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Who dares go up against the mighty Han? Why not, ‘eh?

OFFICIAL NEWMANISTAN- SECRISTAN CUP OF HARMONY 37 BID

Come vacation on the island. One Big Island, where these two regional neighbors are set to bid for the 37th Cup of Harmony. If voted over that other proposal, it would continue Newmanistan’s streak of hosting odd-numbered Cups of Harmony, and give Secristan needed experience.

A: Scorination

There’s really no difference here. We will also use NSFS 2.7 and post-qualifying ranks will be used.

B: RP bonus

Are you gonna roleplay? Good! This is the MAJOR DIFFERENCE between the two proposals. The “other” proposal will depreciate roleplay on a per matchday basis by 50%. This is good for hosting the World Cup. But not the Cup of Harmony. The CoH is about roleplay, and therefore RP bonus is cumulative, from start to finish.

What does this mean? The other system allows for less-frequent RP ers to accumulate similar RP bonus. That’s good for the World Cup. We don’t look at this as “penalizing those who can’t RP every day”, we see it as “rewarding those who do.” Yes it means the same thing in the long run, but the point remains.

Unlike the rival bid which will not disclose the measure of calculation, this bid will. Each roleplay will be graded between .1 and .5 points, with a maximum of 2.0 points possible per matchday. Setting a 2.0 max is where we allow those who may have missed a day to "catch up", by doing so by posting more then one quality RP, instead of the RP-depreciation method. Roleplays are valued based on the time and effort that you have appeared to put into it. Originality, humor, interaction with other participants, coherency, are all things that will score well. Quality is definitely valued above quantity. As you can see, RP is very important.

This is the same way that RP bonus was calculated in COH 33 & 35, and from my experience, the most RP bonus in one matchday I had ever given out was 0.8.

C: Experience

Newmanistan has built up a lot of hosting experience, including the last two odd-numbered Cups of Harmony. Additionally, Newmanistan has hosted three World Bowls (the second largest competition on NS), one World Baseball Classic, and some other smaller things.

Secristan is looking to gain experience, but did host World Lacrosse Championships 3, and that competition did go smoothly. Secristan has also told me that he intends to try and host World Bowl 6 and/or World Baseball Classic 11, so this is a country looking for experience opportunities that should be given this shot.

Newmanistan has historically “mingled” with roleplayers as well, not to just be a host, but for them to truly understand the stadiums and the environment that they will be experiencing in the Empire. Secristan has a unique way of doing things also, which would create RP opportunities for participating nations.

D. FORMAT

16 and 24 are ideal numbers. But 18, 20, and 21 can be worked with as well. To qualify for the Cup of Harmony, you will have had to have posted a roster a RP’d at least once during qualification. Invitations will be sent out to qualifying countries.

But did you notice that one bit where the other bid opened up the possibility of inviting non-RP’ers? Sure, they said only if there is an extreme need. But, nuh uh…. Non-RP’ers do not come to COH, no way, no how to make up a number. If you noticed in COH 35, we (with West Zirconia) were very up front about what the final numbers were and cut signups off when needed, by reading the tendency of how sign ups were going.


Members of the EWCC, we ask for your vote. While we have confidence in the ability of the hosts in the other bid, we really believe that this is a better bid that captures more of what the Cup of Harmony is supposed to be; about the roleplay. Going up against the Han in a vote is a tough, but I believe this is the better bid. Hopefully you will as well.

RAWRCRUSH! WE SHALL EAT YOU ALIVE!!! MUAHAHAH!!!...


But I always enjoy something that's not a rubberstamp, so having two non-WC hosts in a bid is always encouraging. This is better for the vote anyway, and the bid is a quality one. I'm just here to address some notes in the bid.

(1) There is a reason why we allow for cumulative RP with devaluation. The RP Bonus issued is rather substantial, and theoretically if a team managed to max out its RP bonus, there could be problems with the scorination. The idea is also to encourage people to RP as often as they can. I've always worked with an RP bonus like this, and I certain a good number of WC hosts also use this method to reduce the effect of RP-one-time-and-go-away-until-it's-needed-again. If 50% is a bit tad too much for the voters, we can amend this (if confirmed) to [75%^n] instead, but at the moment, I haven't seen much debate about this (maybe this will get people talking).

(2) I don't want to say how much the RP bonuses are worth simply because it leaves room for debate. 2.0 is a good number though.

(3) The most important bit - there is a proviso to include non-RPing members to "make up the numbers", and there is that proviso there for a good reason. I do believe that the CoH is a cup for RPers who did not qualify, and so I'm very much restrained against doing that. Hence, my primary decision not to allow Allemenschen to compete in the CoH; if there is a need to include one extra country to make up numbers, I will preferentially use Allemenschen, which I know can RP throughout the tournament, rather than prefer a non-RPing entity which I don't know can RP throughout the tournament. In that sense, the probability that any country that did not RP and post a roster entering the CoH is pretty much zilch with the ways that the rules are set; but I do leave open the possibility for some wildly extraneous circumstance that is not able to be foreseen by any eyes, because the one thing I've learned is that rigidity leaves no room for error; and I do make errors.



Nonetheless, I do not feel compelled to do anything more, because this is a quality bid, made by someone who does know what they're doing; I have good confidence that regardless of who wins, the EWCC will leave the tournament in capable hands.

Nothing personal but I have doubts about whether Secristan is ready. Quite a bit of this stems from his reaction over the draw for WBC 9, which I hosted. It wasn't a reaction I would expect from someone who wants me to entrust them the responsibility of hosting the CoH.

Please don't take this personally, no offence is meant.

Nothing personal but I have doubts about whether Secristan is ready. Quite a bit of this stems from his reaction over the draw for WBC 9, which I hosted. It wasn't a reaction I would expect from someone who wants me to entrust them the responsibility of hosting the CoH.

Please don't take this personally, no offence is meant.

No offense is taken. Without restarting our argument from months ago it's fair if you wished to keep from voting for this bid because of that. In my defense, I feel that parts of my reaction was justified, but we do not need to start that again. I do not have anything against you, personally.

Since I would like to one day have your support, what is it that I can do to prove myself to you? Like Newmanistan said, I am looking towards hosting the upcoming World Bowl or World Baseball Classic and maybe both if they do not run at the same time. If after one of those would I start to generate more confidence from you?

I believe that I am ready for this. I did host the World Lacrosse Championships and even though that is much smaller then this would be, it's something. I would like to begin getting experience and this seems like a good thing to start with.

Of course it's not just about that, I'm not entirely comfortable with the RP bonus system your bid intends to use (I either abstained or voted against this system the last two times it was proposed for a CoH).

On a personal note, yes, something larger, to the extent of a WBC, would probably help in that regard (although I fully accept the CoH is meant as a stepping stone to the WC in most cases). It would help put some issues away.