NationStates Jolt Archive

OR NUMBERS!!!!

I'm sick of seeing lame crap like. "The United States of =====America"

They hog the top of the listings and discourage creative names.

OR NUMBERS!!!!

I'm sick of seeing lame crap like. "The United States of =====America"

They hog the top of the listings and discourage creative names.




I have never seen that happen, and they don't hog the ranking old nations do, :?

Without those, the top of the alphabetical list would probably be made up of nations like:
Aaa
Aaaa
Aaaaa
Aaaaaa
Aaaaaaa
(etc...)

Ballotonia

Yes this raises an important issue. Not quite sure of how to fix it though. But I am also tired of dumb region names. You go to the list of regions and it's like....


0
00000
00000000000
00000000000000000
000000000000000000000
00000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Your absoloutly right. But the region list is more like.
0
00
000
0000
00000
000000
0000000
00000000
000000000
0000000000
00000000000
0000000000001
My God, a 1!!! How original! This problem should be fixed, but how could it be done?

IMHO the only way to solve it is to avoid alphabetic order listing. There are other possible choices like population/number of countries, date of creation, or even random...

Anything that is not related to the name or another variable that can be directly modified by the user.

So what you're saying is that a person is not allowed to name his or her nation whatever they want, and now have to follow rules in naming? Will you pass rules about the lettering in mottos next?

~Bas

They can name their nation whatever they want (or almost: there are already rules, aren't there?)

It would just have no incidence on the order in which they appear.

IMHO the only way to solve it is to avoid alphabetic order listing. There are other possible choices like population/number of countries, date of creation, or even random...

Anything that is not related to the name or another variable that can be directly modified by the user.

The way the data is stored makes things like this very difficult.
Had Max known NationStates would be so popular, he would have probably used an SQL database.

So what you're saying is that a person is not allowed to name his or her nation whatever they want, and now have to follow rules in naming? Will you pass rules about the lettering in mottos next?

~Bas
You know they got rid of spaces before and after names for this very reason, don't you? :?

So what you're saying is that a person is not allowed to name his or her nation whatever they want, and now have to follow rules in naming? Will you pass rules about the lettering in mottos next?

~Bas
You know they got rid of spaces before and after names for this very reason, don't you? :?

No, they disabled spaces before or after names so that people couldn't make a nation look like another nation. Like "Unfree People ". The only difference is that there is a space there. I doubt someone would notice the space, as it would show up as this on the post-

Unfree People

This avoids confusion.

~Bas

OR NUMBERS!!!!

I'm sick of seeing lame crap like. "The United States of =====America"

They hog the top of the listings and discourage creative names.
Only the "-", letters, and numbers can start a nation name, peionds were removed entirely, and spaces and underscores may no longer start or end a nation name.

Removeing the ability of "-" to start or end a nation name would merely lead to nations named things like "0000" starting nation listings, as pointed out, and instead of having, say "-America-" you would have "A m e r i c a", "A-m-e-r-i-c-a", etc.

No matter what you do, emulation of IRL names in whatever way possible will continue.

You can use original names for every one of your puppets, but please let the rest of us chose how we name our nations, as long as it is not confusing. :x :evil:

It won't work anywhen, people will always find a way around it.

Actually those should already be banned.

at least I thought they were.


=-=-=
Loop,
The One and The Prime.
His Holiness the Lord High Protector/Executioner
My current flag
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/1_infinite_loop.jpg

Hail, Hail the Lord High Executioner!

Actually those should already be banned.

at least I thought they were.


=-=-=
Loop,
The One and The Prime.
His Holiness the Lord High Protector/Executioner
My current flag
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/1_infinite_loop.jpg

Hail, Hail the Lord High Executioner!
Hyphens? Periods were banned, spaces and underscores partially, but not hyphens.

Hmm. If yo uwant to get around the

aa
aaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaa

bit, you could require that all nation and region names contain no more than double letters. I can't think of a single word in any language that has a three of the same letter consecutively.

This way, the topmost alphabetical region is aabbccddeeffgg.

This will probably never be implemented, but it is a thoght for anyone who cares ^-^.

Regardless of what naming rules there are, people will regard being on the first page of the listing (in whatever order it is placed) as something special, and will hence create regions and/or nations to be on it.

If this is not wanted, one way to avoid this is to change the order per update. Like, keep it alphabetical, but start at a randomly selected region. From that point on to z, and than start back at 0 until you're back where you started. I have no idea how easy or difficult that would be. I do know a bunch of people in region 000 would not be happy about it, and this way you're still likely to have the first page be filled with small idle regions.

Note: if the list were to be ordered by number of nations in it, expect some people to fill up regions with a large number of puppet nations just to make it to the first page.

Ballotonia

IMHO the only way to solve it is to avoid alphabetic order listing. There are other possible choices like population/number of countries, date of creation, or even random...

Anything that is not related to the name or another variable that can be directly modified by the user.

The way the data is stored makes things like this very difficult.
Had Max known NationStates would be so popular, he would have probably used an SQL database.

Don't understand this. Surely the NS data is stored in a mySQL database?

I can't think of a single word in any language that has a three of the same letter consecutively.

there was a german word with fff in it.

I can't think of a single word in any language that has a three of the same letter consecutively.

there was a german word with fff in it.
Some nationalities in Qaaolchoura have the triple "aaa" in them. I assume we have other words with triplicate and possibly quadruplicate letters in them, although I haven't finished writing it yet.

Don't understand this. Surely the NS data is stored in a mySQL database?

Nope. There's a thread somewhere a while back where I kept pestering Sal with questions about it, and it turns out that the data is simply stored in a whole bunch of flatfile tables, which are simply processed serially. Hence there are no simple SQL statements that could be executed, there's no indexing (I assume) and this all adds up to making any new way of ordering the data both processor and code intensive.

perhaps set the server to automatically look for the first letter and alphabitize by that if there are multiple numbers preceeding the name, also would apply to multiple letters.

ie,

1 Infinite loop would be sorted by the number 1
01 Infinite Loop sorted by 0
00 infinite loop sorted by I
00000000000000000000000 Infinite Loop would be sorted by I

However
0000000000001 Infinite loop would be sorted by I as well, since the 1 would appear as part of a list of repetive numbers
as

A Infinite Loop woudl be sorted by A

however AA Infinite loop woudl be sorted by I

also it woudl have to over look symbols and spaces or underscores.


would require a little coding, but would eliminate the annoying Internet habit of Position Whoring, kinda like how on Fark.com posting First post, or some sort of similar message (mispellings ect) will result in yout post being off set by 10 hours, and First post changed to "Boobies".

Neat idea Loop, but...

If "0000000 Loop" and "000000000 Loop" are both sorted by 'L', which one goes first?

No, they disabled spaces before or after names so that people couldn't make a nation look like another nation. Like "Unfree People ". The only difference is that there is a space there. I doubt someone would notice the space, as it would show up as this on the post-

Unfree People

This avoids confusion.

~Bas
Actually, HTML automatically compresses multiple spaces. That means that multiple spaces in the name looks exacly the same as the original, except when the space is at the end of a name and followed by a period. Quote this post if you don't believe me ;)

Neat idea Loop, but...

If "0000000 Loop" and "000000000 Loop" are both sorted by 'L', which one goes first?

possibly by the number of O's
although I doubt folks will really want to clone that many me's

possibly by the number of O's
although I doubt folks will really want to clone that many me's

There's also the names which are nothing but a sequence of the same characters. It's a more complicated scheme for sorting, but I don't see how it would prevent silly names. There's still that first page which will likely be filled with whatever garbage names are required to get on it.

Ballotonia

Don't understand this. Surely the NS data is stored in a mySQL database?

Nope. There's a thread somewhere a while back where I kept pestering Sal with questions about it, and it turns out that the data is simply stored in a whole bunch of flatfile tables, which are simply processed serially. Hence there are no simple SQL statements that could be executed, there's no indexing (I assume) and this all adds up to making any new way of ordering the data both processor and code intensive.

:shock: No wonder the suggestions for making the UN stats available etc... are such a headache.


I'm shocked!!!

I can't think of a single word in any language that has a three of the same letter consecutively.

there was a german word with fff in it.

And the French feminine adjective "créée" has three consecutive Es. ;) But you do make a good point.

IEEE is a good name, in my opinion.

Problem is that things which look like garbage in one language can actually be meaningful in another. Or be an abreviation of some sort.

One of my fave Dutch words to amaze foreigners: koeieuier.

Ballotonia

:P funny, never thought of it.

Welllllllllll speeking from a nation of dislexic Anarchic nutters who cares.....

OR NUMBERS!!!!

*Gets on her soapbox*

I'm sick of seeing lame crap like. "The United States of =====America"

They hog the top of the listings and discourage creative names.

Being one of the nations in question, I felt I had to weigh in. When I signed up for NationStates initially, I sat here for twenty minutes trying to come up with a good name, but the ones I really really wanted were, of course, taken. And by nations that no longer exist! I'd do a search, and it would come up "No nation exists by this name" or something to that effect. So as a last resort, I used the name of an RPG character I once played, and that, of course was taken. Trying very hard not to bash my head into my keyboard, I yelled "screw it!" added the dashes, and went for a drink.

Anyway

It wasn't for the glory at getting my name at the top of the list for anything, or even that I just slapped on the first name that came to mind. I was trying to be creative, but it failed. Believe me, if I could make this nation without the dashes, even having to start all over, I would. So I guess, maybe, if this hasn't been addressed a half a billion times before, it would be a good thing to recycle old nation names that aren't in use any more. If that's possible. (And save just plain old Arynth for me :oops: )

*Puts soapbox away*

One of my fave Dutch words to amaze foreigners: koeieuier.

Ballotonia

Isn't that spelled "koeieNuier" now?

One of my fave Dutch words to amaze foreigners: koeieuier.

Ballotonia

Isn't that spelled "koeieNuier" now?

1 koe, 2 koeien, not 2 koes. :wink:

One of my fave Dutch words to amaze foreigners: koeieuier.

Ballotonia

Isn't that spelled "koeieNuier" now?

1 koe, 2 koeien, not 2 koes. :wink:
Consecutive, not excessive. But just to add a bit of closure:most vowels: papegaaieëieren, kraaieeieren, koeieuier
most consonants: slechtstschrijvende, angstschreeuw
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Err...define common useage. I've never heard it used down the pub.

OR NUMBERS!!!!

I'm sick of seeing lame crap like. "The United States of =====America"

They hog the top of the listings and discourage creative names.

I have to say that I am agree with what you say. I respect the fact that they have the right to do that, but the name is not pronouncable and basically it is just plain annoying.

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanicconiosis is the longest word in common useage


Err...define common useage. I've never heard it used down the pub.

You're obviously visiting the wrong pubs. Using this latin term for black lung disease is a good substitute for the floccipoccinihilipilification of sobriety tests. :P