NationStates Jolt Archive

Yes, I've seen the list, and to quote Jesusness...

RT)Economic -----------Political Freedoms----Civil Rights(-- )

(15)Frightening---------Corrupted------------Widely Abused
(14)All-Consuming-----Widely Abused-------Frightening
(13)Powerhouse-------Excessive -------------Excessive
(12)Thriving-------------World Benchmark----World Benchmark
(11)Very Strong--------Superb-----------------Superb
(10)Strong--------------Excellent---------------Excellent
(09)Good----------------Very good-------------Very Good
(08)Fair------------------Good-------------------Good
(07)Reasonable--------Average---------------Average
(06)Developing---------Below Average------Below Average
(05)Struggling----------Some------------------Some
(04)Weak----------------Few--------------------Few
(03)Fragile---------------Rare-------------------Rare
(02)Basket Case-------Unheard Of-----------Unheard Of
(01)Imploded-----------Outlawed-------------Outlawed

However, at what line in the amount of civil rights, for instance, considered "Libertarian" or "Authoritarian" for that matter. I ask this because I'm awefully close to being a Left-wing utopia, or a scandinavian liberal paradise, but I'm not sure how close. Could someone please tell me at what point your level is considered libertarian? thanks

There is no exact correlation between freedoms and your ratings. For instance, I'm a Scandinavian Liberal Paradise with a "Good" economy.

Also, could you put a spoiler warning in your subject line?

but it isn't a spoiler


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Welll, either way, done. And, I don't understand. Why doesn't your rating correspond to what you actually have?

Welll, either way, done. And, I don't understand. Why doesn't your rating correspond to what you actually have?

Economy is not equivalent to economic freedoms.

Civil rights are not equivalent to civil freedoms.

but it isn't a spoiler

The Jesusness ratings are spoilers IMHO.

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Civil rights are not equivalent to civil freedoms. [quote]

Sorry to keep asking questions like this, but how do they differ?

Civil rights are not equivalent to civil freedoms.

Sorry to keep asking questions like this, but how do they differ?
Economic freedom is having no triffs or subsidies and a free market. Your economy depends on Tariffs and subsidies in most cases.

You have the civil freedom to infringe on somebody else's civil rights, and that is why there are usually lines drawn.

(e.g. Prostitution might raise civil freedoms and lower civil rights)

Or, in other words, there are many, many variables that are used to determine "The Big Three".

I mean, I had a puppet listed as "Capitalizt" despite having an economy of "Weak"

and I have a frightening economy that is centrist

Civil rights are not equivalent to civil freedoms.

Sorry to keep asking questions like this, but how do they differ?
Economic freedom is having no triffs or subsidies and a free market. Your economy depends on Tariffs and subsidies in most cases.

You have the civil freedom to infringe on somebody else's civil rights, and that is why there are usually lines drawn.

(e.g. Prostitution might raise civil freedoms and lower civil rights)

you mean unsocializing things such as healthcare will raise your economy on the libertarian scale. right?

Economic freedom is having no triffs or subsidies and a free market. Your economy depends on Tariffs and subsidies in most cases.

You have the civil freedom to infringe on somebody else's civil rights, and that is why there are usually lines drawn.

(e.g. Prostitution might raise civil freedoms and lower civil rights)

you mean unsocializing things such as healthcare will raise your economy on the libertarian scale. right?
Yes, but that would also (I expect) have no real effect one way or the other strenghtwise. Resi had a Liberal Democratic Socialists puppet with a "Powerhouse" economy.

For that matter, my 'Scandinavian Liberal Democracy' also has an economy of frightening.

So far as I've been able to tell, although "economy" and "economic freedoms" are only loosely correlated, "civil freedoms" and "civil rights" are pretty closely correlated, as are the two forms of "political freedoms."

The borderline for both of those seems to be about midway through "excellent." It is rare to find a country with civil rights or political freedoms of "superb" or better that isn't libertarian on the corresponding scales, and pretty rare to find a country with civil rights or political freedoms of "very good" or lower that is.

(Economy is a special case. Economic freedoms positively affect it, but so can other things--such as direct government stimulation of business. You can be either a supply-sider or a Keynesian in the game, and both work to get your economy up.)

My nation is Democratic Socialist, and always has been even though I've often had political freedoms and civil rights at "Some". Do you have any idea why I've never been in one of the more authoritarian categories?

My nation is Democratic Socialist, and always has been even though I've often had political freedoms and civil rights at "Some". Do you have any idea why I've never been in one of the more authoritarian categories?
The stats used to calculate your UN rank aren't the ones displayed on your nations page. They are Economic/Personal/Political Freedoms. (OK Political Freedoms are displayed...). You also might want to go to the Graphical UN Rankings Map (in the new Archive forum :D) to see just what being a Democratic Socialist means..

The stats used to calculate your UN rank aren't the ones displayed on your nations page. They are Economic/Personal/Political Freedoms. (OK Political Freedoms are displayed...). You also might want to go to the Graphical UN Rankings Map (in the new Archive forum :D) to see just what being a Democratic Socialist means..

I know those things. The political freedoms and civil rights/personal freedoms seem to be fairly similar in the UN rankings and the nation pages, though. I'm just wondering why it is that even when my personal and political freedoms drop down into what would seem to be the authoritarian range (according to the categories in this thread, assuming that authoritarian, centrist, and libertarian each contain five levels), my nation type continues to be Democratic Socialist rather than becoming Authoritarian Democracy/Corrupt Dictatorship/Psychotic Dictatorship. "Democratic Socialist" fits much more with what I'm trying to do with the nation than the others, but I'm wondering how it fits with what my civil rights and political freedoms have sometimes been categorized as.

Well, 'some' may still be considered centrist by the game. It's a 1-15 scale (actually it probably is much more varried then that), and 'some' is right there on the border.

I think the other border (between centrist and authoritarian) may be midway through "Some"...although it's kind of surprising you've stayed consistently at "Some" and have *never* crossed it.

Or it may be one of the very rare cases where even the civil/political scales don't track well with displayed "civil rights" and "political freedoms."

yeah...it's weird. I think I may have even dipped into Few once or twice, but I've often been at Some (though I occasionally go as high as Average) and never switched categories.