NationStates Jolt Archive

just started, still reading the FAQ's but had a question i hadn't found an answer to yet. figured a post while i keep reading might help :)

in my (self delusional?) RP mindset everyone in my nation owns a gun and knows how to use it. why then would the game say crime is a serious problem? keeping a population alive might be a serious problem as citizens police themseves but i guess i'm just wondering about the mechanics of the game more than the politics.

Because you do not educate and rehabiltate people, nor do you have strict law enforcement, instead you allow deranged maniacs and psycopaths to walk around with guns.

if more people had guns, there'd be less shootings [/sarcasm]

...and countries without guns ain't american

just started, still reading the FAQ's but had a question i hadn't found an answer to yet. figured a post while i keep reading might help :)

in my (self delusional?) RP mindset everyone in my nation owns a gun and knows how to use it. why then would the game say crime is a serious problem? keeping a population alive might be a serious problem as citizens police themseves but i guess i'm just wondering about the mechanics of the game more than the politics.

Crime doesnt necessarily have to be Gun based, perhaps your nation has a problem with growers of Illegal Drugs, or wife beaters, car thefts, or Jay walking is a really big problem, no telling but it doesnt have to be gun related crime, and the people dont have to be absolutly Just and Rightious jsut because he has a gun.



Also for those who dont like Guns, How long after the repeal of the second ammendment and banning of all guns, do you think it would take for all teh other rights to be taken away, it only took Hitler a week to do it to the Jews after he banned their right to own even simple single shot huning rifles.

People shooting other people really, just build up a police force is my word of advice.

Just because you give people guns and leave them to there own doings doesn't mean that crime will go down. The people will take justice into their own hands, forming some sort of cult. The cult will rule the nation and spread its fear and terror to everyone who isn't born on the 2nd day od the 3rd week of the month.

Or something weird like that. :wink:

Educate your citizens, fund the police, and make some programs to teach people how to use those guns the right way, and then you'll have something. All of this takes time and money, so be ready.


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Another answer:

Declaring everything legal doesn't make crime go down. Crime in nationstates is a measured variable based on how you responded to the uestoins asked when you started, and how you answer issues (since you're new you probably haven't done much of that yet). The responses you have chosen are those that Max Barry believes cause increases in the level of crime, hence the description. To change that line, you have to take steps to either re-educate, help, or police people. A few of the no-crime lines are "Crime is totally unknown, thanks to a well-funded police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare." or "Crime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare." ... to give you an idea of what to shoot for (in the second example, well funded policies are an optional addition ;))

(thats a bit long, isn't it >.<)

Or you can crush their wills by being a Psychotic Dictatorship, where you get something along the lines of "Crime is totally unknown despite it being impossible to make it through a day without breaking one of [the nations]'s many laws."

In other words, there's plenty of ways to reduce crime, and as Loop mentioned, the game is considering all crime, not just crimes related to firearms.

Imagine the crazy old man living down the street.. and now imagine him with a gun! .. scary eh ?
There's a good reason theres the police in most countries and that is to police. The combination of Judge, jury and law enforcer all in one person is known not to work.
Don't forget that only the united states has such gunlaws, in my 26 years of life outside the US i have never heard a gunshot, have never heard of anyone i know or my friends know that got shot and the only place i've seen guns in real life is security guards in places like banks.

Think about it.

Think about it.
Cogitation in disguise?

nah, he forgot the moment ;)

just started, still reading the FAQ's but had a question i hadn't found an answer to yet. figured a post while i keep reading might help :)

in my (self delusional?) RP mindset everyone in my nation owns a gun and knows how to use it. why then would the game say crime is a serious problem? keeping a population alive might be a serious problem as citizens police themseves but i guess i'm just wondering about the mechanics of the game more than the politics.

A lot of this is because the Issues you choose. While you can RP aspects, like imagine that you have a population with all guns. Read the rest of your description, think of how you chose to answer issues. A population filled with guns without any sort of policing force, spending on rehabilitating criminals, or working with the youth… that very well might lead to a crime problem.


if more people had guns, there'd be less shootings [/sarcasm]

...and countries without guns ain't american

Best to keep politcal discussions out of this fourm. Small aside, I know, but I have comments I could make and at that point the thread would be side-tracked.

thanks all for the insight. and aye, i was looking more for the mechanics angle than the politics so i'll keep an aye out for ways to educate and rehabilitate (perhaps i didn't understand all the ramifications of the original nationbuilding questions, ah well, live and learn or die and teach someone else.)