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For the last six months my economy has been stuck at imploded. Nothing I can do can change it. I've gone from Anarchy to Left Leaning College state to Capitalizt and Corporate Bordello. Imploded all the time.

I'm running my nation's evironment down trying to get my econ fixed but nothing has ever changed it.

if you try to favor both CFs and your econ, that's probably the problem. try to favor your econ over everything else

Perhaps I should reinterate, nothing is changing my economy. Nada, zip, zilch nothing. I can get the other catagories to go up and down just fine, but economic, phbt nothin.

The Atheist Republic of Khadgar is a massive, safe nation, remarkable for its compulsory military service. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 1.33 billion enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked morass -- juggles the competing demands of Education, the Environment, and Defence. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 19%. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Book Publishing industry.

Anti-government web sites are springing up, the mining industry is making inroads into environmentally sensitive areas, voting is voluntary, and surveillance cameras are banned. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Khadgar's national animal is the kaadu, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the dollar.

Khadgar is ranked 1st in the region and 206th in the world for Largest Insurance Industry.

Supposedly after you get above a few hundered, it is impossible to get your economy out of imploded.

I can't verify it since I've not tried, but others have told the same story.

Focus on things that help business... That way your economy will grow...

Focus on things that help business... That way your economy will grow...

I swear there needs to be an IQ test for admission to the internet.

I'll try to help out, but I don't think this has a particularly easy answer.

My understanding of the issues system is that the bigger a nation is, the less effect one individual issue choice will actually have on its population. Taking an example from my own nation, I inadvertently became a Corrupt Dictatorship roughly 2 months ago after experimenting with some interesting new issue choices (don't do issues, 'cos issues are bad...mmmkay). Even taking massively pro-democracy options when given a chance doesn't seem to lift me out of being a Dictatorship.

It doesn't sound like much of a solution, but the best advice I can give is to keep being as pro-business as possible and things will eventually improve. Someone with technical know-how might be able to explain the situation a bit better, but I doubt there's a quick-fix available.

When the problem started I only had a couple hundred million people, as pro-business as I can go ever since and I'm still stuck.

Well it's odd that it started that early, but there's generally a "point of no return" somewhere from which point your issue choices have very little effect.

Do issues still effect what is shown in the last paragraph?

Perhaps your issues aren't being properly processed... try moving out of your region and back in again.

Yep, issues have an effect, just not on my economy. Like I said, I've changed my UN catagory many times but the economy just won't budge.

I also wonder why my police force is called all pervasive when I've cut funding for it every single time for months on end.

And my economy is STILL boned.

The Atheist Republic of Khadgar
"Religions are just large cults!"

UN Category: Capitalizt
Civil Rights: Excellent Economy: Imploded Political Freedoms: Average

Location: Lost Lounge Archipelago
The Atheist Republic of Khadgar is a massive, safe nation, remarkable for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working population of 2.18 billion enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases.

The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked, pro-business morass -- is mainly concerned with Education, although the Environment and Defence are on the agenda. Citizens pay a flat income tax of 10%. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Book Publishing industry.

Bizarre-looking creatures called 'kaadudogs' dominate wildlife preserves, city sidewalks are crowded with overweight people, a survey of the nation’s rivers and children has shown that pesticide levels are at an all-time regional high, and senior citizens can usually be found doing heavy manual labour. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare. Khadgar's national animal is the kaadu, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the dollar.

Khadgar is ranked 1st in the region and 119,575th in the world for Healthiest Nations.

This is... odd.

In order to be 'Capitalizt', you need a pretty good amount of economic freedom in your country. Also seems your taxes are low. Hmm.

Step one would be to cut government spending. This line: "The government -- a sprawling, bureaucracy-choked, pro-business morass..." means that some of the indicators are still no good, thus your awful Economy. Pretty much any time an issue comes up that would allow to take a more "hands off" approach, pick it.

It sounds like that as time has gone by, you've consistantly increased the size of your government, and increased its control.

Like Enodia mentioned, it gets very difficult to affect changes as the nation grows. This has nothing to do with your population, however. Since most of the values in the game are open ended as you answer questions you tend to drive the values to extremes (high or low), thus making it take a long time to make a visible change.

However, it is possible. I've changed billion-plus nations dramatrically before, it just takes a lot of work.

Oh I've gone full spectrum, from anarchy tiny government to all pervasive. Doesn't change anything.

By the way, the first message I posted about this was nigh on six months ago. That's a long time of pro-business changes with no impact.

Like Enodia mentioned, it gets very difficult to affect changes as the nation grows. This has nothing to do with your population, however. Since most of the values in the game are open ended as you answer questions you tend to drive the values to extremes (high or low), thus making it take a long time to make a visible change.

Nothing to do with the population?

And why are you posting with a puppet on this thread Hack?

And why are you posting with a puppet on this thread Hack?

Eh. Because I was logged on to it at the time. Too lazy to switch.

Oh I've gone full spectrum, from anarchy tiny government to all pervasive. Doesn't change anything.

The more stuck a nation is (which your clearly seems to be) the longer it takes to affect change. Basically, I would pick a direction and stick with it. You've got a couple figures that are pretty far in the hole, and it'll take quite a while to undo what's happened. Even if you got helpful issues every day, which isn't likely.

There are other examples for this kind of Problem.

Pilon was stuck at imploded for a long time, despite doing massive pro- business choices, and having outstanding UN ratings for the economy.

However, shortly ago, he finally managed to rise his economy, though no one knows how.

The same goes (afaik) for Cetaganda, he has (or had, I`m too lazy to check if it is still the case) an imploded economy, yet extremely good UN rankings. Again, the economy is frozen, no matter what one does.

So... this problem... happens, occasionally. I`m not sure if you can get around it, I`m pretty certain that you just have to be... lucky, since apparently, the game doesn´t do what it is supposed to do (raising the economy), according to your choices in various issues.

And while it does apparently vanish, from time to time, there is no way to tell when.

Just happens, I guess. Bug, or something like that.

And yes, I know that it sucks having a shiny nation bugged :/

Ain't no bug. It is just possible to really bugger up your stats, and it takes a while to fix them. Nice and realistic, isn't it?

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On a related subject, I've turned my nation from a Scandinavian Liberal Paradise with Imploded economy to an Anarchy with Thriving economy and a pro-business government, but private enterprise is still illegal. Is the legality of private enterprise set by issues independently from the economy?

You mean once your economy hits imploded it's supposed to take a year or more to fix?

You mean once your economy hits imploded it's supposed to take a year or more to fix?

No, just that it can.