NationStates Jolt Archive

It is time for Baseball to once again rule the roost.
The Ninth Edition of the WBC is coming soon to a nation near you!
IF you would like to be a part of the 3rd longest non-Football/Soccer RP event in NS, then please sign-up!

If you are applying to Host, please state your credentials, and we'll vote on the most viable canidate(s).

Qazox 3:16 says: THE CHAMP IS HERE!

Sign Greal up.

Prux will return.
There's your one warning.

Myedvedeya is in

Insert suitable IC excuse here. The Zebras return.

The 3rd best team to ever host a WBC and not win a title will return.

The best team never to win a title, and the best country to never win a tournament lasting more themn 5 cups is in. Wait who is that. Oh the Purple Knights

Um Z do you happen to have the rankings

Tocrowkia is in.

Can somone check my complete history of Tae games by looking at the last 5 tournament scores, i seem to have missed a whole 15 game against a connumdrum of teams and i want to see if anyone can enlighten me on were i went wrong. You can find the list so far on my Knights page on Wikiastates. This help would be apreciated.

(I'll try, but i'm not making any promises, Got a lot on my plate, NSwise.)

We're back to claim the one podium spot that has eluded us.

Liventia will take part and offer to host.

We will participate; will not compete against the Liventia bid. (which is very un-Secristani not to counter a bid, I realize)

Jeruselem will be here ... our team sucks but hey!

Miroxia = in.

i'll host; i just need a scorination program and a day to figure out how it works, though.

We'll sign up!

The rankings: (as usual, use as many decimals as you need...extras are there for cut-and-paste ease)

1. Qazox 4.8152338
2. Zwangzug 3.7496229
3. Milchama 3.4193062
4. Taeshan 3.3001508
5. Newmanistan 3.1274510
6. Prux 2.2209653
7. Liventia 2.1628959
8. Yafor 2 1.7375566
9. Green wombat 1.7058824
10. Tocrowkia 1.1176471
Secristan 1.1176471
12. Xaristan 1.1266968
13. The Indonesian States 1.0837104
14. Mallatarsland 1.0135747
15. Lovisa 0.7843137
16. Bluth Corporation 0.5686275
17. Kenavt 0.4509804
18. Corneliu 0.4615385
19. Jeruselem 0.3333333
Swilatia 0.3333333
Greal 0.3333333
22. Ma Raque 0.2352941
Miroxia 0.2352941
24. Az-cz 0.2307692
25. Kosovoe 0.1666667
26. Quakmybush 0.1538462
Cripistan 0.1538462
Holy Marsh 0.1538462
North Alskboz 0.1538462
30. Ben snavely 0.1176471
Mantwenic 0.1176471

Lovisa in

Thanks Q i just cant seem to figure out how i missed so many games as none of the torunaments had that ammount of games.

Could you have a WBC without Milchama?

I think not. Thus we sign up again. (RL Baseball note: Cubs are idiots for trading Kevin Gregg and losing Kerry Wood/Jose Ceda. Dumb Dumb Dumb)

My good friend Idanno is going bush for a few weeks so I have been assigned to caretaker of his team. therefore, KJO and Idanno are signing up for this. do i need to confirm this with a post from Idanno?

Can anyone enlighten me to how the rankings work?

Can anyone enlighten me to how the rankings work?

Ask Zwangzug for more details, but basically the better you do in a WBC the better your rank is.

It would be nice KJO; to have Idanno confirm.

Current Signups: 19/??
Host Bids: 1/?
(Teams interested to host in italics, Link to bids upon posting of said bid):

Qazox
Greal
Prux
Myedvedeya
Zwangzug
Green wombat
Taeshan
Tocrowkia
Newmanistan
Liventia
Secristan
Jeruselem
Miroxia
Cassadaigua
Lovisa
Milchama
Kjomasasopia
Idanno
The Bluth Corporation

i'll host if i can get a scorinator

if you can send it to me, my email address is theband1776@yahoo.com

The rankings are modeled off the football KPB ranking system. For each tournament, the number of games a team won is divided by the highest number of games any team played. Then the scores from the last three tournaments are added together, with the most recent tournament's score getting a 4x multiplier and the next-most-recent one 2x.

...Having said that I should recalculate these rankings, typing that out made me realize my mistake. Not a major one though. The rankings as displayed now are correct.

Fine, fine, fine, if you insist.

<Ahnold>Veuhll bi buhck</Ahnold>

Yo bluth you planning on running the Aidbca

Yeah...I had some massive computer issues a few months ago, and I only recently restored my nation after it lapsed. I'm getting all my files back up and running, and I plan on restarting the drum corps thing in December.

<Ahnold>Veuhll bi buhck</Ahnold>

Ivan Drago sayz: "Ve Avait Vou"

It would be nice KJO; to have Idanno confirm.

ok ive got his password (for his issues because he didnt want to put it on vacay mode for sum reason!) so ill post a confirmation on behalf of him.

Just to confirm that we're bidding to host (despite also planning to run the field hockey WC, which will likely take place after the WBC).

Bid details:
20/24 teams
Groups of four, playing double round-robin home and away (with respective DH rules of country match is played in)
Top two per group qualify; two groups of five/six in Liventia playing a single round-robin (with DH, although there's no rule saying you can't bat a pitcher even with the DH rule).
Top two qualify for championship game; next two for third place, etc.

Scorinator: This is still in the air. I no longer have the modified spreadsheet I used for the WBC I hosted, but I still have the WBC2 scorinator which I could modify again. Alternatively, I could adjust the formula in NSFS and use that to scorinate the games (either once, or more than once with some weird formula, like the World Bowl).

Stadia isn't important from an OOC point of view and will come later should this bid be selected.

colbourne is in

Updated list
Current Signups: 21/??

Qazox
Greal
Prux
Myedvedeya
Zwangzug
Green wombat
Taeshan
Tocrowkia
Newmanistan
Liventia
Secristan
Jeruselem
Miroxia
Cassadaigua
Lovisa
Milchama
Kjomasasopia
Idanno
The Bluth Corporation
Yafor 2
Colbourne

this is my confirmation that i was supposed to post for Idanno agess ago. so yeah idanno is confirmed.

love, KJO.

Updated list
Current Signups: 22/??

Qazox
Greal
Prux
Myedvedeya
Zwangzug
Green wombat
Taeshan
Tocrowkia
Newmanistan
Liventia
Secristan
Jeruselem
Miroxia
Cassadaigua
Lovisa
Milchama
Kjomasasopia
Idanno
The Bluth Corporation
Yafor 2
Colbourne
Idanno

IF we get at least 2 more, then that should be enough to call in votes for the host (which currently looks like it's Liventia's, unless Miroxia can get a scorinator)

Bump.

Should I send a puppet nation?

Yeah, sounds good.

Should I send a puppet nation?

You can if you want.

Bump.

Rainere will sign-up.

Updated list
Current Signups: 22/??

Qazox
Greal
Prux
Myedvedeya
Zwangzug
Green wombat
Taeshan
Tocrowkia
Newmanistan
Liventia
Secristan
Jeruselem
Miroxia
Cassadaigua
Lovisa
Milchama
Kjomasasopia
Idanno
The Bluth Corporation
Yafor 2
Colbourne
Idanno

IF we get at least 2 more, then that should be enough to call in votes for the host (which currently looks like it's Liventia's, unless Miroxia can get a scorinator)
2 things
1. hi im nathan im back from my expedition early because of s***house weather
2. KJO pulled out of everything indefinately because hes quite stressed irl atm so hes not doing anything for ages.

That's still 22 signups, with the latest entry, which I guess I could find a way to work with.

ok good just makin sure you knew.

Updated list
Current Signups: 21/??

Qazox
Greal
Prux
Myedvedeya
Zwangzug
Green wombat
Taeshan
Tocrowkia
Newmanistan
Liventia
Secristan
Jeruselem
Miroxia
Cassadaigua
Lovisa
Milchama
Idanno
The Bluth Corporation
Yafor 2
Colbourne
Rainere

If Liventia can deal with 22 teams, I guess I'll hand over the reins to them.
It will be their call to end signups.

I doubt we're getting any more signups, so they're closed.

Since there are 22 teams involved (and that's a horrible number), I am going to put forward the suggestion that the host and the defending champions qualify directly for the finals, with 20 teams in pre-qualifying. Five groups of four, playing games home and away with respective DH rules of hosts. Top two per group qualify for final group stage.

Two groups of six in Liventia playing a single round-robin (with DH, although there's no rule saying you can't bat a pitcher even with the DH rule). Top two qualify for championship game; next two for third place, etc.

OR
If entrants feel that they don't want the defending champions and hosts to get byes, then I'd do it this way:
11 ties, home and away. 11 teams with winning aggregate score + best loser on aggregate qualify for finals. Two groups of six in Liventia playing a single round-robin. Top two qualify for championship game; next two for third place, etc.

Thoughts?

I would go along with the first proposal just fine (I don't really like the second), but what about two groups of eleven where every plays each other once? While seeming big at first, it's really not going to be significantly any more matchdays then the first proposal.
It ends up being 5 home and 5 road for everyone, and you could "borrow" the fixture assignment list from Baptism of Fire 27 to make scheduling 100times easier.

From there top four, our top six (with byes for the top two) advance.

Dammit! Idanno is listed twice on the signup sheet, so we're really only at 21. If that's the case, only the defending champions (or the hosts, whichever you people prefer) will auto-qualify for the finals.

or i could send my puppet

or i could send my puppet

That will work.

Liventia, I have no problem with you having the hosts making the finals automatically, but Having the defending champs auto-qualify (OOCly i like the idea, seeing as I am the defending champion :p) doesn't seem right to me.

Would 3 groups of 7 teams work out for you at all?

The Cup of Harmony 35 format should be able to work, right? Three groups of seven, top three advance with a "play in" between the two worst third place teams?

Doesn't seem like we need to be giving anyone a bye, and if we gave the host a bye, this may set a precedent. Do we want that? I'd rather if a bye needed to be made, that it go to the defending champ.

Or we could just go with a miroxian puppet, a entrance from Kosovoe and the return of west Pocono making it 24 with 4 grous of 6 and top two making to knockouts.

I would really want to avoid puppets. The main problem with them in such a small tournament is that it's unlikely they will contribute any RP, and that's not my goal.

I'd rather not though see a team make it to the finals, or playoffs, second round whatever without earning there right thrwew qua;ifying in the first group stage

I'd rather not though see a team make it to the finals, or playoffs, second round whatever without earning there right thrwew qua;ifying in the first group stage

Agreed.

How's this then?

Option 1
21 teams: 4 groups x 4 + 1 group x 5 = 21

Home-and-away round-robin preliminary round. Top two per group qualify (10). Rest of teams collated into a single table, with the best two also qualifying.

Finals: 12 teams: 4 groups x 3, single round robin in Liventia. Group winners move on to semi-finals (best of 5); final is best-of-7.

Minimum number of matchdays: 19; maximum: 24

OR:
Option 2

3 groups x 7 home-and-away; top two from each group qualify (6), best two third-placed teams qualify (8). Direct knockouts in finals (best-of-5, with final best-of-7)

Minimum number of matchdays: 24; maximum: 31

OR:
Option 3

3 groups x 7 home-and-away; top four from each group qualify (12), then follow finals format of option 1.

Minimum number of matchdays: 23; maximum: 28

OR:
Option 4
3 groups x 7 single round-robin in Liventia; top four from each group qualify (12), then follow finals format in option 1.

Minimum number of matchdays: 16; maximum: 21

Thoughts?

Preferred Option: #3
Second Choice: #4

I do not really care for uneven groups, so I can't say #1, but it would be my third choice if necessary.

I do not care, at all, for option 2. Let's say this is the result of the three groups:
Group A: 2 highly active nations, 1 somewhat, 4 dead. The active nations beat up on the dead nations therefore creating good records for the top 3, easily.

Group B: 3 active, 1 somewhat, 3 dead. This group will likely produce a "best of" 3rd place team.

Group C: 5 active, 1 somewhat, 1 dead. Because the active nations are beating up on each other, their third place team is not likely to be as good as group A & B's, thus this is the group that gets left out in the cold for that third spot. This is precisely why I did not use this particular format in the CoH and did the 8-9 play in game.

This is also the main basis why i don't like option 1. I really don't like "best of" formats (i.e. two best third place teams out of three), unless teams have played the others from the other groups, which doesn't really happen in the NS world, because really to me, it just penalizes the active groups more.

I prefer option 3 or 4 my self.

Seems like I missed this thread. I assume it's too late to send the Rennidan lads back then?

I like all the options except Option 1.
If Rennidan joins, Liventia, would that help your scheduling at all? (ie: 2 groups of 5, 2 groups of 6?)

I would go for option 3 although if we just wait a few days while were arguing enoguh teams will sign up by then

I would go for option 3 although if we just wait a few days while were arguing enoguh teams will sign up by then

Have you realised aside from Rennidan, no one else has signed up despite this thread consistently being near the top?

On that note, with 22 teams I'd revert to this, if no one wants byes:
11 ties, home and away. 11 teams with winning aggregate score + best loser on aggregate qualify for finals. Two groups of six in Liventia playing a single round-robin. Top two qualify for championship game; next two for third place, etc.

No more waiting, its time to play ball. This sign up thread is going on a month. (started on Nov 14). Liventia's 22-team proposal is fine. Let's play.

Yeah. Let's get it on. D: <

LET'S GET this going. 22 teams, And the Play-in format sounds good. Let's go.