NationStates Jolt Archive

Is it at all possible to get a nations name, that used to exist. I really wanted Bessarabia, it is the former home of my grandmother, but apparently someone up and decided to take the name, and get it deleted. :(

Im pretty sure the mods have no intentions of releasing ex-nations to re-use.
There was a thread a while ago, I cant find it now though, sorry.

they should really change that. Mabey, it can be a awarded case-by-case.

They have their reasons. As far as I remember the logic went like this.

Nations that were deleted due to acivity, well they could return at any time, and there is no way to set a fair limit on when they have to be back by to re claim nations.
If it was six months, what if they turn up after six months and a day?

Nations deleted for rule breaking . . . . well there is a chance hat the offender would be the one getting it back, and if anyone else did, there would be nagative associations with the name.

I was wondering, if a region is created and then dies, can another nation create a region with the same name? Or when a region's name is taken does the name die with the region, like a nation's name?

I was wondering, if a region is created and then dies, can another nation create a region with the same name? Or when a region's name is taken does the name die with the region, like a nation's name?
Unlike a nation, a Region can cease to exist and be refounded immediately (after the update) with the same name. That's the recommended method of reinstalling a founder, in fact.

Yeah I would love to have the nation Loop, but it is a dead nation.

Nichevo.

Could the moderators reply here? i would like to hear their reasons

Could the moderators reply here? i would like to hear their reasons
Good idea. They only answer this a couple times a month.

The reasons are basically what Siwasi Aman said, some of th mods like Hack go into long detailed explainations in order to back things up with specific examples.

I don't see why it matters. They won't release the names. End of discussion. It has been discussed frequently, and the answer remains the same. [violet] finally made the ruling publicly on one of those threads.

They only answer this a couple times a month.
I don't think it comes up quite that often, but it has come up quite a few times that I can remember.

They only answer this a couple times a month.
I don't think it comes up quite that often, but it has come up quite a few times that I can remember.
Back in December it came up almost daily, so I exagerrated the current status a tad.

The reasons are basically what Siwasi Aman said, some of th mods like Hack go into long detailed explainations in order to back things up with specific examples.

Yeesh... kinda putting me on the spot here. I wasn't planning a longwinded responce, and now I feel like I have to provide one.

But I won't.

Essentially, it boils down to the fact that it's impossible to come up with an equitable method to release names. People have suggested time based methods, post based methods, combinations, etc. All of them have major problems, especially when dealing with "well known" nations.

An example: Darkskye. Well known roleplayer, rather active, dead for about 7 months from inactivity. He did come back, and got his nation. With the 6 month release, someone could have taken that nick, and he would have been out of luck. Furthermore, older role-players would think they're talking to the original Darkskye, not the imposter. While not the same as nation stealing, it's kinda similar.

Same thing for more... notorious members. Today's example is TextPeople, who ended up getting slapped with an IP Ban. I think it's pretty understandable that if some random person came on with that name, he wouldn't be given a fair shake. Likely, he'd be deleted on sight before someone looked up and said, "Oh, wait... that's not the real one..."

(Side Note: The fact that words like "imposter", and phrases like "the real one" are so easily used shows the connection that comes with nation names.)

Time's no good, as the Darkskye example showed, so some people have considered post counts. That's no good either. Some people want their puppets back, and may even been known for their puppets, and would want them back, even if they have 0 post counts. Also, post counts are far too forum-centric, ignoring highly active people on Regional boards, or off-site boards.

Another example: Distributed Thought created some very useful, and well crafted threads. In fact, his thread about 'Graphical Representation of Un Categories' was the first thread to be archived, by no less a "person" than [violet]. Clearly, he was an important contributor. But... most of his threads have been lost to purges, so he only has a few to his name. Clearly though, letting that name go wouldn't be right.

So where's that leave us? Worthless one-offs that have autodeleted that nobody's familiar with. But who decides that? I mean, has anyone here heard of Rogukan? North Lumbar? I'm sure you haven't, but they belong to my brother. Nobody but me and him have heard of them, but if someone else claimed them, I, at least, would be exceptionally confused. I'm sure most everyone can think of nations that fall under this example.

Finally, say we release North Lumbar to PlayerX who wants it. A month later my brother decides he wants it back. Who gets it? PlayerX or my brother?

While releasing names is a noble idea, it's pretty much completely unworkable. So, no, there are no plans to release names.

Yeesh... kinda putting me on the spot here. I wasn't planning a longwinded responce, and now I feel like I have to provide one.

But I won't.

Guess I lied.

Hm. I should save that responce and make it a stock responce.

Actually, I just didn't like that I posted that mess, and the thread promptly sunk.

Hm. I should save that responce and make it a stock responce.

Actually, I just didn't like that I posted that mess, and the thread promptly sunk.

When a question gets thoroughly answered, no further responses are needed. It's when a mod leaves more questions than answering that people keep replying. So, the thread sinking means you did a good job ;)

Ballotonia

When a question gets thoroughly answered, no further responses are needed. It's when a mod leaves more questions than answering that people keep replying. So, the thread sinking means you did a good job ;)

Ballotonia

Well, yeah, but the fear is that either A) people glazed over part way through, or B) never bothered to follow-up. Guess I was hoping for the author to respond.

Oh well. I'll find use for this somehow.

I hope ex-nation's names are never released because I can see myself comming back in 10 years to revive TROUSRS.

Darkskye came back? :shock:

When did he leave again?

I'd always wanted to meet him, but the nation search turns up nothing. Neither does the search for "Darksye" (Which is what I'd previously thought his name was).

I hope ex-nation's names are never released because I can see myself comming back in 10 years to revive TROUSRS.
I hope that I remember to write myself an autologgin script so that when I finally leave NS I can stick all my nations in vacation mod and autologgin, thus preserving the creation dates (the few that haven't been ressurected that is) until I get back. :twisted:

Darkskye came back? :shock:

When did he leave again?

I'd always wanted to meet him, but the nation search turns up nothing. Neither does the search for "Darksye" (Which is what I'd previously thought his name was).

Well... I'd have to dig and look, but it was in November or December, and it seems that he remembered why he left and allowed his nation to re-auto-delete, I'm afraid.

A post or two of his might still be bouncing around on the forums tho. You could always seek out fossil evidence, heh.

Well, i cnnot find it in the help right now, and the forum search does let me search for authors only.

What i need to find, is how someone can get his deleted nation back. A friend of mine founded a similar named nation, but rather had his own nation back (with custom title...).

So, my question is how and where?

Big thanks in advance (although in character, it would mean that he's gonna be out there to kill me....)

Enjoy!
Krulle


Edit:
Thanks, my question has been answered!

I hope ex-nation's names are never released because I can see myself comming back in 10 years to revive TROUSRS.

lol now that will be wild, as I can see myself stil sitting here with a 10 year old nation, saying hi to all the folks who logged on to see if the game is stil around.lol