NationStates Jolt Archive

Proposals not capable of reaching quorum

22-01-2003, 03:30
As it stands now, a proposal needs 163 approvals by regional delegates to become a resolution that the whole UN can vote on. As of the time of this writing, I believe the closest proposal to reaching quorum was UN Health Care Standard, with 91. Voting ends on it today, so I'm not holding my breath for it to make it.

Something has to be done....what exactly, I have no idea. Maybe make it so that only delegates can submit proposals, or reduce the percent of delegates that must approve of a proposal, or even disallow regions of less than a certain (very small) number of nations from appointing UN delegates.
Alpha Centauri
22-01-2003, 03:34
Yep, we need to create a cracked team of specialist to track down these deadbeat delegates and slap them arround a bit.

Seriously though, this is a big problem, but will settle off after those idle people are deleted.
22-01-2003, 03:44
Yeah, but it takes three weeks for an idler to get deleted. I mean, you can log in once every three weeks and not be kicked. Also, I think the problem stems more from A) The immense (80-some pages) sea of proposals, most of which are utterly pointless or misspelled to the point of illegibility; and B) Standards being too high (163 aprovals!) for proposals to become resolutions.
22-01-2003, 04:28
High standards to get to a vote are absolutely essential. Hopefully regional delegates have the necessary skill set to enable them to separate the wheat from the chaff - although the recently passed resolution on ending slavery brings *that* assumption into question! - and will prevent a lot of the garbage from getting out into the light of day. However, I think a modification such that only regional delegates may propose a resolution would be in order. In fact, I think that for a resolution to be submitted, it should be sponsered by a minimum of three regional delegates, and only after it has been submitted to and passed by a 2/3 majority of *all* the members of each of the 3 regions!
As for a method to keep the number of regional delegates from getting out of hand, perhaps a region would have to have at least .5% of the total number of nationstates to be allowed a regional delegate. Of course, if this were the case, then a region would have to be limited to a maximum size, also. For argument's sake, let's say 1%. That way, the number of regional delegates should fluctuate between 100 and 200.

CEO - Kaolynth
22-01-2003, 04:36
As one of the newest delegates to the UN (not yet fully in as my supporters have yet to be approved in membership) I fully agree. Delegate is a very important position to take up and it should not be done lightly. It carries with it the responsibility of a great number of things and should perhaps be granted more selectively. Perhaps a minimum number to even create a region may be in order to prevent proliferation such as we are seeing? I fully agree, however, with the maximum limit on region size to prevent any one delegate from wielding inordinate power.
-His Imperial Majesty Randy I
22-01-2003, 09:32
I still believe that instead of 20% of delegates approving a proposals, we could do with 10%. As we can see at current proposals, only really good proposals achieve half of what is now required (and none reaches that 20% nowadays), so we wouldn't suffer from a huge number of pointless proposals reaching UN-wide voting, but would still actually get some. I don't believe 20% of delegates even regularly check proposals. There are simply too many, and far too many who don't understand their duties. A quick way would be to drop the required percentage down to 10%, maybe even below if things still look bad because of additional increase of nations.

And I fully support that only regional delegates could make proposals. Someone mentioned somewhere that it would also be good if a nation could only make a proposal once a week. That would definitely cut some spam out. Though both should not take place, I believe that would reduce proposals too much. If something is to be done (and something has to be done), how about allowing only regional delegates to make proposals, up to 2 proposals per week per delegate?
22-01-2003, 10:49
I want to approval something, but I don't know how to do it.
Can anyone tell me how?
22-01-2003, 12:26
You cannot, only UN regional delegates can
22-01-2003, 12:41
If you think your delegate isn't doing their job then endore someone else and get the other people in your region to do that same. Unless they are in "The Pacific".... in that case... MOVE! The Pacific doesn't need a delegate, it needs a hoover.
22-01-2003, 16:08
When I proposed legislation last Fri, 120 votes were needed for approval. Now less than 1 week later 168 votes are needed! Nothing is ever gonna see the light of day again at this rate!

I agree with your last comment - something needs to be done about the rapid growth rate of DELEGATES. I suggest that unless you have 5 nations in your region, you cannot have a UN Delegate. Not 5 endorsements, but simply a total of 5 nations. I believe this would greatly reduce the number of Delegates. (If it doesn't, then make the min number 10 - I haven't downloaded all the stats to play with them to see what the breakpoint is)

If we can stop the number of delegates from growing so rapidly, I think that will solve half the equation. The other half is an effective method for getting rid of frivolous proposals. (eg, "Nation X Is Gay!" proposals and crap like that) But I will address that elsewhere.

I agree, tho, that only what seems to be worthy legislation is ever seeing more than 25 votes or so, but I am not sure if I want the approval % to be decreased. I don't want a new UN rule passed every single week!

Also, I think a new category needs to be made in proposals called "New Features/Game Tweaks" and once they finish filling it out then the game can tell them, "This is not a UN proposal! This is something you should be talking about in the technical forum!" :)