NationStates Jolt Archive

Congratulations! You've gotten the "This Page Can Not Be Displayed" error! But what does it mean? This thread will *hopefully* answer your questions about it before you start a topic in here about it.

Q: What does "This Page can not be displayed" mean and why do I get it so much?

A: This is the server being over loaded and crashing. The server, as it may surprise you, is pretty good. Pretty good at doing what it was supposed to do, that is. You see, the server is only made to host the forums, not the whole nation aspect of the game. Sometimes (At it's peak level), it'll simply give up and crash.

Q: Is it just my computer, or does everyone have to deal with it?

A: Everyone has to suffer. When you can't get the forums, everyone else can't get the forums.

Q: Can you fix it?

A: Good news! :D The server problems will be fixed as soon as we move over to Jolt (www.jolt.co.uk)! Read on for more details that were released in the Max Barry interview-

<Melkor> ok heres another one
<Scolopendra> From Goobergunchia: "What are the upcoming plans for improving the forums?
<MaxBarry> lol
<MaxBarry> A very good question. :)
<MaxBarry> The funny thing with the forums is that I really just stuck it on the game as an afterthought
<MaxBarry> I thought, "I guess people might want to talk about their nations, so I'll add a bulletin board"
<MaxBarry> And they've been so popular that, well, they've really struggled in terms of reliability
<MaxBarry> Despite everything we've tried to do to keep them responsive, they've been getting worse and worse
<MaxBarry> However, I have some good news on this front :)
<MaxBarry> For the last few months I've been talking to a British gaming company called Jolt
<MaxBarry> www.jolt.co.uk
<TheSLAGLands> [/shamelessplug]
<MaxBarry> At first about creating a sequel game, NationStates 2, but then also about this game
<MaxBarry> Jolt run a variety of online games at the moment, and have the kind of juicy hardware and bandwidth that we need
<MaxBarry> We've come to an agreement whereby they'll code up and manage NationStates 2, based on my plan for it
<MaxBarry> And they'll also take on hosting of NationStates 1
<MaxBarry> I.e. this game :)
<MaxBarry> This means that while NationStates will remain essentially the same, it will have professional level hosting
<MaxBarry> and WORKING FORUMS
* Menelmacar|Siri yays!
* Reploid_Productions cheers
<Neutered_Sputniks> Told ya guys it was comin :P
<MaxBarry> which will be a relief to most of you as much as it is to me
* DreadLadyNathicana cheers loudly!
<MaxBarry> Jolt and I are in the process of getting ready for moving the game across right now
<[violet]> And of course, when we make the move, the site will be down for a few days to make sure we move everyone's nations properly
* Scolopendra holds up the "APPLAUSE" sign.
* Menelmacar|Siri applauds.
* Treznor applauds wildly!
<Karmabaijan> OK! Thanks for the question Goober, some big news on the forums front!
<[dredd]> Finally.
* MaxBarry snickers.
<TheSLAGLands> Oh, and if I may supplement here, Max...
<TheSLAGLands> Will the Jolt initiative cost money for the players of NationStates 1?
<MaxBarry> No, it's the same game, same setup, just on a different host
<Pergutoria> yay
* Melkor yays

Q: Why not start a donation service to take money and buy a better server?

A: This can be best explained by Sal-

We know about the level of interest, and this idea has gone all of the way up the ladder to Max, himself. He decided not to do this now, because he won't accept donations unless he can guarantee that they will go directly towards improving the server (and be successful in that), and he is unable to guarantee that at the moment.

Basically, he knows that you want to donate money, but he won't accept it until he is positive that it will go directly to (and be successful at) what it is intended for.

Hopefully this will reduce the amount of questions about this. If I left anything out, please tell me. I'd also like a sticky request on this.

~Bas

Version 2
Added- The Jolt announcement :D

Well done, Bas. :)

Danke. :)

Yayyy! Go Bas. Hopefully this will help those confused over the server trauma.

-Toast

Indeed, Toast. :) Thanks.

Official Goobergunchian Seal of Approval
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Wow...so far so good. :o I wonder what Qaal has to say about it. :P

Qaal says.... "How many times do I have to tell you, it's 'Qaaol'!"

Er, ahem, *coughs innocently*. Hopefully this will be read by those who just come to the Tech forum to whine about the servers :evil:

Unfree People = Qaal (;)) 's puppet (and he just hasn't realized it yet)?

Looks good, by the way, especially for all the threads that are coming up about it recently.

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The Most Serene People's Republic of Naleth
"Life is a suicide mission"
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Getting Help Page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help)
The Tech FAQ (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81296)

Wait...hold on... :shock:

Qaal = Unfree??? :shock:

Just a temporary sticky.

Only temporary? :? Oh well, still a sticky nonetheless.

Thanks. :D

Yeah that'll do it. Works well. Thanks man!

Unfree People = Qaal (;)) 's puppet (and he just hasn't realized it yet)?:lol: indeed, this has been the consipracy of a lifetime and you finally unearthed it. Congrats!

And congrats on the sticky too! w00t!!

This or ES's over in moderation.

Yay a sticky .... temporary means your gonna fix it soon, right?

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The Most Serene People's Republic of Naleth
"Life is a suicide mission"
Shameless Plug for Adelaide (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Adelaide)
Getting Help Page (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help)
The Tech FAQ (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81296)

Now [i]there's]/i[ an optimist for you... 8)

yes, I understand, and usualy I just get over it and move one, but this is getting rediculus! This is the 1st post I have been able to make since Monday. And it took me forever to get here to post this.

yes, I understand, and usualy I just get over it and move one, but this is getting rediculus! This is the 1st post I have been able to make since Monday. And it took me forever to get here to post this.

This is peak time for the forum, so it will be terribly slow at this time. Try logging on in the mornings or very late at night. You'll find it much more responsive.

yes, I understand, and usualy I just get over it and move one, but this is getting rediculus! This is the 1st post I have been able to make since Monday. And it took me forever to get here to post this.

This is peak time for the forum, so it will be terribly slow at this time. Try logging on in the mornings or very late at night. You'll find it much more responsive.

no, you don't get it. I know those tactics. I've tried it at 9 PM, I've tried it at 8:30 AM, it didn't work until just a few minutes ago.

Its downtimes have been sporadic, its was awful when I was on about 8 hours ago, its much better now in the 'peak time'

Unfree People = Qaal (;)) 's puppet (and he just hasn't realized it yet)?:lol: indeed, this has been the consipracy of a lifetime and you finally unearthed it. Congrats!

And congrats on the sticky too! w00t!!
Yes, it's so secret that I didn't even know it. :shock:

And yeah, Bas, good job on the sticky. That has to be a record.

Unfree People = Qaal (;)) 's puppet (and he just hasn't realized it yet)?:lol: indeed, this has been the consipracy of a lifetime and you finally unearthed it. Congrats!

And congrats on the sticky too! w00t!!
Yes, it's so secret that I didn't even know it. :shock:

And yeah, Bas, good job on the sticky. That has to be a record.

yes, but I knew that you didn't know that I knew that you didn't....aw forget it.....

yes, but I knew that you didn't know that I knew that you didn't....aw forget it.....
Now it's all coming back to me.

First off, I should explain: you, who are reading this: You are the only nation on here not controlled by me.

But how do I get way with having however many 1,000 UN nations?

Simple: IAMB, IAV, IAD, IASS

Also being the all of the Game Moderators, I pass myself up in the scans, except every now and then when I get bored, and zap a couple of my multis. I ddn't actually IP my puppets such as Marathon, America inc, and JARROS but rather hid them and pretended to. They still exist hidden from the public eye.

Way back in November 2002, I hit my head on a rock, and formed several personalities. This kept up several times, with me forgetting the others, and running them subconsciosly . . . until now.

No I rememebr, and realize that you are the only IP on NS not belonging to me. Soon, grasshopper, you too

<-- Nation Deleted by NationStates Moderators for impersonation of Mods and admin (well that and about 34,000 UN Multis) -->

:twisted: :P :wink:

First off, I should explain: you, who are reading this: You are the only nation on here not controlled by me.
No, no, that's not true either. I am you, remember??


And, did you even stop to consider how much time that would take to do all this? You would have to be a machine, man ;)

Or are you?!

First off, I should explain: you, who are reading this: You are the only nation on here not controlled by me.
No, no, that's not true either. I am you, remember??


And, did you even stop to consider how much time that would take to do all this? You would have to be a machine, man ;)

Or are you?!
IAMB, I h4\/3 73h 53rv3r 2 |)0 17 4 m3. :twisted: :wink: :P

Back on topic.

I was just thinking about one thing, and this is probably not a new idea, but how would it be if two different servers worked together on this game? One for the fora and one for the rest?

Back on topic.

I was just thinking about one thing, and this is probably not a new idea, but how would it be if two different servers worked together on this game? One for the fora and one for the rest?

That would be great (No it's not a new idea), but we can't. The cost of running two servers and supplying them with broadband would break poor Mr. Barry. Servers don't come cheap... :(

Well?

Q: Why not start a donation service to take money and buy a better server?

A: This can be best explained by Sal-

We know about the level of interest, and this idea has gone all of the way up the ladder to Max, himself. He decided not to do this now, because he won't accept donations unless he can guarantee that they will go directly towards improving the server (and be successful in that), and he is unable to guarantee that at the moment.

Basically, he knows that you want to donate money, but he won't accept it until he is positive that it will go directly to (and be successful at) what it is intended for.

To explain what Sal said-

Max Barry doesn't want to start a donation system until he is sure that the donations can go into buying a new server and/or better bandwidth. Basically, he wants to put the money to use, not have it sit there and do nothing. If you want to give Mr. Barry money, go out and buy both his books. That is the only way we can give him money...for now.

Edit- Added something to the paragraph

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but

1. There will be no donations if it isn't 100% sure that it improves the server.

2. Two servers would do good but costs.

Is there an uncertainty to #2 or where is the problem? Hypotethically speaking, that is.

Could you restate what your asking in a diffrent way, please? It's still early here, and I'm half asleep. :oops: Thanks, and sorry.

Have a cup of coffee and read the last posts one more time! :wink:

Donations: Only if it is guaranteed to improve the server.
Two servers => improvement and costs

The next logical step here, would be to collect donations and put another server to work. If there is enough interest that is.

The next logical step here, would be to collect donations and put another server to work. If there is enough interest that is.

I would say that there is probably enough interest, from the members of this site, for a substantial amount of money to come through.

*Runs off for some coffee*

Ah, I get it now. :lol:

You see, the problem is that Max doesn't want to take our money unless he knows for a solid fact that the money can be used for improving the server or buying a new one.

Let's say he opens an account that accepts donations. Then let's say only a few people give a $10 each. This money can't be used for anything, so now Mr. Barry has some money that he can't do anything with.

Basically (If something like that happens), he didn't hold up to his word. He said that the servers would improve if he got donations. He got donations. But he couldn't improve the servers.

I do see your point though. If 100 people donated $5 each, that's $500. Surely something could be done with that. I'll present this to the admins through email, and give a bunch of points as to why a donation service would be good.

Yeah, well, I know that it is easy for me, sitting here saying "Hey, buy a new server.", but should it work to have two separate servers working at the same time, it might be worth some consideration.

*watching the clock*

It's 17.30 now CET (GMT+1) and I have about 1.5 - 2 hours to visit the fora. After 19.00 CET (when america wakes up and gets online) it is almost impossible for me to do so until the next day.

America is up, sir. :wink: It's 30 minutes till noon here on the east coast. Plue people have to go to school and work. Ahhh...I love homeschooling. :P Of course I don't love the long speech I have due for tommorrow. ¬_¬

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But yeah, I'll drop the admin an email right after I'm done with this speech.

It's comforting to know we all suffer...

but still it is damn annoying!

:twisted:

And he said "let the server perform poorly until they buy the book." And they bought the book, and he saw that it was good.

Which reminds me. I've reserved a copy, now I have to get down to Northampton and pick it up. . .

And he said "let the server perform poorly until they buy the book." And they bought the book, and he saw that it was good.

Lol....he doesn't keep to his promises though as I bought the book! :wink: :lol:

And he said "let the server perform poorly until they buy the book." And they bought the book, and he saw that it was good.

Lol....he doesn't keep to his promises though as I bought the book! :wink: :lol:

o.O

The forum and game are on the same server? Why is then that I've almost never had issues with the game but the forum almost never works for me? If they're on the same server would not there be the same problems?

Both the forum and game are php frontend on a mysql backend right? If they're on the same server why would one work and the other not?

It's a crayx world :(

Both the forum and game are php frontend on a mysql backend right? If they're on the same server why would one work and the other not?

That isn't a safe assumption. The forums are a PHP frontend to a mySQL backend. The game is a Perl though and through. It doesn't even use a database but uses a flat file system to store the data. The bottle neck is the mySQL DB.


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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling
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Just a quick question. I know that if the server is down, everyone is experiencing the same thing.

However, it appears that I am getting the "This Page Cannot Be Displayed" page more often than not anymore. Almost every single time I first go to get onto the forum, I get the page and it takes me a good amount of time to actually get on, that does not include getting onto a thread and making a post.

I was just wandering if some computers are more prone to getting "THE PAGE" then others. Everyone else seems to be getting on just fine, but almost every single time I go to get on, I cannot.

I know this may just be my paranoia, but I was wondering.

I have an unrelated question, I think.

It seems I have the hardest time getting to the UN, Gameplay and Moderation forums. Even at the worst periods of serverload, I don't find it especially difficult to get into NationStates, and General is only moderately tougher.

I've tried it with several browser windows open, and I can get into NS nad II relatively easily, but UN times out again and again. I've observed this in both IE and Opera, on entirely different networks, and can't think of a single reason why a mySQL backend would favor one forum request over another ... unless it was somehow designed to do so.

Anybody else having this experience? Any explanation from above?

Yeah, the server has been acting badly of late... :?

I find that really early in the morning or right after lunch (EST) are the best times for me to post. The forums are almost instaneous. :shock:

I'm on EST as well. Best times for the forums are morning, early afternoon, and late at night.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104408&start=0

I'm wondering if the forums are working good now, because noone has posted in her for a month. I usually have to reload/refresh my page 3-5 times everytime I do something in the forum, is this normal?

I'm wondering if the forums are working good now, because noone has posted in her for a month. I usually have to reload/refresh my page 3-5 times everytime I do something in the forum, is this normal?

No - the forums are most definitely not working well.

Hopefully they'll get a Jolt pretty soon.

Just as long as that Jolt doesn't transform them into vBulletin.....

I'm wondering if the forums are working good now, because noone has posted in her for a month. I usually have to reload/refresh my page 3-5 times everytime I do something in the forum, is this normal?
It's because noby has anything new to complain about. es, they've been simply awful.

It took me about 2 hours to finally get Qaaolchoura onto the forums today (Not actually getting on, there were some other things that I wanted to do first and was having trouble with). The whole game is acting up.

<---- Can not wait until we move to Jolt.

Well, that's a relief...sort of. At least I know its not just my computer being screwed up. Thank you.

Quite welcome. :)
I used to think that it was too. I have a wireless LAN, so I hardly noticed the difference. Now it's gotten so bad that I can notice the difference rather easily.

I'm even willing to suffer through several whole days of NS being down in order to get a better server.
Not that I have any choice, of course. . . ;p

Look, while we're waiting on that move, can't something desperate be done? Like giving the server one day off with an included clean up and a Long Island Ice Tea or something? It's getting rediculous... :wink:

Is the move scheduled yet or is it just on the planning stage?

Scheduled? No? Soon? Yes.

Please someone in the know, give us an update. How long until the move to jolt? Please tell us, PLEASE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD *breaks down, a weepy sobbing wreck*

I don't know a date. At the moment, we are waiting on Jolt to do a few things to there network. I'm hoping soon.

Is it up yet?

If the move has been completed, it isn't working. I'm getting the "This page cannot be displayed" error constantly!

The problem seems to be a lot worse with the forums than with the rest of NS. Perhaps the forums need two or three servers for themselves!

NS is an awesome game, but the slow server is really frustrating!

If the move has been completed, it isn't working. I'm getting the "This page cannot be displayed" error constantly!

The problem seems to be a lot worse with the forums than with the rest of NS. Perhaps the forums need two or three servers for themselves!

NS is an awesome game, but the slow server is really frustrating!

If the move has been completed, it isn't working. I'm getting the "This page cannot be displayed" error constantly!

The problem seems to be a lot worse with the forums than with the rest of NS. Perhaps the forums need two or three servers for themselves!

NS is an awesome game, but the slow server is really frustrating!

If the move has been completed, it isn't working. I'm getting the "This page cannot be displayed" error constantly!

The problem seems to be a lot worse with the forums than with the rest of NS. Perhaps the forums need two or three servers for themselves!

NS is an awesome game, but the slow server is really frustrating!

It will be very obvious when the move has taken place :wink:

Gee, surprisingly, when I hit the "Submit" button, I got the same error message. It asked me to retry to send the information, and I did...not knowing that the message had already gone through.

I'll pretend this is a general q&a thread for a moment, if no one minds...

I'm trying to change my custom flag pic, but it doesn't seem to be registering. I've hit "reload" on my page, then restarted my browser... And did it again a couple of times. Um. Help?

Is your flag within the size limits?

Is it the correct type of format?

Yes to both questions -- 107 x 71, 2K in size

I hope this is a good question for this thread. sorry if I'm in the wrong one. I noticed that our nation and many other socialist/liberal nations are all of a sudden in a state of anarchy. I am baffled at this because I have dismissed many issues as of late and cannot figure out why this has happened. All of a sudden I go from almost no crime to a hell raising freak fest! Did the currently passed U.N. resolution have anything to do w/ this Can dismissing daily issues cause freakish occurances like this? Please help if at all possible. Thank you fellow comrades!

Obiediantly yours,
The Confederation of Polish Warriors

p.s. or is this the game's sick sense of humor?

Omg! We'll Never Have These Problems Again!
Lockinated! :D