NationStates Jolt Archive

EDIT: This is the RWC 11.

This is the sign-up/interest thread for an attempt at the 10th Rugby Union World Cup.

You can sign your team up or put in a bid to host the cup here. I will only accept 16 Nations (no less. if there is more however there will be a qualifying round)

Participants: (16/16)
Solenial Rugby Football Union (S.R.F.U)
Taeshan
Miroxia
Septentrionia
Kelssek
Sorthern Northland
Quintessence of Dust
Candelaria And Marquez
Alversia
Lovisa
Liventia
Myedvedeya
West Zirconia
Peisandros
Idanno
An Blascaod Mór

Host Bids:
Septentrionia
Kelssek
Kjomasasopia

Pre-competition Friendlies:
None

Im in, but sol it would be the 11th. You may not havce been in the one in the summer, run by Kelssek but i think you were, anyways this would be number 11.

okay i'll change it when or if i post the Roster Thread.

i'm in dude

We'll enter this Rugby World Cup. As we also have a good experience of international tournament hosting, we'll also bid to host this World Cup.

We are in like the latest fall fashions from top designers around the world.

If I must I'm willing to start a streak of hosting stuff back-to-back. I've also got a spreadsheet scorinator handy if anyone else hosting wants it.

We might as well enter this. About time we won some more runners up medals.

Yo K i though you were thinking about running a winter olympics around this time.

I have always said that the planned time for it will be late Jan-early Feb.

10 More Spaces

We'd like to take part.

By the way, would anyone want to play Warm-Up Tests, as is done IRL?

Present and accounted for.

Alversia would like to sign up for the Rugby World Cup

and I woudn't mind playing a warm-up test series

lovisa would like to start in this competition.

"Scorination (if needed)"? If you're bidding to host, you're bidding to do everything in the tournament, including generate the scores. That's the host's primary job - the OOC stuff. The IC stuff like stadia is far less important.

You must talk more about the scorinator, scorination method, RP bonus et cetera if you want yours to be considered a serious bid.

Liventia signs up for RWC 11, although we honestly cannot remember having ever been in one before. We probably have, though.

4 more spaces and I want to take back my bid to host, i want to focus more on RP'ing this time.

EDIT: I will, however, be happy to scorinate any pre-competition friendlies.

Myedvedeya In.

SCORINATION
I have a highly accurate scorinator at my disposal.
although home made, the scorinator produces accurate international scorelines, eg nothing like 63 beats 56.
the scorinator generates several numbers, one of which is times by 5, one by 2, one by 3. this produces the 4 scoring methods (try, conversion, dropgoal, penalty kick.) and then adds the total scores up. it generates 2 scores at one time, where i shall award the team with the larger rp bonus the victorious scoreline. if the teams have very close rp levels, than a 2-3 point win or a draw should be the case. if no rp at all/little rp'ing, then your ability to score shall be subsidised. length of rp will not be taken into account, as rp will be judged with one rule:QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY. this means if your rp is long, but waffling on about what shoe size the emperor of Gagashilki has, where the team was spotted fishing etc then it wont be as effective. be precise and to the point.

Sorry, you can't seriously award the team with a better RP bonus the better scoreline. That's the wrong way of doing things. Quality of RPs is also subjective. "Waffling on" about tangentially related stuff can make for great RPing storylines. RP is not always about the match and you cannot possibly limit that. How does ranks play into your scorinator? it seems like it won't have any effect at all based on what you've said, and that's not right either.

There are several serious problems I see with this bid:

the scorinator generates several numbers, one of which is times by 5, one by 2, one by 3. this produces the 4 scoring methods (try, conversion, dropgoal, penalty kick.) and then adds the total scores up.

Are you aware that conversions are directly related to tries, and that a try must be scored before scoring a conversion is possible? You can't simply have a random number of tries and an independently random number of conversions.

Incidentally, if you've already got one ready to go, why the need to ask for my scorinator? If you just want to know how it works, it bascially generates a random score which is influenced by the bonus I assign to a team, which includes a bonus for past performance (i.e. ranking). I also would want ranking to be factored in, and not just because I was in the semis last time.

where i shall award the team with the larger rp bonus the victorious scoreline.

Since RP bonus is being awarded subjectively, doesn't this basically mean that you will be giving teams wins based on who you like more? Furthermore, it seems you're going to narrowly define what RPs you find "acceptable". This will severely cramp the style and fun of the whole thing. Some guys (like me) want to pretend these competitions are actually happening and try for a measure of "realism", some guys want complete off-the-wall silliness. It frankly is not your business to judge one style as being "better"; that isn't the spirit in which we do these things anyway.

The Kelssek bid

Scorinator
It is spreadsheet-based, and as described above:

it bascially generates a random score which is influenced by the bonus I assign to a team

Each team is given a "bonus". The boosting effect of this bonus on the score of that team is determined by a randomly generated number, which in turn affects the score, which is the sum of three randomly-generated numbers. So, yes, it is random numbers, essentially. The formula is:

[(4 random numbers)/3]*(bonus*x)

where x is a random number between 0 and 0.999.

The specifics of how the points were scored will not be provided, leaving it up to participants to RP tries, penalties, etc. This allows, in my view, for more creativity.

RP bonus and ranks
Ranks based on the previous RWCs will be factored in; forming a component of the total bonus. The other component is a subjective judging of overall RP quality, which will be cumulative through the competition, but with more weight being given to more recent RPs. RP bonus will have a greater influence than ranking, but high-ranked teams will do well consistently as they have a basic, constant "bonus". A small bonus will also be given for posting a roster to penalise those who do not, since not posting a roster makes RPing for others a bit more of a pain.

I will not directly penalise anyone for "bad" RPing. While admittedly subjective, I will judge based on my perception of the amount of effort and originality put into it. I will, however, definitely not give you less or no RP bonus because I don't like RPs about people named Dallas or commentators who have issues regarding the letter R.

Format
Number of groups and how many in each group will be determined from the final number of signups. As it stands now, the group stage will eliminate all but 8 teams and from there it will be single-elimination.

Win - 4 points.
Draw - 2 points
Loss - 0 points
Bonus point awarded for losing by 7 points or less, and for winning by 14 points or more.

Tie-breaking will be:
1. Head-to-head result
2. Points difference
3. Points for

Do we have rankings for the teams?

Probally not because in the last on it went haywire and the results were flip flopped from what they were the last few. So i would start a new ranking after this one.

Ahhh, rugby - a sport still played by a handful of clubs with a load of amateurs. At least it is in West Zirconia.

However, we shall enter a team (OOC: and attempt to RP as well), to attempt to raise the profile of the sport.

Or destroy it, depending on our performance...

Yep, Peisandros in please!

Probally not because in the last on it went haywire and the results were flip flopped from what they were the last few. So i would start a new ranking after this one.

What you would do, and what's reality, can be two totally different things. Fact is there are rankings, as far as I'm aware, and it's wrong to say "probably not". If there were issues with RWC10, the rankings from after RWC9 can always be used.

Well we did, but there was so few teams in the last one, and it had been a long time since the one before and whoever ran it(kelsse i think) just went and started afresh.^^

well im taking my ball, and going home
kjo withdraws bid and participation.

There are several serious problems I see with this bid:



Are you aware that conversions are directly related to tries, and that a try must be scored before scoring a conversion is possible? You can't simply have a random number of tries and an independently random number of conversions.
well, I expect that international level rugby players can make shots at goal.
unless they are Stirling Mortlock.

Incidentally, if you've already got one ready to go, why the need to ask for my scorinator? If you just want to know how it works, it bascially generates a random score which is influenced by the bonus I assign to a team, which includes a bonus for past performance (i.e. ranking). I also would want ranking to be factored in, and not just because I was in the semis last time.
i wanted to see what yours was like before i used mine. if it was better, i wouldve pulled out of bidding. and i dont like "past results" scorination. new teams/nations breaking into the scene such as myself will have to wait 4-5 WC's to even get looked at for finals contention, which is BS imo.
to use a real life example;
two words:
ALL BLACKS.
world #1's, but when it comes to World Cups, they choke. choke up bad.
but if the all black were an NS nation, they wouldnt lose a game, or socre less than 100, according to "past results" and "reputation"
BIT FAT B S.

Since RP bonus is being awarded subjectively, doesn't this basically mean that you will be giving teams wins based on who you like more? Furthermore, it seems you're going to narrowly define what RPs you find "acceptable". This will severely cramp the style and fun of the whole thing. Some guys (like me) want to pretend these competitions are actually happening and try for a measure of "realism", some guys want complete off-the-wall silliness. It frankly is not your business to judge one style as being "better"; that isn't the spirit in which we do these things anyway.
1. i don't know anyone in this tournament, therefroe i dont like any of them.
2. i enjoy a good quality story; non-sequitors are quite enjoyable, but i define a bad RP as "yeah, i arrived and then we trained then this dragon attacked me and i got injured but i'm much better now." a) no dragons in KJO and b) who is "i"?
anyway, you can stick this whereever you want, NS Union Community. kjo is going into the desert with a horse with no name.

and i dont like "past results" scorination. new teams/nations breaking into the scene such as myself will have to wait 4-5 WC's to even get looked at for finals contention, which is BS imo.


Not true. I've competed in two Union tournaments on NS, (admittedly I'm unsure whether ranks were used in either) in the first I got to the semi-finals, and in the second I was the losing finalist (C&M won that tournament in what I believe was his second RWC entry, in a completed tournament anyway). I would therefore consider Sorthern Northland to be one of the more established Rugby nations to have signed up.

As for the rankings, this isn't the football World Cup and as such there aren't large numbers taking part and the competition isn't exactly a regular one, so it's not like your going to have to start ranked 100 and then work your way up. In fact of the thirteen nations signed thus far, I think only around half have taken part in either of the competitions I've been in, so non-ranked nations would effectively be starting with a ranking of sixth or seventh, and whilst the rankings are obviously going to favour the numbers ones and twos slightly, with quality RPing, every nation should have a chance.

How likely is it we'll get 16? If, minus Kjomasasopia, we have 12, would it be possible to go ahead with that number? World Cup X only had 10 nations.

We tried to participate in Snake Eaters's World Cup VIII, which took so long to get off the ground it ended up not going ahead.

Yeah we usually have 10-16 teams since i started playing rugby

hey everyone, my names nathan, and im kjos roomate
he wants to say he is sorry for blowin up on your thread and he didnt leave because of you, hes just really stressed atm.

All right guys, I present to you:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/kelchek/rwc11logo.png
Credit to Kelssek for the logo

Septentrionia might be a young contender in worldwide sports, but it still has a good experience in hosting sporting events: For instance, both the World Cup of Hockey 6 (Coupe du Monde de Hockey 6) and the World Cup 42 (Coupe du Monde de Soccer 42) were successfully held in Septentrionia. The building spree of stadia for the World Cup bids also provided most of these stadia to be fitted for the Bostopian sport of Rugball, a sport played on Rugby pitches. That sport is mostly played in winter, when there is no soccer team using the pitches. However, the sport gained in popularity quickly and so did Rugby Union. La Fédération Septentrionienne de Football Bostopien, also responsible for the Rugby in Septentrionia, saw the occasion right to host the Rugby World Cup so that the sport is known in the nation. So, with the agreement of the ASS for the stadia, they're formally putting forward a bid to host this eleventh Rugby Football World Cup.

If I get to host, I'm going to use a variation of my American Football scorinator. It's been modified to produce Rugby scores instead, so don't worry, no team will win 35-4.

For the rankings, I'm going to use the last edition's final positions and convert them into points so that RP Bonus can be applied correctly. This RP Bonus is going to be applied according to the quality and quantity. If you RP more than once per match day, all of these will be considered as one single continuous RP.

The number of points awarded to teams will be 4 points for a win, 2 point for a draw and no point for a loss. As well, a bonus point will be given to a team that loses by less than 8 points (that is: 7 or less). There will be 4 groups of 4 teams each, top 2 progressing to the Quarter-finals. To make this World Cup last slightly longer, a double round robin format is going to be used. Tiebreakers will actually be wins, number of wins for games between tied teams, points difference, points for then bonus points.
Finally, the stadia to be used during this Rugby World Cup:

Stade des Vals
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Oli55/Stadedesvalsrugby.jpg
Location: Val-Profond, Montagnais
Capacity: 56,341

Stade du Rivage
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Oli55/StadeduRivageRugby.jpg
Location: Ourseville, Capitale
Capacity: 68,300

Stade 1093
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Oli55/Stade1093Rugby.jpg
Location: Ourseville, Capitale
Capacity: 80,000

Stade du Dauphin
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Oli55/StadeduDauphinrugby.jpg
Location: Dauphin, Sud-Costale
Capacity: 50,000

Complexe SR Banque Économique
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Oli55/ComplexeSRBanqueconomiqueRugby-1.jpg
Location: Septentrionalis, Septem-Triones
Capacity: 85,300

Parc Richelieu
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Oli55/ParcRichelieuRugby-2.jpg
Location: Lac-Amédée, Nord-Costale
Capacity: 40,000

If you have any question about this bid (I know there will be some, because it is definitely not complete), I'm ready to answer them

Righto, if you do host the competition how you will post the scores? Will you just post them with the number of points each team scored or will you post them as the number of points each team scored along with the number of tries etc scored?

Secondly why 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw as opposed to the normal 4 for a win and 2 for a draw?

Thirdly what tie breakers will be used in the group stage for teams level on points?

And last but not least pistachio nuts or prawn crackers? :P

1) Only number of points. The number of tries/penalties/etc is not outputted by the scorinator.

2) I don't know much about Rugby, so I thought they'd use the same format as in soccer. I guess we'll use the 4-2-0 format if it makes more people happy

3) Tie Breakers: Wins, Points For then Point Differential

Will you be awarding the bonus point for scoring four tries? And likewise for losing by less than seven points? (In the table, that is, not in the match, in case that wasn't clear.)

Why are you not following the standard head-to-head result as first tiebreaker, since there are almost nearly no draws in rugby? Don't you think using the standard set of rugby union table tiebreakers would be better, compared to football where there is no one standard set?

1) I don't really believe in such a bonus, because then there is less RPing freedom. In other sports, only scores are given and people RP from that. Why should I be the one telling them "You scored five tries this time! RP accordingly" while RPing is supposed to be all about freedom. For instance, if you scored 38 points, you could decide you scored only two tries, seven penalties and a drop goal. Godmodding is what makes sport events great. I thought you already knew that :tongue:. Of course, I could award the bonus for losing by or less than 7 points, as this is included in the score.

2) Well, head-to-head would be impractical, as I'd be using a double round robin format. With the great variation of rugby union scores, using head-to-head results could advantage someone who won the first match 52-7 while losing the second one 7-10. However, number of wins between the two tied teams could be used.

Anyway, with all of these questions (and also my limited knowledge of Rugby so far), I guess I'll have to rewrite that bid. But remains assured that these interrogations are only due to my limited knowledge of rugby, not to my disorganisation

if you mob still need teams ill sign up.

my limited skills in mathematics tells me that with Idanno we need one more for 16.

first and final bump.

Just so we don't spend an age waiting for a 16th sign up, An Blascaod Mór will sign up as Sorthern Northland's puppet.

If another "proper" nation wants the space, then we'll withdraw.

Okay then. We have 16.

My bid is final and edited now. May someone start the voting process?

Ok, we'll handle the voting then.

Each nation that has signed up shall get one vote (apart from my puppet nation, An Blascaod Mór, and the two nations bidding to host the tournament). All votes should be sent by telegram to either Sorthern Northland or An Blascaod Mor. The voting shall remain open until 23:59 (GMT) on this coming Monday (8th December).

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KJO VERSION 2.0!

The votes are in and have been counted, and I announce that with two votes against one, the hosts of the next Rugby World Cup will be Septentrionia.

Congratulations to Septentrionia, and commiserations to Kelssek, both of you put forward excellent bids.