NationStates Jolt Archive

(Put here at suggestion of Cog in another thread)

Ok this would only apply to the pacifics and the RR.

Version A ) the ability of the delegates of the pacifics to preemptivly ban serial spammers mainly those who repeatdly and mockingly spam ads on the pacifics. allow the spammers to plead their case in the moderation forum to the mods, who can either uphold or repeal the ban and make it so that if the person keeps up spamming with other puppets, then let them face stifer punishment at the hands of the mods.


version B ) the ability of the Delegate to delete spam from the regional message board, or silence the spammer, again these measures could be brought up to the moderators for overruling or whatnot.
if someone is silenced then all that they type would be converted to "..."

Admitadly, the simplest manner of dealing with this problem would be forbiddint spammers from hitting the pacific or making them formally ask for permission from the delegate to post spam there (what Network radion did) if you have additional suggestions please feel free to post .

also Sal, your input would be groovy

A and B give the delegate too much power, ban nations outside their regions and delete posts? No.

But I am SOOO against spam in the feeders that it isn't even funny. I would REALLY REALLY love it if the moderators would declare this regional advertising SPAM and ILLEGAL.

This has been brought up many times before, I know, but it just gets worse.

Yes, I agree that's a good idea Loop. I assume you mean all recruiters. You and I consider them spammers, but technically they are not, and the mods see it that way sadly.

Although I'd like it if it would be possible for option A to be implemrnted in all player regions which have the nation list as <--MANY--> (founder if there is one delegate if they can access control), and B to be availible to all founder/delegates wth RC.

Only problem I can see is that Francos might use B to pull messages refuting his propaganda.

A and B give the delegate too much power, ban nations outside their regions and delete posts? No.

But I am SOOO against spam in the feeders that it isn't even funny. I would REALLY REALLY love it if the moderators would declare this regional advertising SPAM and ILLEGAL.

This has been brought up many times before, I know, but it just gets worse.
That would be the best way to slove the problem.

But that would go in Moderation

I'm thinking that perhaps a player petiotion to [violet] would be in order.

Let's ban spam in Europe too.

ANd Unfree, Option A has checks and balances.

Only problem I can see is that Francos might use B to pull messages refuting his propaganda. Yeah, that's what I meant. And don't stop at Francos, every delegate would. I wonder what loop would do if I posted "1 Infinite Loop is a tyrant!" on his boards :twisted:

(just...kidding...)


Spam in Europe is already illegal. And Option A would create the same amount of mod work that simply declaring these things illegal would.

it could be made to log all deleted messages with the mods,
I suggest these only for the Pacifics as they cannot simply lock spammers out with a password, they need somethign ti make up for the lock being taken away.

Only problem I can see is that Francos might use B to pull messages refuting his propaganda. Yeah, that's what I meant. And don't stop at Francos, every delegate would. I wonder what loop would do if I posted "1 Infinite Loop is a tyrant!" on his boards :twisted:

(just...kidding...)


Spam in Europe is already illegal. And Option A would create the same amount of mod work that simply declaring these things illegal would.

look at the EP offsite forum, there is a pinned topic called just that.

I dont silence those who complain about me, I only want to be able to silence thsoe who spam.

I know, that's where the idea popped into my head from. I did add the just kidding part, because my point was only that the power would be very much abused, not trying to pick on your policies in particular.

I do not want to ban spam.

Instead, I want to allow recrutiment posts once per day per player, to be enforced by warning and eventually Deation by mods.

well here is my point, the game play forum is partially for recruitment.


Regional publicity and PR, in the form of, but not necessarily limited to:

* Region Directories / Recruitment.
* Regional Forum / Website Directory.




this being said, they should be forbid from bugging us in the pacifics just because we are feeder regions, we cannot password our regions to keep immigrants out, so we need some sort of protection from annoying recruiters/spammers.

Feeder regions are special in that they are the (re)-entry into the game. Recruiting is a natural thing to do in those regions, and those who voluntarily set up camp in one of those regions should learn to live with it. It's part of the region's nature, and hence should be part of the decision to remain there. Those who do not wish to see recruitment 'spam' can always join (or start) a non game-created region.

The powers suggested for delegates go IMHO too far. The pre-emptive banning will be used as a tool in invasion/defence as well, not improving matters at all. The ability of a delegate to remove posts from the Civil HQ makes abuse of powers much more 'silent' and devious. This game is based on interactions, and such a feature actually removes interaction as opponents can simply be silenced as 'spam'.

Ballotonia

Spam in Europe is already illegal. And Option A would create the same amount of mod work that simply declaring these things illegal would.
I know, but it's not enforced.

For a player to deal with it we have to catch the spam, have a mod verify it, and then report it with a link, and since usually about 1-3 of the messages on Europe's board at any given time, it's not worth it unless the rules on ad spamming in player regions are strengthened form a slap in the wrist to DEATion on sight and warning for the puppetmaster.

For a mod to deal with it they would have to log on frequently first to a European puppet then to the Mod Centre to see if somebody submitted a report on it and t tag a warning.

I think that I'll go post a thread calling for stiffer advert penalties in Moderation.

Feeder regions are special in that they are the (re)-entry into the game. Recruiting is a natural thing to do in those regions, and those who voluntarily set up camp in one of those regions should learn to live with it. It's part of the region's nature, and hence should be part of the decision to remain there. Those who do not wish to see recruitment 'spam' can always join (or start) a non game-created region.
I must disagree with you on this. Very often players like to stay in their native regions where they are familiar, and should not be punished by doing so.

The powers suggested for delegates go IMHO too far. The pre-emptive banning will be used as a tool in invasion/defence as well, not improving matters at all. The ability of a delegate to remove posts from the Civil HQ makes abuse of powers much more 'silent' and devious. This game is based on interactions, and such a feature actually removes interaction as opponents can simply be silenced as 'spam'.

The banning has a counterweight, I assume that the messages could also have a counterweight plus I assumr that they would leave a line in the happenings.

At any rate, I'd really love option for founders of player regions.
Every so often some moron with a tiny region decides that it is just fine and dandy to advertise in the middle of our conversation, whereapon, almost without fail, another recruiter takes the cue and ads a second advert partway down.