NationStates Jolt Archive

Hi,

I'm reasonably new to this game and I've just created some new nations.
If I want to move my UN membership from one nation to another can I do it in the following order:

1) Apply to join the UN as new nation.
2) Wait 24 hours for email.
3) When email is received, resign old nation from UN.
4) Click on link in email for new nation to join UN.

Or, do I have to resign my old nation before I apply with a new nation and then wait the 24 hours?

Thanks. :?:

I am not a mod... but it's probably safer to resign nation #1 from the UN, then start the process with nation #2. That way, you never have two nations in the UN. Plus, resignation is instant, membership is slow, so this way you can do everything in one sitting.

Your request will be rejected if you try to use the same email to join the UN as a nation already in the UN, so you can't do this. You have to resign with the nation that is in the UN, wait untill the update (so the UN marker in your nation is cleared), apply with the new nation, then wait for the mail.

So is it considered against the rules to use the method I stated, ie apply with nation#2 (using different email if necessary), then resign nation#1 once email is received by nation#2?

To the best of my knowledge, you can apply to the UN and be accepted with every nation you own, as long as you've only clicked the 'Join' button with one at a time. As long as Nation 1 resigns before Nation 2 clicks 'Join' I think you are fine.

To be on the safe side, resign your current UN Member and then sign your second one up. I'm not saying "you will be caught and flogged if you do it the other way round", but you run a risk of being called for cheating.

Technically speaking, when is a nation considered to be in the UN? on receipt of the email or after clicking the link in the email?
If the latter, how can it be considered cheating if you apply with multiple nations but only actually join with one (ie, click on the link in the email)?

Sorry for persisting with this but I'm quite confused. :?

i have tried this before, I tried to make my nation a UN member before the other one resigned. If you have the same email adress in both nations and you are trying to join the UN , when you apply you it will send you a telegram saying that you are unable to as you already have a UN member nation. so this way is already impossible to do (unless of course you have a seperate email adress for each nation), so obviously, I suggest that you resign your old nation from the UN before you apply for other nation to join..... and even if you had a separate email for each... i wouldn't suggest tryng it

Technically speaking, when is a nation considered to be in the UN? on receipt of the email or after clicking the link in the email?
Not sure. Some bits of the game imply that it's something which happens after you receive the email, others imply that it's after you click on the link, and still other things imply that it's a process which happens before the email itself is sent but is only finalised permanently when you click on the link.
If I'm not explaining myself very clearly, my apologies. My observations are purely ad hoc and not based on knowledge I get as a mod.

If the latter, how can it be considered cheating if you apply with multiple nations but only actually join with one (ie, click on the link in the email)?
If the latter (which is in itself a big if), then it shouldn't register as cheating by itself. The problem would be if you accidentally accepted as more than one nation. Of course, you'd need to have applied from two (or more) different addresses, since the game won't send the "welcome to the UN" email to the same address twice.

Personally, I'm a little concerned as to why you'd want to apply 2 or more nations to the UN at the same time anyway. Given that you can only have the one in there - and some would contend you shouldn't have any - then what benefit do you get from having multiple nations receiving emails allowing them to join?

Personally, I'm a little concerned as to why you'd want to apply 2 or more nations to the UN at the same time anyway. Given that you can only have the one in there - and some would contend you shouldn't have any - then what benefit do you get from having multiple nations receiving emails allowing them to join?

Actully there is one reason that comes to mind for which one would want apply multiple nations to the UN, and that is to recieve a variety of emails, regarding recruiting.

Ifthe individual is looking to find a new region to settle in, they may want to do this

and also something may have to be done about........false quotes?!?!

and also something may have to be done about........false quotes?!?!

and also something may have to be done about........false quotes?!?!

Actually there is one reason that comes to mind for which one would want apply multiple nations to the UN, and that is to recieve a variety of emails, regarding recruiting. Ifthe individual is looking to find a new region to settle in, they may want to do this
So the region recruiters now telegram the people who have just applied to join the UN, and not those who've been admitted? :roll:

Personally, I'm a little concerned as to why you'd want to apply 2 or more nations to the UN at the same time anyway. Given that you can only have the one in there - and some would contend you shouldn't have any - then what benefit do you get from having multiple nations receiving emails allowing them to join?

It's not so much about having multiple nations receiving the email, it's more a matter of trying to eliminate the 24 hour wait when changing UN membership from one nation to another.
I'll give you an example of where I see a benefit, seeing as you have been so kind as to respond to my questions.

Hypothetical:
Say for some reason I wanted to change my nation that is in the UN. The reason could be that I don't like the effect the UN resolutions are having on my current nation. However, I do not want the regional delegate to lose my endorsement at the next update for some reason, eg there could be a lot of competition for the delegate position and taking away my endorsement could cause the delegate to lose. If I resign first and then apply with my other nation, the delegate loses my endorsement at the next update while I wait for the UN email. However if I apply first and then wait the 24 hour period and resign once I receive the email. I can effectively swap my UN status between my two nations instantateously and re-endorse the delegate with my new UN nation.

I have four different email address that I check regularly. For one of those addresses, I have a UN nation. For the other three, I've got invitations sitting in the inboxes, to click the links when I should decide to change my UN status from one nation to another.

All I play NS for is region politics and crashing and anti-crashing, etc., which requires UN memberships... it's very important in some of my methods that I get a new UN nation before the update (when new UN invitations are sent out).

I've been doing this for... quite a while. And, obviously, I haven't had any problems. While I see that you've recommended we not do this, Enodia, unless I get specifically told to stop, or kicked out of the UN... well, let's just say it's worked out beautifully for me so far. :D

I'm not exactly "recommending that you don't do it", Unfree People. What I'm saying is that if you end up with "a new UN nation before the update", you might be setting yourself up for a fall. Personally, I'd be a little more cautious than you seem to want to be, but I never went in for the crashing/anti-crashing business so I'm not well up on what you'd need to do in order to effectively crash or repel crashers.

The other thing is that there is (or certainly was) a "time out" provision on the UN Emails. In other words, if the message has been idle in your inbox for a particular length of time then you won't be able to use it to join the UN. Before anyone asks the two obvious questions, no I don't remember how long it was and neither do I know if the provision still exists.

Personally, I'd be a little more cautious than you seem to want to be Well, you are probably right about that. It actually never crossed my mind that this might be considered having several nations in the UN at once. And so, I haven't even considered being more prudent about this. Glad I saw this thread now...

The other thing is that there is (or certainly was) a "time out" provision on the UN Emails. I can't say the longest time I've had the emails sitting in there. Maybe three days? Four? They didn't time out. But this is only a guess...

They used to timeout after 24 hours. Has this been changed?

I had one time out after 24 hours, effectively 2 server updates between applying and expiring.

What I'm saying is that if you end up with "a new UN nation before the update", you might be setting yourself up for a fall.

Hmm. I never thought of it that way. What you seem to be implying is that when you click the resign button, your nation is technically still in the UN right up until the server update even though the "UN member" gif has disappeared from your nation page. Which means that if you join the UN as another nation on the same day, technically speaking of course, you effectively have two nations in the UN concurrently.

Is that a reasonable assumption?

To my knowledge, that isn't the case. My impression is that the instant you click "resign", you've resigned. Then again, I might well be wrong since it deals with the coding of a part of the game I've never really bothered to think about.

I had one time out after 24 hours, effectively 2 server updates between applying and expiring. I know for a fact I've had them longer than 24 hours. I can't say four days for sure, but I've definitely used them when they've been sitting around for a while.

To my knowledge, that isn't the case. My impression is that the instant you click "resign", you've resigned. Then again, I might well be wrong since it deals with the coding of a part of the game I've never really bothered to think about. For what it's worth... I've never gotten into trouble over this. And after I click the resign button, it's only a matter of minutes before I click the link from the email.

Or maybe, the GMs just haven't been paying attention during the times I've done this :)

To my knowledge, that isn't the case. My impression is that the instant you click "resign", you've resigned. Then again, I might well be wrong since it deals with the coding of a part of the game I've never really bothered to think about.
I think that you lose the little UN Member log on your nation, but you don't acutally lose UN status as far as the game is concerned untill the next (UN?) update. I know that when I was transfering UN status from a puppet to my primary nation, I resigned from the UN with my puppet before I applied with Naleth, but I still got the "You already have a UN nation" telegram later that day.