NationStates Jolt Archive

Two notes:

All data are as of the 4th of September.
This is unofficial as it hasn't been cleared by [violet]


Nation information
Total number of nations: 74,350
World Population: 29,244,316 Million

Smallest Nation: 5M (shared by 748 nations)
Largest Nation: 2.817 Billion (Josifovich)

Average Nation Size: 393.0641 Million
Median Nation Size: 257.5 Million

Region Information
Total Number of Regions: 9,476

Number of Regions with a Founder: 6900
Number of Regions with a Delegate: 4178
Number of Regions with BOTH a Founder and a Delegate: 2602
Number of Regions with Neither a Founder nor a Delegate: 991
Number of Regions where both the Founder and the Delegate are the same: 767

Smallest Region: 0 (shared by 59 regions)
Largest Region: 4,748 (The North Pacific)

Average Size: 7.845
Median Size: 2.5

10 largest player created regions:

Europe (653)
Alcatraz (298)
Anticapitalist Alliance (223)
Sardaukar Confederacy (221)
The Exclusive Capitalizt Zone (213)
Australia and Canada (205)

North America (204)
BLUE COMET (178)
Hell (174)


Region with the most Nations with a population of at least one billion: The North Pacific (363)
Player Region with the most Nations with a population of at least one billion: Europe (138)

If there are some more things that you'd like to see, I'll try to get them up. Graphs are unlikely as the data is in a highly inconvenient format for that.


http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/salusasecondus/salusasecondus2.jpg
SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

Edited by Enodia to correct Salsa's appalling grammar

Cool information! Perhaps we could see about who has the most posts, and information regarding posting?! :D

Cool information! Perhaps we could see about who has the most posts, and information regarding posting?! :D

Something like this?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/memberlist.php
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CorinThe
The getting help section! (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) (for all your gaming problems)http://www.nationstates.net/forum/templates/subSilver/images/whosonline.gif
The Central Pacific (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_central_pacific) (for The Pacific alternative.)

That's quite interesting! I was almost expecting "regions with highest concentration of Anarchies" or whatever... Hey hey! My region is something like six times over the average! :D

Europe is the largest player-created region 8)

Hmm... how about regions with the biggest concentration of UN members (over 30 or 35 nations I guess because there'll be reions with just one nation that happens to be in the UN)?

Regions with founder who is also delegate?
Regions with highest concentration of November, December, January etc. nations?
Regions with biggest number of billion+ populated nations?

I've no idea how the data works so I'm betting some of these things are impossible...

I demand graphs!! haha just kidding :D

Anyways,this is cool,my region is slightly above average!
w00t! 8)

Why's the data from over a month ago?

Edited by Enodia to correct Salsa's appalling grammar

:lol:

Why's the data from over a month ago?

Good question,I guess he got the data then but didn't have time to actually do anything with it until just now

Could a list of the 10 largest player-created regions be added? 8)

And the 10 oldest founded regions would be interesting...

And the biggest region named Metal Bass would be cool 8)

If possible it woould nice to see:

1. Number of regions in which the founder is also the delegate.

2. Number of unique players.

Great list Sal, thanks. :D

Edit: I see that Siro already got to requesting the first.

Also:

3. Largest founded regions.

4. Largest regions without delegates.

5. Largest regions in which the founder is also the delegate.

Once again great list, I hope you do it reguarly. :P

2. Number of unique players.

That should be equal to the number of nations in the UN.

No, some people like to avoid the UN completely.

No, some people like to avoid the UN completely.

and there are some multis out there.

Yes, but if they do an IP scan then they will catch most of the multis.

World Population: 29,244,316 Million

That's 29.24 TRILLION. Wow!

Largest Nation: 2.817 Billion (Josifovich)

Pop bug? That's still huge.

Great list, Salusa!

Yeah, that's the pop bug. To get that without you'd of had to be playing for nearly one-and-a-half years...

The nation 'Last Hope' is the biggest non pop-bug nation. 1.8 billion.

Ok, due to popular request the following will be added:


10 Largest Player Created Regions
Number of regions where the founder is the same as the delegate
Regions with biggest number of billion+ populated nations?


Due to my request I will be adding:

Graphs
Standard Deviations


And finally, what will not be added (primarily due to data limitations, but also other causes as well):

Regions with highest concentration of November, December, January etc. nations?
10 Oldest founder regions. (All "oldest" requests will not be done).
Biggest region named "Metal Bass" (I could only find the smallest)
Largest Regions w/o delegates (Too useful for invasion. If you want to invade, get the info yourself).
Number of unique players.


http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/salusasecondus/salusasecondus2.jpg
SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

P.S. The date is due to this particular dataset. It is a large amount of work for both Max and I to get me the data for my more involved analysis, so we only do it about once a month. Once he gets it to me (probably taking a significant portion of a day), I then spend close to a day preparing the data. I should have the new data soon, but was feeling bored.

*scratches head*

How about...

Region with biggest population in ratio to it's number of nations?

[quote]
And finally, what will not be added (primarily due to data limitations, but also other causes as well):
[/list]
Biggest region named "Metal Bass" (I could only find the smallest)[/list]
:lol:

well thats ok,how about we just find out the coolest region by that name,you know since there are so many to sort through,but really,Sirocco's above rewuest sounds intresting,and what changed your mind about graphs?

Biggest concentration of any particular UN ranking in regions of over x amount of nations? Your discretion of course... 8)

At the risk of looking like an idiot, what are standard deviations?

Biggest concentration of any particular UN ranking in regions of over x amount of nations? Your discretion of course... 8)

At the risk of looking like an idiot, what are standard deviations?

I don't know,I was supposed to do something for them in my Java class(no pun intended) at school but my math skills were not going for it,its something to do with quadratic equations

Biggest concentration of any particular UN ranking in regions of over x amount of nations? Your discretion of course... 8)

At the risk of looking like an idiot, what are standard deviations?

A statistical thingy regarding how closely nations are grouped to each other.

Biggest concentration of any particular UN ranking in regions of over x amount of nations? Your discretion of course... 8)

At the risk of looking like an idiot, what are standard deviations?

I don't know,I was supposed to do something for them in my Java class(no pun intended) at school but my math skills were not going for it,its something to do with quadratic equations

public class NSthingy {
public static void main (String[] args) {
System.out.println("APCS?");
}
}

Number of Regions where both the Founder and the Delegate are the same: 767

Yes! I'm one of only 767! :lol:
Thanks again Sal. :D

Edit:ed a couple times for spelling and grammer.

:lol:

I have now learned to loath java like I loath C++,it just seems like they could have an easier way for output then system.out.println

and for input we have to do our easyreader thing, String whatever=reader.readLine("Enter Stuff: ");

And the 10 oldest founded regions would be interesting...

Yeah, that would be interesting.

Biggest concentration of any particular UN ranking in regions of over x amount of nations? Your discretion of course... 8)

At the risk of looking like an idiot, what are standard deviations?

A statistical thingy regarding how closely nations are grouped to each other.

Meaning...?

Read Salusa's post CE... alas, it is not to be...

And finally, what will not be added (primarily due to data limitations, but also other causes as well):

<snip>
Largest Regions w/o delegates (Too useful for invasion. If you want to invade, get the info yourself).
Number of unique players.

Well I'm not an invader, I was just curious, but I see what you mean.

As for the second, I can see that now. After I posted that I reread some of the mod forum stickies which talked about the effort involved in scans like that.

P.S. The date is due to this particular dataset. It is a large amount of work for both Max and I to get me the data for my more involved analysis, so we only do it about once a month. Once he gets it to me (probably taking a significant portion of a day), I then spend close to a day preparing the data. I should have the new data soon, but was feeling bored.
Really? Once a month? :shock:

Thanks again Sal. :D

(I'd been hoping for once every three or four month, but this is even better. :P )

Number of Regions where both the Founder and the Delegate are the same: 767

Yes! I'm one of only 767! :lol:
Thanks again Sal. :D

Edit:ed a couple times for spelling and grammer.

Hey, me too!

:lol:

I have now learned to loath java like I loath C++,it just seems like they could have an easier way for output then system.out.println

and for input we have to do our easyreader thing, String whatever=reader.readLine("Enter Stuff: ");

My teacher outlawed easyreader...we have to use this cs1.Keyboard class that doesn't actually exist.


And I'd be curious to see the largest regions where founder=delegate.

EDIT (after Sirocco's reply): CHANGED REGION TO REGIONS

alas, it is not to be...

Oh...that would have been interesting as I am sure my region would have 'popped' up in the top 10. :(

Probably The Heartland.

Could we have a list of the top ten biggest regions where the founder is also delegate? :D

My region that I founded and am now delegate of has 43 nations and is still growing (peak: 48 )

Probably The Heartland.

Wouldn't suprise me...still, I'd like to see where DU falls.

Standard deviation is a measure of how closely data is arranged around the mean.

Standard deviation is a measure of how closely data is arranged around the mean.

Urm...thankyou for that piece of info. :?

Does "region with a founder" include a founder that has ceased to exist?

Does "region with a founder" include a founder that has ceased to exist?

Coo... I guess so, in which case Hell would be further up than The Heartland...

The NationStates Bunny found Europe to be the largest player-created region. Probably the largest region with a founder too. 8)

Well if it is the larget player created region, then it is the largest region with a founder.

Edit: Since the non-player created regions can not have founders.

Are there no game created regions to which people have been made founder?

No.

"Founder is for the person who actually founded the region"

If you mean the thread about getting ounders appointed, those were in user created regions.

There are only six game greated regions: the North Pacific, the South Pacific, the East Pacific, the West Pacific, the Pacific, and The Rejected Realms.

The rest are user created regions.

My teacher outlawed easyreader...we have to use this cs1.Keyboard class that doesn't actually exist.


And I'd be curious to see the largest regions where founder=delegate.

EDIT (after Sirocco's reply): CHANGED REGION TO REGIONS

yeah we were gonna start using cs2 but as it turns out most of the functions don't work with windows xp,or something like that.

Nu, yah might wanna fix that quote.

Nu, yah might wanna fix that quote.


Thanks,also,I think Lazarus is a game created region

No, those six, the bare nessesities to keep the game running, are the only game created regions.

No, those six, the bare nessesities to keep the game running, are the only game created regions.

Lazarus is created by the game,thats where ressurected nations go

Ahh. . .
They don't mention that in the FAQ. :?

dont Forget the RR, that must be game created

Ahh. . .
They don't mention that in the FAQ. :?

I had an inactive friend ressurected once(he let his nation die again :x ) and plus I saw it when Francos was brought back

hmmm Nevermind Lazarus has a founder....

dont Forget the RR, that must be game created
I already mentioned it. It is.

hmmm Nevermind Lazarus has a founder....
Well maybe the mods just use it for that. :?

I have two puppets which I just submitted a second request to have ressurected after much more than a month went by without them being ressurected so I shall see (I hope).

I made a couple of region size distribution graphs once, and I know what SalusaSecondus means by "inconvenient". The exponential decline curve is so vicious, you need to cut out all the regions 0-10 nations in size in order to see something other than an off-centre spike between 1 and 10. I got around it by making two graphs for comparison and contrast. But all it really tells you is that almost all regions in the game are very cold and lonely places.

yes apparantly the mods are behind on the list(or were at some point)

I don't know about Lazarus,it doesn't have a delegate :?:

Two quick notes:

1) Graphs are low priority. I may do them, though, as I've figured out how to export the data to a spreadsheet. I just need to write a custom app. As far as how to break down the sizes? I haven't even considered it yet.
2) I'm going to try to get my data once a month. I will do censuses significantly less often than that due to the work involved. I primarily have the data for other stuff.

Two quick notes:

1) Graphs are low priority. I may do them, though, as I've figured out how to export the data to a spreadsheet. I just need to write a custom app. As far as how to break down the sizes? I haven't even considered it yet.
2) I'm going to try to get my data once a month. I will do censuses significantly less often than that due to the work involved. I primarily have the data for other stuff.

Do you know the story behind Lazarus?

Lazarus is a region in which ex-nations are resurrected, either following a change in ruling on punishment (too harsh, mistake, etc) or temporarily for the purposes of an investigation. Also, I believe those nations which died of inactivity and have been resurrected following a player request are respawned there.

That I know,the question I have is who is the founder,(I mean is he a mod puppet or something) and did the mods just decide to use it for that or what?

I would guess it belongs to a Game Mod puppet. But someone would have to come forward for us to be sure.

Well the name "Teslandia" implies puppetship, and there are two GMs I can think of plus [violet] (and one Tech Modling) who might give a puppet that motto.

Really which techmodling?

...
:)

But SalusaSecondus is a far younger nation than is Testlandia. Why would a Mod use an ancient puppet to act as a test bed and create a core region?

That is a secret, but you have a 1/1 probability of getting it right. :wink:

Think about it. If the mods have a lot of old puppets it will not mean much to them.

I have a bunch of fairly large puppets, some of which mean very little to me.

I think Salusa is a puppet of a larger nation which he keeps secret

He already siad that he is.

He also has other puppets.

srael(sic) and NationStates Modling are the two that I know.

Edit:ed due to spelling

Salusa, I have a couple of other ideas but only one would not be of significant advantage to crashers:

Number of regions in which the founder is not a UN member

I think Salusa is a puppet of a larger nation which he keeps secret

And then Cog told us not to think about it for a moment in the thread in which that came up. I'll see if I can find it....

Edited by Enodia to correct Salsa's appalling grammar

:lol:

SHHHHH, no one's meant to know that! :lol:

Well the name "Teslandia" implies puppetship, and there are two GMs I can think of plus [violet] (and one Tech Modling) who might give a puppet that motto.

Lazarus is a fun place to dump puppets when you've got no place better for them. I've got a couple in there myself. The reason Lazarus has a founder is because idiots like to go in there, become delegate and screw around with things. We've had it emptied before, and had the Fackbook changed as well.

Well the name "Teslandia" implies puppetship, and there are two GMs I can think of plus [violet] (and one Tech Modling) who might give a puppet that motto.

Lazarus is a fun place to dump puppets when you've got no place better for them. I've got a couple in there myself. The reason Lazarus has a founder is because idiots like to go in there, become delegate and screw around with things. We've had it emptied before, and had the Fackbook changed as well.

So is the founder is a mod puppet,that clears things up,so does it count as a user created region?

So is the founder is a mod puppet,that clears things up,so does it count as a user created region?

1) I'm not saying :P

2) No, Lazarus is a game-created region. However, unlike the other game-created regions (Pacifics, RR) it has had a Founder installed. Largely because few people pay much attention to it, so it's easier to install a Founder and remove Delegate controls.

OK, :D I think its an intresting region

Thanks for the explaintion Hack. :P

Cool information! Perhaps we could see about who has the most posts, and information regarding posting?! :D

Something like this?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/memberlist.php
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*
CorinThe
The getting help section! (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) (for all your gaming problems)http://www.nationstates.net/forum/templates/subSilver/images/whosonline.gif
The Central Pacific (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_central_pacific) (for The Pacific alternative.)

Thanks, Corinthe.
That link is not as easy to find as it might be.
Or I am habitually confused.
But thanks all the same! :)

Will someone please tell me how to access the "location" data in that memberlist?
I would like to know who is where in order to do some armchair travelling, if that's legal.

There is none.

Read the Player Profiles (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74121&highlight=)

That is the only way to find out people's location, as the forum does not "know" whre we are.

Number of Regions with a Founder: 6900
Number of Regions with a Delegate: 4178
Number of Regions with BOTH a Founder and a Delegate: 2602
Number of Regions with Neither a Founder nor a Delegate: 991
Number of Regions where both the Founder and the Delegate are the same: 767

How are Founders / Delegates which ceased to exist handled in these stats? Do they still count as founders/delegates, or did you disregard those (like, checking existence using the list of all nations) ? Won't be a major influence on the delegate stats, as they are removed from the feed within 24 hrs anyway, but for Founders this could make quite a difference in the numbers.

Ballotonia

Only delegates life as off the last update are counted. Founders, both alive and dead are counted. I may tidy that up later.

On 5th August, 2003, I estimated the total world population of Nationstates on the webpage http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58502&highlight= . Here are my calculations below:



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:idea: Let's assume (educated guess) the the average population of a nation is 500 million (500 000 000 or 5 X 10 to the eight). On 5/8/03 on 12.17 AM AEST, there were 75 387 nations.

Then,

500 000 000 X 75 387 = 37 693 500 000 000
or 3.76935 X 10 to the 13
or 37.7 trillion
or :shock: :o :!: .


If each (virtual) person in Nationstates was a star, there would be enough stars for 377 Milky-way sized galaxies :roll: .

The population I calculated are for nations that existed during 12.17 AM AEST on 5/8/03. There will be a massive population from nations that no longer exist. Imagine what that population would be if Nationstates still exists a hundred years from now.

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And the comparison of results are:

Total Number of Nations:

My observation (5/8/03)- 75387
SalusaSecondus' observation (4/9/03)- 74,350

Average Nation Population:

My educated guess- 500 million
SalusaSecondus' calculation- 393.0641 million

Total World Population:

My calculation- 37 693 500 000 000 (37.7 trillion)
SalusaSecondus' calculation- 29 244 316 million
or 29 244 316 000 000
or 29.2 trillion


At least my calculations aren't way out of whack.

I recently viewed that Joshifvic nation or the largest one, I dont know how to spell it, and the current population is about 3.013 billion (FYI).

I recently viewed that Joshifvic nation or the largest one, I dont know how to spell it, and the current population is about 3.013 billion (FYI).

Pop. bug obviously.

Great list - is there any way we can derive similar sorts of stats for regions

ie. total population, average population (although this is simple a derivation of population/nations), average tax rates, split of nation types etc?

Great list - is there any way we can derive similar sorts of stats for regions

ie. total population, average population (although this is simple a derivation of population/nations), average tax rates, split of nation types etc?

I'm sure that something of this type was done a while back...but I am not totally sure, I think the Nationstates Bunny did it.

Great list - is there any way we can derive similar sorts of stats for regions

ie. total population, average population (although this is simple a derivation of population/nations), average tax rates, split of nation types etc?

Lots of people have done things like this with their regions using the XML feeds. E.g. look at www.redfrenzy.com/aca_db.php for an example using the Anticapitalist Alliance.

Ah, finally we know the world population. :D

Salusa, you should update your first post:

Pacific Army contains 203 nations., so it should be in the top, also:
Europe contains 567 nations.

All data is of Sept. 4th. I'm not mixing my data sets.

When are we seeing those graphs et cetera then? :)

Woah. #84 in post count and I've made a grand total of 7 or so posts in the past 5 months. Dayum.

-Nik

Graphs probably won't be coming. I realized that I can't find any tools to handle a dataset this large and do graphing for it. I'm still looking around.

Ah. Are you going to do the ten largest regions where the founder is also the delegate? That'd be really interesting...

Maybe next census.

Here's a request: The ten or twenty Delegates with the largest numbers of endorsements.

I'm also curious to know the statistical distribution of endorsements (if it's convenient).
This many Delegates have 1-5 endorsements:
This many Delegates have 6-10 endorsements:
This many Delegates have 11-20 endorsements:
et cetera.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Also, most endorsements recieved as opposed to endorsements given. (I'd like to see if there's anyone out there like me who has achieved delegateship without giving any endorsements... :) )

Also, most endorsements recieved as opposed to endorsements given. (I'd like to see if there's anyone out there like me who has achieved delegateship without giving any endorsements... :) )

I doubt it very much!

Also, most endorsements recieved as opposed to endorsements given. (I'd like to see if there's anyone out there like me who has achieved delegateship without giving any endorsements... :) )


Me. 8)

Also, most endorsements recieved as opposed to endorsements given. (I'd like to see if there's anyone out there like me who has achieved delegateship without giving any endorsements... :) )


Me. 8)

Okay, there's one...but there probably won't be any more...

Edited by Enodia to correct Salsa's appalling grammar

Someone should edit that to correct Enodia's appalling spelling. (Salusa)

Edited by Enodia to correct Salsa's appalling grammar

Someone should edit that to correct Enodia's appalling spelling. (Salusa)
I'm petty sure that it is a joke. :?

Peace, Truth, and Justice,
Luke

Also, most endorsements recieved as opposed to endorsements given. (I'd like to see if there's anyone out there like me who has achieved delegateship without giving any endorsements... :) )


Me. 8)

Okay, there's one...but there probably won't be any more...

The Bruce in Wysteria.

Will there be any more updating of these population studies? They are most helpful and interesting.

If so, where might they be posted besides in this thread?

MAJOR GRAVEDIGGING.

Well is it time for an update?

It is, but you could have started a thread, sent Sal a 'gram, emailed admin, or done something other than osted it in this thread.

I myself was meaning to begin my campaign of Salusa nagging as soon as my current campaign of [violet] nagging* produced fruit. My plans did not involve dredging up a 12 month old thread in the process.
*not the sfest thing in the world, but they don't seem to mind (unless ignoring me is their way of saying "shut up and let us put out the Mod Olympics results when we feel likeit, you hypocrite who has almost never finished any of the half-dozen NS related things that he started, and with nearly as a bad of a completion rate in his real life" :p