NationStates Jolt Archive

“For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction” –Albert Einstein
“Hell is the shadow of Heaven”
Just as there is a Yang for a Ying where is the UN’s, yang? (Although Einstein’s theory suggests there should be three) There needs to be some sort of organisation that directly opposes what the UN stands for so that playing an Evil nation is just as interesting.
I mean how difficult could it possibly be to make the shadow of the UN?

Huh, that's what the right-wing is for.

The UN is a speaking ground for people of all political views, an ideological battlefield.

um.. that's the third law of motion, and it was Newton who developed it. Second of all, that's for physical interactions between bodies of mass. But if the UN (in RL) had an opposing side, i think it would have to be the joint terrorist organizations like Al Quada et al.

Oops sorry, I always get confused between Albert Einstein and Sir Isaac Newton :oops: (I was always bad at physics) anyway back at the point the UN was set up to do as follows:

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and

to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and

to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,



AND FOR THESE ENDS
to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and

to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and

to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and

to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,


HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS
Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/index.html
Hmmm, Now to me that doesn't sound much like a political/ideological battlefield to me.

However, although the UN in the game is very different. It must be obvious, even to you, that the UN is a force trying to do some good in the world and therefor to a large percentage of the nations some of whom simply see it as too authoritarian, it then would be unsuitable as an organisation to join.
There fore I believe we need an opposing organisation to join then would allow some of the more ‘extreme’ nations to join.


PS I think the name should be something simple like the Confederate Nations (CN).

bump-a-de-bump

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest.

Your point being? I've already said one of the main reasons for many of the extremist nations is that it's too authoritarian, there for we need an opposite more libertarian organisation.

It's yin, not ying. :wink:
http://198.1.37.9/events/images/yin%20yang.jpg

It's yin, not ying. :wink:
http://198.1.37.9/events/images/yin%20yang.jpg

And since the yin yang principle is the motivation for this thread, I will say this: the yin yang idea claims that there must simply be two equal opposing forces. It doesn't say they must both be organized to the same extent, it doesn't say that they must look/act similar, they must simply be equal in size/power and oppose each other. Also, there must be elements of each that mimic the other: the people in the UN who oppose it, and the people not part of it who support it.

I think it was Isaac Newton who said "For every action there is an ewual but opposite reaction" I THINK it was his third law of motion.

Huh, that's what the right-wing is for.

The UN is a speaking ground for people of all political views, an ideological battlefield.

Not a mod, so this accounts for nothing. But please do not bring your personal politics inot the Tech forums. This is something akin to Trolling, and does not help a conversation.

“For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction” –Albert Einstein
“Hell is the shadow of Heaven”
Just as there is a Yang for a Ying where is the UN’s, yang? (Although Einstein’s theory suggests there should be three) There needs to be some sort of organisation that directly opposes what the UN stands for so that playing an Evil nation is just as interesting.
I mean how difficult could it possibly be to make the shadow of the UN?
As to opposition of the UN, the UN is set up to be a unifying world force to help nations get along together. Certainly many feel it fails at this, but this is what the UN is set up to accomplish. Simply work at encouraging Chaos and anarchy, and you might be on the way to accomplish this. Otherwise, simply feel free to vote on UN resolutions as you see fit, regardless of what the majority seems to support.

There are plenty of evil organizations, fascist regions, and generally malevolent individuals in NS. However, due to their very nature, there are few who could successfully unite them. They each vie for power and seek to achieve their own personal goals rather than the goals of evil and chaos as a whole. As a result, they could never be united as an organization unless one faction managed to defeat and assimilate all others through force or subterfuge.

I think there's a central point here that needs to be made. You're trying to propose a counterpoint to the UN; a body whose key principles in NS centre on implementation of international policy, and national cohesion in areas where it legislates.

The UN stands for nothing in itself, save, if you will allow, order, in that it aims to bring nations together under a single framework. The opposite of this isn't an organisation at all. It's a lack of one. Hence, the opposite of the UN; the yang to the UN's yin, are those nations not in the UN, as they represent independent government

Well perhaps there should be a badge of 'honour' that shows it's an evil nation with a permanent list of the most 'evil' countries with a forum, somewhere to back-stab, organise wars and talk about how they hate the UN etc.
Not organised just associated due to common goal.

Forget just having a UN and Anti-UN (more physics to confuse the issue).

Why not allow nations to set up their own organisations. True, you'd end up snowed under by them, but i think it would be very nice to get a group of similar thinking nations together in the game itself, rather than just the forums.

They could all vote on issues put to the organisation, just like the UN.

Of course, you could always just adjust the regions so you get region wide issues.

Southern Stars

Forget just having a UN and Anti-UN (more physics to confuse the issue).

Why not allow nations to set up their own organisations. True, you'd end up snowed under by them, but i think it would be very nice to get a group of similar thinking nations together in the game itself, rather than just the forums.

They could all vote on issues put to the organisation, just like the UN.

Of course, you could always just adjust the regions so you get region wide issues.

Southern Stars

Sounds like something planned for NationStates 2.

The UN stands for nothing in itself, save, if you will allow, order, in that it aims to bring nations together under a single framework. The opposite of this isn't an organisation at all. It's a lack of one

Mostly 100% true :D . The UN does stand for world order (under it's leadership and objective mind you), thus the oppposition would have to be rather anarchistic and for the destruction of said order. I believe such groups can align themselves, and often do. But they could not really be against World Order and be officially organized by the game... thus, the opooisite already exists in the game.