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The Baltic Federation (Somewhereistonia) opens their official bid to host the upcoming Rugby League World Cup. The main stadiums are all in a reasonable traveling distance of each other and the main tourism facilities making this a highly practical bid. The transport infrastructure has had an overhaul in recent years, leaving the nation perfectly able to accomodate the increased number of visitors without hassle.

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The stadia to be used are (all will be used for group stage matches as well as those indicated):

Capitol Arena (national stadium) [70,000] Final, QF 1
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/asia/china/shenyang_center2.jpg
Dynami Arena (home of Dinamo Karrakiv) [55,000] SF 1
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Sparti Arena (home of Qasarian Sparta) [54,000] SF 2
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Kabano Stadium (home of Kabano Marauders and Kabano Bulls) [50,000] 3rd place play-off, QF 2
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Krieger Arena (home of Karrakiv Warriors) [42,000] QF 3
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Qasarian Central (home of Qasarian City) [38,000] QF 4
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Koltelcia Stadium (Home of Koltelcia SC) [36,000]
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Balakarassia State Stadium (former national stadium) [30,000]
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Empire Stadium (home of Karrakiv Wolves) [25,000]

In addition to this, 5 smaller stadiums have been set aside for pre-tournament friendlies:

A. Le Coq Arena (10,300)
Kalevi Keskstadion (12,000)
Skonto Stadions (10,007)
Zalgiris Stadium (15,030)
S. Darius and S. Girenas Stadium (8,500)

We now open the floor for other bids, to be voted on by all competing member associations.

And how will you be scorinating the games?

I'll be using the same scorinator that was used in the previous 2 league world cups.

As, I cannot post any more pictures in other post, here is Karrakiv Wolves Stadium
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TO: THE RUGBY LEAGUE COMMUNITY OF NATIONSTATES

FROM: THE UNITED ISLAND TERRITORIES OF KJOMASASOPIA
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I would first like to personally acknowledge the traditional owners of the land in which my office is built, the town of Zacic Heights, The Zacician People of the Kjojan Tribe.


After much speculation into a possible professional Rugby Union Competition (The KJOSuper 10 League)being established in the UIT’s, the government passed a supply bill giving the 10 local councils that would be gaining franchises a total of R$4 Billion each to develop their grounds and stadiums to international standards. After the finances of Geraldton Co., the head financial partners of the KJOSuper 10, failed to pay certain high value players such as Sheldon Wiremu, all 300 members of the players union went on strike, refused to train or play, and the competition was declared null and void.

Now, the UIT’s is left with 10 International Stadiums with a minimum capacity of 50,000, and a max of 350,000, the governing body, the KJORLA (Kjomasasopian Rugby League Association) has decided to bid to host the 3rd World cup, although unsure of what numbers the tournament will see.

Fields:
*Kili Kili Stadium. Kili Kili, KJ. Capacity: 350,000.
Surfaces: Grassy Turf.
Home Team: Kili Kili Eagles (Union), Kili Kili Bears (League), Kili Kili Raiders (Football)
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was previously a 475,000 seater, but due to unsafe seating, 125 thousand seats were removed. Also used on occasions for Gridiron and Grassketball, Basketball on Grass.

*Wiremu Stadium. Zacic, KJ. Capacity: 65,000.
Surface: Grass, with faded Cricket pitch in middle (government inspected, not dangerous)
Home Teams: Zacic Pride (Union), Zacic Panthers (League), Zacic Cricket Club, Kjo Island (Union, League, Football, Gridiron, Cricket, Etc!)
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This stadium was renamed after the legendary Wiremu family, who have represented the UIT’s in EVERY single sport we have played internationally in. Originally a 12,000 seat oval, but the stands have been upgraded, moved closer to the field, and the pitch softened as the new ZCG is being built next door (opening early 2009)

*Freedom Park, Kraddu, KJ. Capacity: 50,000.
Surface: Grassy Turf.
Home Team (s): Kraddu Spiders (Rugby Union), Kraddu Nicceyh Cbundc Culeado (Rugby League, Football [Amateur])
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Kraddu is a small town on the east coast of Kjo, with a strong Russian/Siberian Heritage. It is the only town that speaks Niccepaneyh, Albhedian Russian. Signs in the area are written in Niccepaneyh and English, so no need to worry about language barriers.

*Vilgvilgcred Cdyteis U Nikpo, Vilgvilgcred, MS. Capacity: 55,000.
Surface: Grass.
Home Team (s): Crystal Aurochs (Union), VVCRLFC, VVCFC.
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Vilgvilgcred, or VVC for short, is the second largest city in Masa, the Middle Isle. It has a rich history of winning Rugby Union titles, and hosted the first TIRT (Tri-Isles Rugby Tournament) game in 1914 (Masa 3 d Sopianu 0).

*The Church Of Rugby, Lrinlrac, MS. Capacity: 82,000.
Surface: Grassy Turf.
Home team: Lrinlrac Priests (Union)
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An 8-Storey High Dome, aesthetically reminiscent of a grand, western European Cathedral. The roof is made up of 86 billion square shaped dots of paint, and can also fold away within 30 minutes completely. The most expensive sports infrastructure in Kjomasasopia.

*Snowplane Cricket Grounds, Snowplane, MS. Capacity: 120,000 (w/o added bleachers); 165,000 (with added bleachers, the option chosen for the tournament)
Surface: Snow (thin layer over grass and a Cricket Pitch in the middle)
Home Team (s): Snowplane CC, Snowplane Raiders (League), Masa Isle (Cricket), Kjomasasopia (Gridiron)
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The most peculiar cricket ground in the world, as it is ENTIRELY covered in snow all year. A Rugby League team was relocated to Snowplane to improve awareness of the game to this cricket mad area of the UIT’s, but so far has been unsuccessful, although the team made the semi finals in 2004.

*New Lansdowne, New Dublin, NI. Capacity:50,000.
Surface: Grassy Turf
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A Complete Replica of what Lansdowne Road will look like in 2010, an all seater 50,000 capacity stadium. Emulation of the world’s oldest international stadium.

*Power Stadium, Nikpojemma, SO. Capacity:55,000.
Surface: Grassy Turf
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Home Team (s): Nikpojemma Power (Union), Nikpojemma Ravens (League)
Nikpojemma is a town in North Sopia that has a strong rugby community. The town is very poor, and when the local government received the R$4,000,000 grant, only 1 billion was spent on a stadium, the other 3 billion going towards the community. It is the newest stadium in KJO.

*Emperors Stadium, Emperors City, ET. Capacity:95,000.
Surface: Grassy Turf
Home Team (s): None.
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It was to be that the City Of Dragons would host a franchise in the KJOS10, but the team never arrived, leaving Emperors Territory with a Multi-Million Rua Stadium. Top quality in every aspect.



SCORINATION:
OVERVIEW OF METHOD:
The scorinator I will use is a homemade spreadsheet that generates accurate international level rugby league results. It randomly produces a number inbetween 1 and 4, which is then times by 4, giving the amount of tries scored. Then, a number is produced between 1 and the number of tries scored, then times by 2 for conversions. A third number between -3 and 3 is drawn for penalty goals (if a negative number is drawn, no penalty goals successful or awarded, your choice of which in RP). This number set is then reused for drop goals (same as pen goals, if negative number is drawn, then no dg’s successful or taken, your choice in RP)

ROLEPLAYING, AND IT EFFECT ON RESULTS:
Roleplaying, or RP for short, is when the participating nations write reports about what is happening with their team. When you RP once a day, you receive +1 RP Bonus. If you RP a second time that same day (e.g. a post game wrap-up) you receive a + ½ point bonus. If you RP for a third time that same day (ooc: and I don’t see why you would want to!), you will receive a -¼ point bonus. Anymore RP’s will not be awarded.

Cut-off for RP will be an hour before “kick-off”. Any RP’s after Cut-off and before Kick-off will result in:
• 1st time: warned privately via TG
• 2nd time: -½ RP Bonus, informed privately via TG
• 3rd time: -100% RP Bonus, informed publicly and via TG.
This sets a “3 strikes, you’re out” warning system which I believe is fair.

When it comes down to “Crunch-Time” and scores are distributed, the team with the higher RP Bonus will win, except for first round results, which will be decided on previous experience levels (e.g. if Lurikastan were to return to defend their title, they could not possibly lose the first game, as they are current world #1’s)

Every other round will be decided on this basis:
1. RP Bonus. If tied, then
2. Results against another team they have both played. If no results available, then,
3. World rankings. If both teams Unranked, then
4. Toss of coin. Neither team will be asked what side they would prefer. Heads will always go to 1st team named eg (KJO V SNorth = KJO = Heads, Snorth = Tails)
Hope all goes well with our official bid to host this tournament.

Yours Sincerely, PaulJoesephHarryLevy.
THE RIGHT HONORABLE PAUL LEVY, PRIME MINISTER OF KJOMASASOPIA.

皇帝のドラゴンのアーケード
EMPEROR DRAGON ARCADIUS, EMPEROR OF KJOMASASOPIA, LEADER OF OPPOSITION IN FEDERAL PARLIAMENT.

^ may i add that the scorinator is alot more accurate now....i'll fix that post up a bit later.

ROLEPLAYING, AND IT EFFECT ON RESULTS:
Roleplaying, or RP for short, is when the participating nations write reports about what is happening with their team. When you RP once a day, you receive +1 RP Bonus. If you RP a second time that same day (e.g. a post game wrap-up) you receive a + ½ point bonus. If you RP for a third time that same day (ooc: and I don’t see why you would want to!), you will receive a -¼ point bonus. Anymore RP’s will not be awarded.

Cut-off for RP will be an hour before “kick-off”. Any RP’s after Cut-off and before Kick-off will result in:
• 1st time: warned privately via TG
• 2nd time: -½ RP Bonus, informed privately via TG
• 3rd time: -100% RP Bonus, informed publicly and via TG.
This sets a “3 strikes, you’re out” warning system which I believe is fair.

When it comes down to “Crunch-Time” and scores are distributed, the team with the higher RP Bonus will win, except for first round results, which will be decided on previous experience levels (e.g. if Lurikastan were to return to defend their title, they could not possibly lose the first game, as they are current world #1’s)

Every other round will be decided on this basis:
1. RP Bonus. If tied, then
2. Results against another team they have both played. If no results available, then,
3. World rankings. If both teams Unranked, then
4. Toss of coin. Neither team will be asked what side they would prefer. Heads will always go to 1st team named eg (KJO V SNorth = KJO = Heads, Snorth = Tails)

Oh wow. Just really, wow. I can't hold back any longer, having kept tabs on this thread for a while.

I'm aware I'm not signed up for this, nor do I have any say in the voting, but please, I beg you, for the sake of Sports RPing and the health of the RLWC, don't try do it that way.

1) As host you have no right to tell people when they can and can't RP, you can only tell them when theirs counts for scorination.

2) The team with the highest RP bonus will win? So what's the point in a scorinator that produces random numbers? And why won't the Previous Champion be able to lose the first match? Makes it fairly pointless, no?

also, my scorinator is awesome... and if i win the vote for host, and your team doesnt "show up" for the friendly, you will lose and start the RLWC with a neg rp bonus, because of the "negative reputation" your "squad" will get for "no-showing" a "game".

If you take that sort of "policy" to your "attempt" to "host" this tournament, I "predict" that you will be "laughed at" or "ignored".

Please look at how other sports RP bids are done - look beyond the stadia pictures and the in-character public relations - from established nations who do, honestly, know the best way to run a sports RP. They're not done the way you're proposing, and that's most likely for a good reason.

^maybe you should "mind" your own "business" and "stick" to "making" "jerseys" ok?

just kidding!!!

maybe i'd like to try something different, something new, and sure, if you want to see changes, there can be changes.

fuck it. changes shall be made.
1) As host you have no right to tell people when they can and can't RP, you can only tell them when theirs counts for scorination.

2) The team with the highest RP bonus will win? So what's the point in a scorinator that produces random numbers? And why won't the Previous Champion be able to lose the first match? Makes it fairly pointless, no?
1) the way i saw it was that i didnt want people to write lots of little rp's, just to write big and precise ones, like i did in the first world cup, i wrote pre and post game reviews, and a little bit of a story. but sure, if you guize want to write a story as well, go for it.
2)i just saw it as a way for world champions to remain dominant heading into the next tournemant. seriously, find me a rugby league world cup/international comp where the defending champ has lost the opening game...and as for the RP...i just wanted nations to see that rp'ing nations get the glory, so that they get active and stay active.

But sure, whatever. don't let me try something different and let me learn from my mistakes...just conform. conform, conform, conform. insert stock tournament here. insert stock format here. do what Machina tells you. i get it.

Do try and trust me on this; I've been hosting and competing in Sports RPs on NS for nearly five years. I think I'm one of the people one here who can tell you what will work and what won't work. Your original bid will certainly be able to host a competition from beginning to end, but for the participants enjoyment and freedom it won't work, so they won't ask you back for more.

2)i just saw it as a way for world champions to remain dominant heading into the next tournemant. seriously, find me a rugby league world cup/international comp where the defending champ has lost the opening game...

Given that there's only been two RLWCs in NS, and the defending champion of the first didn't sign up to defend their title... we could always look at real world precedent, no?

Rugby League World Cup 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Rugby_League_World_Cup)
Rugby League World Cup 6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Rugby_League_World_Cup)
Rugby League World Cup 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_-_1988_Rugby_League_World_Cup)
Rugby League World Cup 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Rugby_League_World_Cup)

Different sport, but there's also Senegal's win over France in the opening game of the 2002 World Cup in football. If I remember correctly France didn't win a single match and went out in the group stage.

*snip*

I'm not one to normally stick my head where it doesn't belong too often (okay, maybe more often than not...), but this is really getting ridiculous.

A host should demonstrate reasonable familiarity with the organization of the competition, and reasonable maturity to deal with people. So far, I have yet to see any evidence of any of the above.

As it stands, your current bid to host will not fly by any sensible person. Your RP bonus is on one hand ridiculously complicated to calculate/follow, and if it is what people think it will be, it puts those who have little time to spare for NS at a severe disadvantage. I know it will be ridiculously complicated, because there are a number of people who check their TGs once every blue moon. And warning people for RPing late is just stupid; some people don't RP and you have to respect that choice. And the fact that RP and previous experience blatantly conflict in their influence over the final scores (randomness doesn't seem to have any play whatsoever) simply does demonstrate a serious design flaw in the construction of your scorinator. Compared to existing scorinators, it is not "awesome"; and listening to Starblaydia's suggestion is not "conformity"; it's "common sense".

And I think that your maturity is also quite lacking given your manner of responding to people who conflict with your views. I can understand the "kidding" part, but rejecting a suggestion as "conformity" is not quite a rational habit. It's irrational at the least, and I'd hate to confess that a tournament run with little maturity will not succeed, especially in the face of probable challenges of the operation of the tournament.

I would certainly invite you to run that tournament. I'd like to see who'd play in that rigid environment. And I'd like to see how you manage to operate the tournament. And I'd like to see if it's a success or finishes at all. Starblaydia does have considerable experience, so when he makes a suggestion, it's not because he's the boogeyman trying to get to follow the rules (of which, there really are none); it's because he knows what works and what works. And quite simply, your proposed bid will not work.


But nice pictures though!

Anybody got links to any RLWC II threads so I can find my squad from the last tournament so I can some of the players?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=579322 here you go Kemball

Cheers

is it too early to put up my squad for this tournament now?

No, I wouldn't have thought so. I'll start a thread in a bit.

EDIT: Here it is --> http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=586049

Heres a world rank that I drew up in calc based on results of the previous 2 world cups. I plan to use it to do modifiers. The More recent games (WC II) have been given a weighting of 1.25. I will then use the tournament results after each set of games on a weighting of 1.5 (may lower this) to give good modifiers.

I may also decide to use pre tournament friendlies (up to 2) for the tournament. If I host I plan to give myself a modifier equal to that of 6 points(well under average) as a host typically does better than they otherwise would. After the tournament these results will have no effect on the world standings. I will not include other friendlies in the standings.

Country WC I points WC II points Total points
Lurikastan 8 17 29.25
Dancougar 0 17 21.25
Sorthern Northland 4 11 17.75
Peisandros 0 13 16.25
The Yorozuya 0 11 13.75
Lovisa 0 10 12.5
Docky 12 0 12
Kjomasasopia 8 0 8
West Zirconia 0 6 7.5
Alversia 6 0 6
Bost. Empire 6 0 6
Taeshan 2 3 5.75
Draistania 0 4 5
Kura-Pelland 0 4 5
Miroxia 4 0 4
Kemball Island 0 3 3.75
Land de Wood 2 0 2
Somewhereistonia 0 0 0
TomGriff 0 0 0
Average → 10.34

RP mods will be given a rating from 0.1 to 0.8 based on my judgment of RPs since last game/when bid is voted in. I will take into account all RPs during that time, and no negative marks will be awarded. If you do not post any role play between games you will be given a modifier of 0, if you post something you will at least get 0.1 even if it is only 3 lines.

I cant do it tbh....i have way to much to do irl, and it's all just fallen on top of me. so i'm out. laters.

Kura-Pelland confirm their interest in hosting the third Rugby League World Cup. The stadium infrastructure is already in place from a successful soccer World Cup hosting as well as other stadia specific to 'rugby 13s' as the code is referred to domestically; pictures will be made available in due course.

But you're here for the scorination details and here they are.

* The number of tries is determined using a VLOOKUP table that assigns certain probabilities to certain number of tries being scored. The table goes up to 1.3, and the number of tries is determined by generating a random number between 0 and 1 and adding 1% of the rank difference (per Somewhereistan's formula) to it (this difference may be negative).
* Then a random percentage of these (between 60% and 100%) are converted
* Then extra points (penalties or drop goals) are generated through a random formula, in which a majority of the time there are no extra points. Of course, one may choose to RP a penalty being scored anyway.

Early testing reveals the top team loses to the worst team every seven or eight times. I'm working on making this nearer 20.

Heres a world rank that I drew up.......


Good work on getting some rankings done. Been meaning to do rankings myself for a while but just never got round to it.

Just wondering though, how some of the totals have been worked out. Like the teams who competed in only the first World Cup have totals that matches the score they got from that, but teams that competed in the second seem to have bonus points awarded to their WC2 scores. For example, I have 4 points from the first World Cup, and 11 from the second. Adding those together would be 15, but my total score is 17.75, so just wondering where the extra 2.75 points have come from/are for?

Heres a world rank that I drew up in calc based on results of the previous 2 world cups. I plan to use it to do modifiers. The More recent games (WC II) have been given a weighting of 1.25.

Good work on getting some rankings done. Been meaning to do rankings myself for a while but just never got round to it.

Just wondering though, how some of the totals have been worked out. Like the teams who competed in only the first World Cup have totals that matches the score they got from that, but teams that competed in the second seem to have bonus points awarded to their WC2 scores. For example, I have 4 points from the first World Cup, and 11 from the second. Adding those together would be 15, but my total score is 17.75, so just wondering where the extra 2.75 points have come from/are for?

I weighted the more recent WC II as is done in other rankings, so the recent matches are more important. So each point from WC I =1 and each point from WC II =1.25. A much more complicated weighting system is what is used for RL rankings.

I'm bit confused of where we're at with this, I haven't been following closely.. But those rankings sure do look good, haha.

As for precedent in RL, just remember who won the last WC when we were like ten to one favourites. Go the Kiwis.

Kjo pulled out leaving me and KP bidding to host, plus anyone else who puts there name down by the 10th. the tournament itself starts on the 15th and I suggest you go out and arrange friendlies, I will be happy to scorinate.

I've updated my bid to include stadium pictures, enjoy. ;)

Hmm, well your bid is good. But I'll go with experience sorry. So, Peisandros votes KP host the next RLWC.

Voting for World Cup bids is officially open.

Peisandros, your vote is accepted. I vote myself (as there are only 2 bids it seems fair).

So 1-1

And I can do the same, 2-1...

Can I vote for Somewhereistonia please?

I'll echo Peisandros' sentiments. The experience KP has edges his bid for our vote.

Well, that means that KP wins right to host 3-2. I hope this tournament is a success and bidding was a good experience anyway.

Many thanks to those who have voted for me.