

I think this would be a fun addition, and very interesting to see what's going on in my various regions, but I wouldn't be asking Sal to put it at the top of his list.

I think this would be a fun addition, and very interesting to see what's going on in my various regions, but I wouldn't be asking Sal to put it at the top of his list.

My thoughts exactly.

I think it would be an excellent addition to the game, and offer new interesting dynamics ... heck, it might encourage nations to leave feeder regions and join other groups.

But the mods should be the ones to always assign priorities to their projects. Most of us don't know *exactly* what they need to do, and a large part of their job is deciding what it important short-term vs. long-term.

That is true, you two. I just want them to know with this poll and thread that it could be something to consider when they don't have anything else to do.

And I will keep track of who is against and who is not on the posts, when there is someone against it. So far, everyone who has posted is ok with the idea.

18 in favor, 1 against.


Hey! New page.

Sorry, just posting to keep this thread from becoming hidden.

Still just trying to keep this from disappearing.

I like it. Actually, I think that Pacifics shouldn't vote at all, in the current system (I am not here to make friends). I vote for it. It is awesome :cool:

Thanks for the support.

With what I assume is your vote, Carinthe, it is now 19 to 1 in favor.

Now it is 20 to 2.

Got some negative votes, but no negative posts yet...

21-4 in favor

This idea is mainly for those regions whose Delegates are democratically minded, or those whose Delegates vote on their own, but can't make up their minds.

I propose that a second vote counter be made visible to UN Regional Delegates only on the Resolution at Vote Page. This counter would count the number of votes in each direction within the region. This counter would be completely anonymous, and only show the number of votes. Here is sort of what it may look like:

Total Votes For: The number of favoring votes in all of NS
Total Votes Against: The number of negative votes in all of NS

Votes For in Your Region: The number of favoring votes in the Delegate's Region
Votes Against in Your Region: The number of negative votes in the Delegate's Region

Your Position: Undecided Vote For Vote Against

This would allow the Delegate to more easily see how their region is voting, and could greatly affect the way they vote, most likely better representing their region.

Please vote above, as well as post your opinions below.
Good idea, but also a great way to kill Salusie from carpal tunnel and code-input-exhaustion.

True, but since most of the code already exists, it shouldn't be overly difficult... And if Sal gets carpal tunnel, I'll by him a wrist brace. :D

22 to 4, and one semi-negative post (can't quite tell wich way you were going there.)

It is a brilliant idea, and actually would take away many of my complaints about the game favoring dictators and the need to put warnings on endorsement swapping -- because it would make it very clear what the UN Delegates were *really* doing behind the curtain.
Am I missing something here? I read the proposal as providing better info for UN Delegates (especially those without offsite forum polls) to inform their voting, but didn't see anything about making the delegate's voting record available to their constituents.

So I haven't voted on this poll yet.

Now that I read that again, I'm not sure what Mikitivity was tryng to say. Maybe it's out of context, but the Delegate's vote is already made known to constituents.

Anyway, this idea is to make the voting in a Delegate's own region known to them. It would be anonymous, only showing numbers for and against.

23 to 6 in favor.