NationStates Jolt Archive

Cup Of Harmony
XXXVII

Scorinator to be used:
Qazox' own Oxen Cup scorinator, which has been used in 9 Oxen Cups. The scorinator uses a formula that factors in KPB rank, style modifiers and RP bonuses.

Previous hosting experience:
As mentioned above, Qazox has hosted 9 editions of a non-KPB cup, the Oxen Cup, will minimal complants about the scorination of the events. Qazox has also hosted 4 editions of the World Baseball Classic (using a similar style scorinator to the one to be used in the CoH), a World Cup of Hockey, a World Bowl, two separate Sports Festivals, which were basically mini-Olympics; and the final Women's World Cup. While this would be Qazox' first offical hosting duty involving a BoF, CoH or World Cup-type event, the amount of previous experience hosting similarly large events would be a benefit.

RP bonus:
Qazox will rate each and every RP, each day, by each team as a separate applied bonus to the scorinator formula, with 'Quality' RPing receiving a greater bonus than poor RPing or no RPing at all. Both quantity and quality will be used, but Quality will have a greater factor overall in the scorination.

Qualifying Structure:
Qazox will attempt to have 16 to 20 teams that posted at least a roster and had at least 1 RP during the World Cup 45 Qualifiers. Other nations may sign-up for the event as well, but they will be used in cases where an invite is declined or a nation CTE'd. No teams that qualified for the World Cup itself will be eligible to participate.

If you have any further questions, please post them in this thread.

I demand the publication of your scorinator to 3rd party testing.

I demand the publication of your scorinator to 3rd party testing.

This wasn't an issue when I attempted to host the BoF, so why is it one now?

It really was. That was the principle reason why I voted against you. You have never made your scorinator available to the general public to test.

It really was. That was the principle reason why I voted against you. You have never made your scorinator available to the general public to test.

Here it is:

KPB rating= X
If a teams KPB Ranking is Between 0.00 and 7.50, it is doubled (or else I'd have too many lower ranked teams getting beaten 6-0 every match. In cases of a 0.00 rating, it will be put to the mininum of 1.00, [can't divide by 0, can ya?])
RP factor (between 1.00 and 8.00) *Random # (between 1.00 and 2.00) = Y
NOTE: the RP factor is inversely related, meaning the better i determine your RP factor to be, the lower number it is. (you'll see...)

(X/Y^2)* 2nd random # for attacks (based on Style modifier)= A
(X/Y^2)* |opponents Style modifier|= B (absoulte value of the Modifier)
NOTE2: in cases of a 0 modifer, eliminate the |opponents Style modifier|= B (absoulte value of the Modifier)
A/B = Score

Repeat for other team.

Style modifier table (aka # of attacks)

+3: RN# 5-8
+2: RN# 4-7
+1: RN# 3-6
0: RN# 2-5
-1: RN# 1-4
-2: RN# 1-3
-3: RN# 1-2


EXAMPLES:
Valanora (+2) vs. Newbieville (-2)

Valanora KPB rating: 55.69
Newbieville KPB rating: 2.75

Both will have an RP factor of 5.00 and both 1st Random # are 1.00
(so Y for both is 5.00; to simplify things).
2nd random # will be the mid-point of range on the SMT.

Valanora:
(55.69/25)* 6.5 = 14.4794 (A1)
(55.69/25)*|-2|= 4.4552 (B1)
Newbieville:
(5.50/25)* 2 = 0.44 (A2)
(5.50/25)*|2|= 0.44 (B2)

Valanora:
14.4794/4.4552 = 3.25 (3 goals)
Newbieville:
.44/.44 = 1.00 (1 goal)

If (X.xx) is over 0.50 i round up, if 0.49 or lower, i round down.

Now for Maximum RP vs. Mininum RP with 2 same ranked teams with same modifier (+1) and a 1st Rand # of 1.50... (to keep it simple)

Idontrpatall: 5.00 (RP: 8.00)
IRPalot: 5.00 (RP: 1.00)

Idontrpatall:
(10.00/144)* 2 = 0.138 (A1)
(10.00/144)*|1|= 0.069 (B1)
IRPalot:
(10.00/2.25)* 5 = 11.111 (A2)
(10.00/2.25)*|1|= 4.444 (B2)

Idontrpatall:
0.138/0.069 = 2.01 (2 goals)
IRPalot:
11.111/4.444 = 2.50 (3 goals)

Theoretically the max goals a team could score would be infinite, but the highest I've ever scoreinated was 11 goals for a team.

Does this help you ESF?

It's not perfect, but it works.

KPB rating= X
If a teams KPB Ranking is Between 0.00 and 7.50, it is doubled (or else I'd have too many lower ranked teams getting beaten 6-0 every match. In cases of a 0.00 rating, it will be put to the mininum of 1.00, [can't divide by 0, can ya?])

Just looking at that... so a 7.5 team will have 15 scorination points, but a team that's better (say 8 KPB points) will have 8 scorination points?

Just looking at that... so a 7.5 team will have 15 scorination points, but a team that's better (say 8 KPB points) will have 8 scorination points?

Like I said it ain't perfect BUT for the most part it works.

(If anyone would like to suggest HOW to adjust the formula so I DON'T have to double certain teams, then please suggest away!)

Qaz,

I think you may need to look at the issue that LE raised, specifically the potential problem that occurs when:

If a teams KPB Ranking is Between 0.00 and 7.50, it is doubled (or else I'd have too many lower ranked teams getting beaten 6-0 every match. In cases of a 0.00 rating, it will be put to the mininum of 1.00, [can't divide by 0, can ya?])

You're not going to get people to support a scorinator that, as LE points out, means that in some cases a lower-ranked team will be considered to have more KPB points than a higher-ranked team.

Have you considered using a maximum KPB point ratio instead of doubling the points of low-ranked teams?

For example, you could set a (hypothetical) maximum possible KPB point ratio of 3:1 in favour of the high-ranked team.

The KPB points of a lower-ranked team with less than a third of the points of a higher-ranked team would then be temporarily raised to one third of the higher-ranked team's points for that match.

So, say team A has 24 KPB points, and team B has 6 KPB points, you would temporarily raise the points of the lower-ranked team to 8.

This redresses part of the imbalance without giving the lower-ranked team too much of an advantage.

The suggested ratio maximum is a figure I plucked out of thin air, but maybe consider the basic principle as an option, see where different ratios take you, and see if it works as one way around the problem.




And in a CoH, you're not going to get any teams with 0 KPB points, so that's not an issue.

Like I said it ain't perfect BUT for the most part it works.

This bid reminds me of Bazalonia's hosting, in that everything looks perfectly fine until all of a sudden some random issue comes along that throws a spanner in the works and just needs someone to say 'woah there!' so you can correct it and move on to do a just fine job.

Your KPB doubling thing is that random issue and, though I won't pretend to argue on a formulae basis, Valanora would not be a side who 'make it' into the CoH. The highest-ranked team not making it, bar the occasional Sel Appa (3rd), is usually in the high teens or mid twenties: do they continually crucify the lowest ranked sides?

Perhaps an approach like the Archreg has suggested, or to define a maximum difference between the two ranks so as to not have undeserved two-digit rampages as a result of the way your formula works?

If you can sort out the random rank-doubling issue, then there'd be no technical reason to not vote for you. I'd also like to echo ESF's sentiments over your 'non public' (through omission, rather than commission) scorinator, as we can't really choose hosts if we have no idea how they're scoring things.

So now we know :)

Thank you for the ideas.

Since this isn't quite ready for a WCC-sanctioned event, yet.

Qazox will withdraw from consideration for hosting CoH 37.