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Ok, in real life during the perapproval mode of a Bill, peole tack riders on to them all the time, well, howabout the ability of UN Delegates being ablt to tack little bits of law onto UN Proposals when they are still in the approval phase, say a limit of 5 small riders, might make for a more interesting UN

as far as the UN goes, i still can't get past the fact that it doesn't matter which way one votes whether or not "laws are enacted to enforce blah blah blah"....several nations have lodged complaints about this. And not one bit of answer has been forthcoming. All issues on the UN are moot until this is resolved.

as far as the UN goes, i still can't get past the fact that it doesn't matter which way one votes whether or not "laws are enacted to enforce blah blah blah"....several nations have lodged complaints about this. And not one bit of answer has been forthcoming. All issues on the UN are moot until this is resolved.
Are you saying that if you vote against a proposal, you don't want to have to comply with it? That's not the way the game works - it's in the FAQ.

as far as the UN goes, i still can't get past the fact that it doesn't matter which way one votes whether or not "laws are enacted to enforce blah blah blah"....several nations have lodged complaints about this. And not one bit of answer has been forthcoming. All issues on the UN are moot until this is resolved.
Are you saying that if you vote against a proposal, you don't want to have to comply with it? That's not the way the game works - it's in the FAQ.

That may not be how the game is supposed to work, but thats what happened. I'm not the only one who noticed -- this game is full of hacks I think, hence so many mysterious "bugs".

That may not be how the game is supposed to work, but thats what happened. I'm not the only one who noticed -- this game is full of hacks I think, hence so many mysterious "bugs".

I'm not clear on what you mean.

There was a bug that would cause some UN member nations to never get UN compliance telegrams. This has been recently fixed and all UN member nations will get compliance telegrams when a UN resolution is passed.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

as far as the UN goes, i still can't get past the fact that it doesn't matter which way one votes whether or not "laws are enacted to enforce blah blah blah"....several nations have lodged complaints about this. And not one bit of answer has been forthcoming. All issues on the UN are moot until this is resolved.
Are you saying that if you vote against a proposal, you don't want to have to comply with it? That's not the way the game works - it's in the FAQ.No, he means that sometimes you get compliance TMs even if you voted for the resolution

No, he means that sometimes you get compliance TMs even if you voted for the resolution

ALL UN nations get compliance telegrams, and the resolutions affect ALL UN nations, irregardless of how they vote. This is how it is supposed to work.

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SalusaSecondus
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No, he means that sometimes you get compliance TMs even if you voted for the resolution

ALL UN nations get compliance telegrams, and the resolutions affect ALL UN nations, irregardless of how they vote. This is how it is supposed to work.

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One is sent even if nothing is changed?

What happens if the vote goes 50-50 on a resoultion? :?


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What happens if the vote goes 50-50 on a resoultion? :?
I'd put that down as "so unlikely lets not worry about it."

What happens if the vote goes 50-50 on a resoultion? :?
50% is not majority. So I guess the proper behavior would be the resolution not to pass. Actually it all depends on the operator violet used in the script (> or >=).

One is sent even if nothing is changed?

If a resolution passes, then things are changed.

Please allow me to expand on this a bit, responding to the best of my knowledge as a fellow player...

One is sent even if nothing is changed?

Simply put: when a resolution passes, the stats of all UN nations are modified to reflect this. So a resolution which boosts human rights will up the human rights statistics of all UN nations.

Please note that the text of the resolution does not matter for this, just the stated effect. So, if a Human Rights resolution passes which in its text justifies this change by saying "Let's not execute people at random", the Human Rights of all nations will be boosted regardless of whether or not they had any policies pro or against executing people. It's a limitation in how the system works, and not one that is IMHO easy to adjust.

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irregardless

:shock: Say it isn't so.

irregardless

:shock: Say it isn't so.

Think about it this way: if a company is voting on a new name for example, and 9 Directors or whatever vote for one thing, and 3 vote for another, does that mean that 3/4 of the company is called one thing, and the other 3 Directors and their side of the company are given the other name?

The whole point of a vote is to chose what action to take, not to see who thinks one thing and who thinks another.

Ok, in real life during the perapproval mode of a Bill, peole tack riders on to them all the time, well, howabout the ability of UN Delegates being ablt to tack little bits of law onto UN Proposals when they are still in the approval phase, say a limit of 5 small riders, might make for a more interesting UN

Maybe the subject at hand can be taken to a new thread?

Kind of curious if anyone agrees or disagrees with this point?

Not trying to be rude, and if people decide this is the best thread to continue discussing this then fine. Just doing what I can to revive an interesting idea...

No, he means that sometimes you get compliance TMs even if you voted for the resolution

ALL UN nations get compliance telegrams, and the resolutions affect ALL UN nations, irregardless of how they vote. This is how it is supposed to work.

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SalusaSecondus
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One is sent even if nothing is changed? :x That isn't true. The FAQ says that you only get one if you disagreed with the way the voting goes. Some mods are abusing their power.

[quote=1 Infinite Loop]Ok, in real life during the perapproval mode of a Bill, peole tack riders on to them all the time, well, howabout the ability of UN Delegates being ablt to tack little bits of law onto UN Proposals when they are still in the approval phase, say a limit of 5 small riders, might make for a more interesting UN

Maybe the subject at hand can be taken to a new thread?

Kind of curious if anyone agrees or disagrees with this point?

Not trying to be rude, and if people decide this is the best thread to continue discussing this then fine. Just doing what I can to revive an interesting idea...[/quote

It is starting to be more than rude. This conversation has been started and always gets sidetracked. That is lack of freedom of speech. Which only further underscores my point in the first place of abuse of power.

irregardless

:shock: Say it isn't so.

Grammar should read "regardless"

:x That isn't true. The FAQ says that you only get one if you disagreed with the way the voting goes. Some mods are abusing their power.

The Official FAQ says nothing of the sort. And how is this an abuse of moderator power?

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SalusaSecondus
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:x That isn't true. The FAQ says that you only get one if you disagreed with the way the voting goes. Some mods are abusing their power.

Not correct.

The FAQ, Section 5: The United Nations (http://www.nationstates.net/pages/faq.html#UN)

So I'm a UN member. Now what?
The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

If there are more votes FOR a resolution than AGAINST a resolution, then the resolution will be forced upon you.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
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Now, I believe it was stated somewhere that when you joined the UN, that you did not have past passed resolutions updated to that UN nation-- you were simpyl effected by the ones passed while that nation was in the UN.

So, if you don't like the way something passed, quit the UN and start with a new nation.