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I've been noticing recently that the more liberal a naiton gets, for the most part, the higher the crime rate is. I see a whole lot of Anarchies and Capitalizts with crippling crime (which I assume is the worst) and then a lot of moralistic democracies or corporate police states with totally unknown crime. Why is this? How can I change my crime rate without changing my political tenets?

It's a problem for us. We try education and more police but for some reason- maybe because we allow pot and loud music?- our crime rate stays high.

I'm a civil rights love fest with no crime, who knows? Maybe my people are just better then yours :D

Some issues make crime higher and some make them lower - this doesn't always tally with the way your freedoms are going. Besides, more liberal nations are bound to have more crime becuase they're more free to do so.

Crime is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare.

And I'm Capitalizt. It was that way when I was Capitalist Paradise and Corporate Bordello too.

]Crime is totally unknown.

:D

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Spoffin
UN Category: Civil Rights Lovefest
Crime is totally unknown


Spoffin The Liberal
UN Category: Left-Leaning College State
Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown.


Spoffin The Reporter
UN Category: Left-wing Utopia
Crime is totally unknown


Spoffin Beta
Democratic Socialists
Crime is well under control


Just a couple of examples

Crime is well under control, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. The Zoogie People's national animal is the Cherub, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the Endless Declension.

I'm liberal...*points to Corporate Bordello.* Erm. Okay, yeah, don't know how that happened. But before, I was an anarchy, and before that, a Capitalizt with a huge liberal corrupt morass for a government (my gov't is still omnipresent, and as such, liberal)...and crime's always been low for me. Now it's well under control. Even better.

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http://alces.sel.uaf.edu/gregg/ns/nsmap.html

Rats. Here I thought Spoffin was going to show me how to vote.

Hey, I vote for police (when not tied to the military) and education all the time. What's up?

Otherwise I'm mostly libertarian, is that the problem?

Liberal Democratic Socialists
Crime is totally unknown

Well I'm a left wing utopia with no crime at all :?

Left Leaning College State -> Totally unkown

It's not so much that leftwing states have more crime, its more that a rapid move from right to left wing increses crime rate drastically. That's because you have to increase freedoms a whole lot, but your socil services and education probably won't increase as fast (not as many issues), and those are what keep crime rates low in a leftwing state.

Left Leaning College State -> Totally unkown

It's not so much that leftwing states have more crime, its more that a rapid move from right to left wing increses crime rate drastically. That's because you have to increase freedoms a whole lot, but your socil services and education probably won't increase as fast (not as many issues), and those are what keep crime rates low in a leftwing state.

I'm sorry I should have specified, but what I mean by liberal is more like Capitalizt or Anarchy, Not democratic Socialsts, or left-wing paradise. Yes, there were some good counter-examples provided, but it still seemed like as I saw my nation become more liberal, I saw my crime rate rising dramatically and for no reason.

There's a lot of factors that contribute to high crimes. Being liberal is NOT one of them.

I at first with my first nation, Brennenburg; a Father Knows Best state, approached crime with all out police force, but decided to fund education a little and now crime is "well under control."
However with my left-wing Democratic Socialist country I haven't spent a dime on police, but I heavilly funded education and crime is unknown. I think your country must have established organized crime and perhaps that is why it is so difficult to whipe it out. At any opportunity support Defense, Police, and Education to take care of crime.
I also think a part of your problem is way too much civil rights. You have to have some kind of control on your people.

Sort of surprised me, I never actually intended for my nation to be a Civil Rights Lovefest.. The crime rate is non-existant, and there are no prisons.
Hm, I guess the punishment is based on an honor system, do the crime, do the time.. In the smallest room in your house or something.. *Shrugs*

Soviet Haaregrad

UN Category: Left-Leaning College State

Civil Rights: Superb
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Excellent

Location: Socialist Paradise

The Federal Socialist Republic of Soviet Haaregrad is a massive, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its complete lack of prisons. Its compassionate, hard-working, intelligent population of 2.005 billion enjoy extensive civil freedoms, particularly in social issues, while business tends to be more regulated.

It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent, liberal government stops and the rest of society begins, but it juggles the competing demands of Defence, Social Welfare, and Commerce. The average income tax rate is 53%. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Automobile Manufacturing industry.

The government is avowedly atheist, people are now classified as male, female, or genderqueer, 'Mountain Doobie' is widely regarded as the nation's favourite drink, and the study of medicine is popular throughout Soviet Haaregrad. Crime is totally unknown. Soviet Haaregrad's national animal is the snow monkey, which is also the nation's favorite main course, and its currency is the volkredit.

Soviet Haaregrad is ranked 23rd in the region and 120,635th in the world for Highest Police Ratios.

Hm...

The Most Glorious Hack

UN Category: Capitalizt

Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Frightening
Political Freedoms: Very Good

The Semi-Autonomous Technocratic Oligarchy of The Most Glorious Hack is a massive, socially progressive nation, notable for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 2.372 billion enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases.

There is no government in the normal sense the word; however, a small group of community-minded, pro-business individuals juggles the competing demands of Education, Commerce, and Law & Order. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Information Technology industry.

Major internet servers have acquired citizenship and are voting in national elections, much of The Most Glorious Hack's computer network is controlled by a rampant artificial intelligence, anti-government web sites are springing up, and programmes of questionable content are shown at peak-hours. Crime is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. The Most Glorious Hack's national animal is the voormis, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the chit.

The Most Glorious Hack is ranked 7th in the region and 121,462nd in the world for Highest Police Ratios.

Like most stats, I think you may find trends, but not always. I've seen Anarchies with no crime, and Corporate Police States with crippling crime. I mean, look at my nation: supposedly I have no crime because of an "all-pervasive" police for and welfare, but I'm in the last 1% for police, and "notable" for my lack of welfare.

Let's hear it for code limitations, heh.

I'm sorry I should have specified, but what I mean by liberal is more like Capitalizt or Anarchy, Not democratic Socialsts, or left-wing paradise. Yes, there were some good counter-examples provided, but it still seemed like as I saw my nation become more liberal, I saw my crime rate rising dramatically and for no reason.
My nation is about a razors edge from capitalizt more often then not. Hack (with his rather contraditory nation) is a capitalizt.

Onec again, it's because you can become more liberal by increasing freedoms, which also increases crime rate. However, issues that decrease crime rate and increase "liberal-ness" (most notably education and social welfare), do not come up as often as those that increase freedoms, and don't have as much of an effect.

Real world example*: Iraq. Now that Saddam has been taken out and the US is attempting to give them a more liberal (at least in the sense we're talking about here, one with a higher degree of personal freedom), their has been an increase in crime compared to how things were while he was still in power. However, older more established nations (like the US and many nations in Europe) are equally liberal (if not more so), and yet have much lower crime rates.

*this example is meant to be used as a general example only, not a political statement. Please don't argue against points made in the example from a real world political standpoint (ie: "The Iraqi's are not more free then they were before").