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The time has come to begin sign-ups for the 4th World Bowl! So far this competition has seen three very successful tournaments, and there should be no reason to expect anything less in the 4th edition.

The World Bowl, if you don't know, is the great game of Football.... the American way, known to many also as Gridiron.

Signups will conclude at 12:01 AM Eastern US time on Saturday, Nov. 15. The competition will not begin until World Cup qualifying is over. It may, somewhat, coincide with the World Cup Proper and Cup of Harmony.

Also, if you wish to host the competition, you can feel free to make that interest known in your signup. Qazox, who is also the defending champion, has previously expressed an interest to host this but anyone should feel welcome to bid to host as well if they so desire.

Signups:
1. Newmanistan
2. Vephrall
3. Dancougar
4. Greal
5. Kjomasasopia
6. Qazox (original host bid made)
7. Sarzonia
8. Arroza
9. Rennidan
10. Secristan
11. Miroxia
12. Myedvedeya
13. Mantwenic
14. Taeshan
15. Kura-Pelland
16. Lovisa
17. Cotenshire
18. Cassadaigua
19. Christstan
20. Lurikastan
21. Northwest Polaris
22. Swilatia
23. The Candrian Empire
24. Colbourne
25. Nethertopia
26. Antitidum

We'd like to especially welcome the new people that have signed up so far!

After being absent from the second and third editions, Vephrall is ready to make its return in World Bowl IV.

The Black Wings will be back with less Pretty Sportsman Erika, unless we play Qazox, because we know how much they love it there.

Greal is joining!

Count me in!

KJO will join up.

THE CHAMP IS HERE! again, and still puts in Host bid. (details will be out Before end of sign-ups)

"Gridball? I thought we were done with international sporting competition!"

"C'mon! This'll be fun!"

"I don't know about that."

Vice President for Health and Athletics Jimmy Marshall looked absent-mindedly at the proposal. Sarzonia previously hosted an AO Bowl tournament and competed in a previous World Bowl edition. The team was a disaster in the regional tournament as far as record was concerned, but advanced to the semifinals of the World Bowl a long time ago.

However, the days of Sarzonian sporting glory had long since passed. Sarzonia continued to enjoy its various domestic leagues, but the vagaries of World Cup rivalries and the expenses involved in securing visas, firming up flights and arranging hotels had gotten to be too much of a chore.

Marshall eyed the man sitting across from him. Even though he was in his late 50s, the man exuded a sense of youth with a spiky haircut and the background of an athlete. He brought new ideas to the team based on something called a West Coast offense, but he also acknowledged Sarzonia's traditional smash mouth running style.

"We've got the potential here to do some great things," the man said. "I think this tournament is what we need in Sarzonia to get our minds off the election and everything associated with returning to the world stage."

Marshall thought for a moment, looking out the window. His nephew Bryan, Jr. was parking his Estrella Comet in the far parking lot. Either way, he'd have to give the man his decision in the next couple of minutes. Finally, he turned toward the man with his right lips turned slightly upward into a smirk.

"All right, you win. You can build the team and start training. Good luck." He added as sort of an afterthought, "you're gonna need it."

"Thank you Mr. Vice President." The man then thrust his right arm forward with his fingers facing Marshall. The two men shook hands. Then, just as quickly as he'd burst into Marshall's office with the crazy idea of reassembling the Sarzonian gridball team, Jim Zorn stood up and walked out, already plotting his roster.

Then, Sarzonia announced its return to the sporting world by signing up for World Bowl IV.

In.

We have withdrawn the conditional bid that once was contained right here in this very post.

We're there.

We'll be back.

count me in

The Bears will be back, and declare our intentions to support Newmanistan's bid if the war in Qazox is not resolved. Otherwise, we would firmly support defending champs Qazox in hosting.

I will be there

ditto

The Arrows are in again.

Lovisa in

The Qazoxian GridIron Association (QGIA) would like to settle a rumor that the current conflict within the Q Continuum would preclude Qazox from hosting the 4th World Bowl event. Since the conflicts are in neighboring countries, Qazox itself is safe from the side-effects of any the conflict. The travel ban currently in effect for foreigners is not in effect for sporting events and all of the proposed venues are far enough away from the frontlines as to be safe as well.

The Taale-Voren Eagles shall participate again in this World Bowl competition.

I think we'll do this too!

With Qazox's promise that the war will not effect the World Bowl and that security will ensure the fans from all nations can attend games without being in any danger, then we will drop our conditional bid.

(OOC: I'm not quite sure how realistic it is since the World Bowl would be considered a major terrorist target even with it being away from the frontlines, but I want you to host it anyway so we'll take your word. We'll be back to bid for #5).

(OOC: I'm not quite sure how realistic it is since the World Bowl would be considered a major terrorist target even with it being away from the frontlines, but I want you to host it anyway so we'll take your word. We'll be back to bid for #5).

(ooc: Think China with the most recent Olympics or Moscow in 1980 or even Berlin in 1936. Just because ICly I'm telling you its safe, doesn't really mean that its safe. Just think of the RP possiblities of having to play under an armed guard, or in a city devestated by war or just as your team scores the winning TD as time expires, a bomb goes off in the stadium.. ETC.)

My FULL Host Bid will be forthcoming later tonight.

QGIA OFFICAL BID for WORLD BOWL IV

Scorination:
The QGIA will use a modified version of the Oxen Cup simulator. Styles for teams will be limited to +3 (High offense) to -3 (High defense), instead of the usual +5/-5. For 2 point conversions, a +1/0/-1 rating will be used, with a +1 team attempting 60% of all extra points as 2-pts, a 0 team attempting them 30% of the time, and a -1 team attempting them only as necessary. A slight "home field advantage" bonus will apply as well. Two sample scorinations with 4 teams is below, the 1st with all 4 teams reveiving NO RP bonuses. the 2nd is with the 4 teams with differing RP bonuses. In each case the modifers are the same and are simmed w/o the "home field advantage", or HFA; bonus. Any OTs which might occur will have the 2pt conversion factor as part of the determination of a winner (if any.. See "Setup" below for more details)

4-team sample, NO RP bonuses
Team A +3 modifier/-1 2pt conversion
Team B +1 modifier/0 2pt conversion
Team C -1 modifier/ +1 2pt conversion
Team D -3 modifier/0 2pt conversion
Results
A @ B Team A wins 25-18
C @ D Team D wins 13-10
B @ D Team B wins 22-10
C @ A Team A wins 20-17 (ot)
D @ A TIE 16-16
B @ C Team C wins 20-17

Standings:
Record W-L-T PF/PA PD
Team A 2-0-1 61/51 +10
Team D 1-1-1 39/48 -9
Team C 1-2-0 47/50 -3
Team B 1-2-0 57/55 +2

Avg PPG/PAG for each team:
A (+3) 20.3/17.0 +3.3
B (+1) 19.0/18.3 +0.7
C (-1) 15.7/16.7 -1.0
D (-3) 13.0/16.0 -3.0


4-team sample, differing RP bonuses
Team A +3 modifier/-1 2pt conversion NO RP bonus
Team B +1 modifier/0 2pt conversion Small RP bonus
Team C -1 modifier/ +1 2pt conversion Average RP bonus
Team D -3 modifier/0 2pt conversion Large RP bonus
Results
A @ B Team B wins 24-20
C @ D Team D wins 23-16
B @ D TIE 21-21
C @ A Team C wins 17-13
D @ A Team D wins 21-20
B @ C Teams B wins 28-24

Standings:
Record W-L-T PF/PA PD
Team D 2-0-1 65/57 +8
Team B 2-0-1 73/65 +8
Team C 1-2-0 57/64 -7
Team A 0-3-0 53/62 -9
Avg PPG/PAG for each team:
A (+3) 17.7/20.7 -3.0
B (+1) 24.3/21.7 +2.7
C (-1) 19.0/21.3 -2.3
D (-3) 21.7/19.0 +2.7

PD Differences in RP/Not RP
Team A: PD -6.33 (almost a TD a game down)
Team B: PD +3.67 (just over a FG a game up)
Team C: PD -1.67 (a missed 2pt conversion down)
Team D: PD +4.33 (just over 2 2pt conversions made up)

As you can see, RP will play a significant factor in the scorination, though the RP Bonus will remain a secret as to how we factor it in and the amount it will factor into the scorination. Note that the above samples DID NOT include rankings. Rankings will most likely add about an extra point for every 3 ranks above the median rank and vice-versa
(ooc1: since I don't have the actual rankings, i couldn't sim with them. IF i do get them, ie they are posted in here, then I'll run a sample with rankings, but no RP.)
(OOC2: Yes I noticed that overall the combined PPG went up from the NO RP bonus to the RP bonus, but it was due to the small statistical sampling I was usuing. If I used 20 teams and done the same sampling, the Combined PPG between the 2 samples would be almost identical)


Setup:
Depending on the number of signups, the groups will be made to be as even as possible. IE 16 signups, 4 divisions of 4, 18 signups, 3 divisions of 6, etc. Each team will play a home and away series with every other team in the group. Also, dependent on the number of signups, the number of teams from each group advancing to the championship round will vary.

For each game, NFL rules will be in effect, meaning: TIES. Since the simulator doesn't determine a Home team, excepting the HFA, The home team will "receive" the ball first in every OT. The OT will be scorinated as usual, (see above for scorination) and IF there is a tie after the OT, then it will be a tie. In the championship round, a game cannot end in a tie, and therefore will be scorinated until a winner is determined, with the # of scorinations equal to the # of OTs.

In determining playoff/Group champions/seeding the following tiebreakers will be used for any number of ties. IF multiple teams are tied, once one of the effected teams has either been eliminated or advanced on a tiebreaker, the remaining teams will restart the tiebreaker process from the 1st tiebreaker.
PLAYOFFS/ Group Title
1- Best H2H Record amongst the teams.
2- Overall Point differential.
3- Best Point differential in H2H games amongst the teams.
4- Best Road Record.
5- Best Road Point differential.
6- Most Points For.
7- Most Points For in H2H games amongst the teams.
8- Most Road Points For.
9- Most Points For in regulation.
10- Coin Flip.

CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND Seeding
1- Most wins (ie: a team that is 7-1 would be seeded higher than a 6-0-2 team, even though the Win% is the same.)
2- Overall Point differential.
3- Best Road Point differential.
4- Most Points For.
5- Most Road Points For.
6- Most Points For in regulation.
7- Coin Flip.


Security:
Even though Qazox is currently at war with neighboring nations, the Qazoxian National Guard will provide security for the championship rounds, the World Bowl and any home games in Qazox. The venues chosen are over 300 miles from the frontlines of the war and a constant air defense system is in place to prevent any aerial attacks. Every stadium will have local and federal agents undercover and in uniform to provide security and all streets within 1/4 mile of the stadia will be closed to all vehicles excepting Fire, EMS and Police vehicles. Fans will be searched twice before entering the stadium, once at the exits of designated parking areas, and once before entering the stadium grounds. Fans will also be subject to random in-stadium searches.

Venues:
The following stadia will be used, if Qazox is selected as hosts.

Estadia Pika, Pika City. GridIron Capacity: 86,487.
Ganja Vodka Park, Lake Porter City. GridIron Capacity: 74,782.
Toro Rojo Stadium, Las Vitas. GridIron Capacity: 77,000.
Lorax Field, Lorax City. GridIron Capacity: 84,150.
WORLD BOWL FINAL: Champions Field, Qazox City. GridIron Capacity: 92,862.


This concludes the QGIA bid.

ooc:^style mods? oh dear, i've never had much luck with those...halp?

Christstan is in this one!

Lurikastan will sign up...

Arrozan Ministry of Sport Football Rankings (After World Bowl 3)

Open Office Calc File. (http://www.mediafire.com/?gm4m3ezfbxn)

Excel Version (http://www.mediafire.com/?1yqlgyyr202) (I don't guarantee that this will work)

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3413/rankingsuk6.png

Nice & quick 20 signing up so far.... looking real good!

Arroza, thanks for doing the rankings.

Qazox, I was going to suggest a tone down to +/- 3 from +/- 5 in the style modifier but looks like I didn't have to! I think it will be better now with a +/- 3.

we're in

We're ready for another world bowl, even though we suck ass at american football.

The Knights ride again!

colbourne is in

*has no clue what the exact rules of AF are*

*goes to wiki page*

*reads*

*is done reading*

*is very interested*

Joins

(OOC: There's probably not going to be any interest at all, but the least thing Tenderville4Sportswear could do is try: )

T4S, as you may or may not know, is a sportswear company. Until today they only created Association Football (or soccer, if you prefer) kits. But today we launch an American Football kit line as well! Here's the Nethertopia Falcons kit:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3508/nethertopiafalconsir8.png

Would you fancy a kit like that? Would you? This is your chance! The only thing you need to tell us is what colors you'd prefer, if you want a special arm strip and/or leg stripes and give (or let us make) the logo for on your helmet and on the shirt (or your nation's flag, if you'd prefer). You can request kits in this link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=567328).

Just for informational purposes, 25 teams is a very good number for me to host. Any more than that is just gravy.

antidum will be joining game too the first time ever !!!

Gravy is nice... 26 and counting. Let's make Qazox want a co-host. ;)

Gravy is nice... 26 and counting. Let's make Qazox want a co-host. ;)

With the system I'm using, I can handle any evenly divided number up to 40. Beyond that, my computer begins to lock up a bit. IF we can get 30 or 32 before the 15th, then we can call it.

Newmanistan is requesting seven opponents to come to Tundra Falls for an exhibition knockout tournament with all proceeds benefitting charity. The exhibition tournament will begin as soon as seven nations sign up. You don't have to provide a roster for it anything, just mention the charity your nation is playing for. It has nothing, technically, to do with the world bowl, but could provide your team good experience and not to mention it may make them feel good about helping those in need. (everything to do with this can stay on this thread).

OK (sorry it took so long, but had a busy week at work)

HERE are the SIMS w/rankings and the same style modifiers as the last SIMs. with the same/No RP bonus or HFA bonuses factored in and all are 0/0 on modifiers.

4-team sample, NO RP bonuses or all same RP bonus
Team A Ranking: 15.00
Team B Ranking: 10.00
Team C Ranking: 5.00
Team D Ranking: 0.00

Results
A @ B Team A wins 34-23
C @ D Team C wins 20-9
B @ D Team B wins 27-10
C @ A Team A wins 38-17
D @ A Team A wins 35-0
B @ C Team B wins 27-21

Standings:
Record W-L-T PF/PA PD
Team A 3-0-0 107/40 +67
Team B 2-1-0 77/65 +12
Team C 1-2-0 58/74 -16
Team D 0-3-0 19/82 -63

Avg PPG/PAG (PtD) for each team:
A (+3) 35.7/13.3 +22.4
B (+1) 25.7/21.7 +4.0
C (-1) 19.3/24.7 -5.4
D (-3) 6.3/27.3 -21.0



With no RP bonuses involved, the higher the rank, and the higher the Style modifier, the more likely a higher ranked team is to blow-out a lower ranked one.

BUT....THANK GOD for RP bonuses yes?

AND now the reSIMs w/ranking, Style Modifiers and RP factored in. (still no HFA bonuses, as any advantage gained by the HFA bonus would not make that much difference in the result, only in PtD)

4-team sample, w/ differing RP bonuses (purposely inverted from ranking)
Team A Ranking: 15.00/ 0 RP bonus
Team B Ranking: 10.00/Small RP bonus
Team C Ranking: 5.00/Average RP bonus
Team D Ranking: 0.00/Large RP bonus

Results
A @ B Team B wins 28-27
C @ D Team D wins 17-13
B @ D Team B wins 24-20
C @ A Team A wins 27-23
D @ A Team A wins 31-28
B @ C Team C wins 24-20

Standings:
Record W-L-T PF/PA PD
Team B 2-1-0 72/71 +1
Team A 2-1-0 86/79 +6
Team D 1-2-0 65/68 -3
Team C 1-2-0 60/64 -4

Avg PPG/PAG for each team:
A (+3) 28.3/26.3 +2.0
B (+1) 24.0/23.7 +0.3
C (-1) 20.0/21.3 -1.3
D (-3) 21.7/22.7 -1.0



(BTW, IF i factored in the HFA, Team A (the highest ranked, and highest modded, but had no RP would have lost all 3 of its games by an average of 3 points, while the other 3 teams would have finished 2-1 with the exact same GD, of +3.)

PD Differences in RP/Not RP ORIGINAL SIM
Team A: PD -6.33 (almost a TD a game down)
Team B: PD +3.67 (just over a FG a game up)
Team C: PD -1.67 (a missed 2pt conversion down)
Team D: PD +4.33 (just over 2 2pt conversions made up)

PD Differences in RP/Not RP Rank included Sim
Team A: PD -21.33 (3 TD a game down, YIKES!)
Team B: PD -3.67 (just over a FG a game down)
Team C: PD +4.67 (a FG and a 2pt conversion up)
Team D: PD +20.00 (Almost 3 TD's up!!!!)

SO what did we learn?

RP. RP. RP. It will help the lower ranked teams a bit more than the higher ranked ones, but the higher ranks can make up for it based on their rank. (In fact it seems like the style modifier doesn't seem to make a difference, but trust me it does.)

I do have a limit to what a team posts that would count for the RP bonus. The RP Bonus will be only cumlulative for 3 MD's. So if you RP days 1-3 and not on 4, it will effect you score on MD5.

Our nation would love to participate on all kinds of international sports. But we are concerned of traitorous $ defectors. Encouraged $ by the Miami Shorerian Mafia members. Our own Security personell must be at maximum levels.

Foreing Affairs Minister, Felipe Perez Roque.
LHC State Council of Ministers Collective.
La Habana Cuba Democratic Socialist Republic

Newmanistan is requesting seven opponents to come to Tundra Falls for an exhibition knockout tournament with all proceeds benefitting charity. The exhibition tournament will begin as soon as seven nations sign up. You don't have to provide a roster for it anything, just mention the charity your nation is playing for. It has nothing, technically, to do with the world bowl, but could provide your team good experience and not to mention it may make them feel good about helping those in need. (everything to do with this can stay on this thread).

The Black Falcons (New nickname for our AF team, since falcons are occupied (and we decided to change our kit into something more aggressive)) are interested to play, and they will represent the Charity fund for PTSD patients.

Falcons are taken. I didnt know that.(im the Fitin' Falcons) jeese we know have a maximum of Falcon and Knights. wow.

Falcons are taken. I didnt know that.(im the Fitin' Falcons) jeese we know have a maximum of Falcon and Knights. wow.

Says who?

Well theres just a lot of em.

Newmanistan is requesting seven opponents to come to Tundra Falls for an exhibition knockout tournament with all proceeds benefitting charity. The exhibition tournament will begin as soon as seven nations sign up. You don't have to provide a roster for it anything, just mention the charity your nation is playing for. It has nothing, technically, to do with the world bowl, but could provide your team good experience and not to mention it may make them feel good about helping those in need. (everything to do with this can stay on this thread).

The Brutes are all for helping charity. Money will go towards the Renovation of the Industrial District.

And this is somewhat reminicent to what I held prior to World Bowl I. Can't wait for the day where the World Bowl gets its own versions of the BoF and CoH. =D

We'll do the charity tournament and we will be playing to benefit Cassadagan Breast Cancer Research.

Myedvedeya would be interested in the Charity tournament. The bears would be playing to represent the Myedvedeyan Families of Wounded Veterans Fund.

Arroza would like to sign up for the Charity Invitational, and will be playing for the victims of Hurricane Helene.

CURRENT UPDATED SIGN UPS
(as of 10:00pm EST)

Newmanistan
Vephrall
Dancougar
Greal
Kjomasasopia
Qazox (original host bid made)
Sarzonia
Arroza
Rennidan
Secristan
Miroxia
Myedvedeya
Mantwenic
Taeshan
Kura-Pelland
Lovisa
Cotenshire
Cassadaigua
Christstan
Lurikastan
Northwest Polaris
Swilatia
The Candrian Empire
Colbourne
Nethertopia
Antitidum
La Habana Cuba
Tortuga y Hispaniola
Twin Dominions


With 29 signups the current groupings would be:
3 groups of 7, 1 group of 8. Top 4 in each group to playoffs.
The 7-team groups would play 12 games with 2 byes, the 8 team group would play 14 no byes. In determination for playoffs and playoff seeding, matches aganst the 8th placed team in the 8-team group would not count.

27 teams, wow. Excellent showing so far.

Tortuga y Hispaniola would be happy to sign up for this one.

Twin Dominion's own side, the Tricornes, would like to enter the competition.

The Dancougar American Football Black Wings will take the field in Newmanistan to support Teenage Women Without Hammerspace. The drive to provide women with access has been spurred by research at the University of Helmut by esteemed (wait, what?) professor Frederick von Steuben, who found an inverse relationship between attacks on high school girls and number of disproportionately-sized weapons instantly available via interdimensional storage. A competing charity for the same purpose, which seeks to replace their terribly short schoolgirl skirts, is Pants Across Dancougar.

Can't wait for the day where the World Bowl gets its own versions of the BoF and CoH. =D

If this kind of response happens again for World Bowl V from first time users then I actually think we should seriously be considering a Baptism of Fire type tournament.

If this kind of response happens again for World Bowl V from first time users then I actually think we should seriously be considering a Baptism of Fire type tournament.

Why not have your Pre-WB tourney be the BoF, and call it the Newmanistani Bowl?

Looks like there is one spot left for the charity tournament, so Secristan would like to show that they have a heart just like everyone else.

Proceeds will go to the Retired CEO's of Secristan fund.

Why not have your Pre-WB tourney be the BoF, and call it the Newmanistani Bowl?

I think there would be a couple of issues there.

1. Non-traditional BoF squads (countries with World Bowl experience) are already signed on for the Newmanistani trophy.

2. Calling the BoF the Newmanistani Bowl isn't exactly condusive for getting other nations to host it. We don't want them to have to break in the newbies every time.

Wait. Secristan? Playing for charity? I sense an evil plan is afoot.

An announcement from Empress Jessica:

We are honored that seven nations have agreed to sign up for this exhibition tournament for charity, and are especially privileged with the quality of teams that have chosen to make this trip. All eight charities will receive something for their performance. While we will play for a first place team, all teams will have an eventual placement, so if you lose on the first day for example, you are then playing for 5th. If you lose that game, you are then playing for 7th.

We have ranked the nations in accordance to their World Bowl Seedings, and here are the charities that each nation is playing for.

1) Dancougar- Teenage Women Without Hammerspace/ Pants Across Dancougar
2) Arroza- Benefit victims of Hurricane Helene
3) Rennidan- For Renovations to the Industrial District
4) Newmanistan- Benefiit Research for a Cure of Autism
5) Secristan- Retired CEO's Fund
6) Myedvedeya- Benefit Families of Wounded Myedvedeyan Veterans
7) Nethertopia- Benefit PTSD patients
8) Cassadaigua- Benefit Breast Cancer Research

Games that will be scorinated tomorrow (Tues)- all games at Tundra Falls Proving Grounds. (One Round scorinated per day)

(8) Cassadaigua vs (1) Dancougar
(7) Nethertopia vs (2) Arroza
(6) Myedvedeya vs (3) Rennidan
(5) Secristan vs (4) Newmanistan

Prize Money (translated in US Dollars)
1st= $1,000,000
2nd= $500,000
3rd= $250,000
4th= $125,000
5th= $100,000
6th= $50,000
7th= $25,000
8th= $15,000

Why not have your Pre-WB tourney be the BoF, and call it the Newmanistani Bowl?

A little late for that now, I think! And as Arroza pointed out, we already had veteran nations signed up. A BoF type tournament for World Bowl V is something to strongly consider though, but would have to see if we got these kind of numbers again or if this is a one time thing.

I'm guessing a Roster/RP/Scores thread will make an appearance in the near future, just in time for the charity tournament?

I'm guessing a Roster/RP/Scores thread will make an appearance in the near future, just in time for the charity tournament?

It would be a good time, yes. I'm sure our host is working on that thread right as we speak. *cough*

A little late for that now, I think! And as Arroza pointed out, we already had veteran nations signed up. A BoF type tournament for World Bowl V is something to strongly consider though, but would have to see if we got these kind of numbers again or if this is a one time thing.

1- Since it was your idea, that why it is called the Newmanistani Bowl (it doesn't preclude anyone from hosting it)

2- I was thinking that it would start at WB5 anyway.

3- The RP/Rosters/Scores thread will be up in about an hour or so.

World Bowl 4 RP/Roster/Scores thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=572474) is up.

Bumping for at least ONE more!

The Group Draw is located here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14212742&postcount=37

IF one more team signs up by monday, they will be placed in Group 5.

So you didn't seed the teams for the purpose of making pots/seed groups when you set the groups up? I'm asking because you said that you drew teams at random, and Qazox and Rennidan are probably both 1 seeds, and in the same group.

If you need 1 more team, then i'll be the sacrifical lamb.

So you didn't seed the teams for the purpose of making pots/seed groups when you set the groups up? I'm asking because you said that you drew teams at random, and Qazox and Rennidan are probably both 1 seeds, and in the same group.

The #1 listed teams are seeded, JUST NOT seeded to the rankings. I wanted to have a few BIG matchups in the preliminary rounds, Dancougar, K-P, Arroza and myself are seeded, while I made Taeshan the 5th seed instead.

Look at the schedule and if this were RL wouldn't you rather see the following match-ups in the prelims instead of a couple of butt-whoopings? (think of the RPing, won't someone please think of the RPing?)

Group A MD's 1-3 and 6-8
Dancougar vs. Secristan vs. Myedvedeya

Group B MD2, MD5, MD7, MD10
Arroza vs. Vephrall
Vephrall vs. Sarzonia

Group C MD2 and MD7
Taeshan v Newmanistan

Group D MD2 and MD7
Qazox vs Rennidan (battle of the last 2 champs!)

Group E
(well not every group is perfect)

After I seeded the Top 5 teams, then it was randomly drawn. Some groups (Group A and C got tougher draws, while group E did get the short end of the stick, but RP-wise, this WILL be a great tourney. In fact work in your idea that the draw was rigged as an RP!)

And with the addition of Green Wombat SIGN-UPS ARE CLOSED!

The #1 listed teams are seeded, JUST NOT seeded to the rankings. I wanted to have a few BIG matchups in the preliminary rounds, Dancougar, K-P, Arroza and myself are seeded, while I made Taeshan the 5th seed instead.

Look at the schedule and if this were RL wouldn't you rather see the following match-ups in the prelims instead of a couple of butt-whoopings? (think of the RPing, won't someone please think of the RPing?)

Group A MD's 1-3 and 6-8
Dancougar vs. Secristan vs. Myedvedeya

Group B MD2, MD5, MD7, MD10
Arroza vs. Vephrall
Vephrall vs. Sarzonia

Group C MD2 and MD7
Taeshan v Newmanistan

Group D MD2 and MD7
Qazox vs Rennidan (battle of the last 2 champs!)

Group E
(well not every group is perfect)

After I seeded the Top 5 teams, then it was randomly drawn. Some groups (Group A and C got tougher draws, while group E did get the short end of the stick, but RP-wise, this WILL be a great tourney. In fact work in your idea that the draw was rigged as an RP!)

And with the addition of Green Wombat SIGN-UPS ARE CLOSED!

Ok, was wondering how it was done because it looked funny. Honestly with 15 new teams and 15 veterans, it's going to be hard to have a lot of meaningful matchups no matter what.

Ok, was wondering how it was done because it looked funny. Honestly with 15 new teams and 15 veterans, it's going to be hard to have a lot of meaningful matchups no matter what.

Although we do weight RP more heavily here, so it's easier to build those good rivalries, I think.

Man, I'm gonna have bears in my country again ^_^

Isn't that what Football (american) is all about, RIVALRIES?
Like:

Army-Navy (THE most important Rivalry in the US. Watch one Army-Navy game and tell me that at the end you don't feel patriotic)
Ohio St-Michigan
Alabama-Auburn
Redskins-Cowboys
and so on

That's the reason why I seeded how I seeded. (not to mention I wanted to avoid taeshan for a long as possible, since we've met EVERY dang time.)

A Wiki page for WBIV will be up sometime tommorrow night. (On the one I use, and If someone wants to creat one for/copy it to NSwiki.. go ahead)

Isn't that what Football (american) is all about, RIVALRIES?

But of course! It forms the entire basis for my irrational hatred for the city of Cleveland.

But of course! It forms the entire basis for my irrational hatred for the city of Cleveland.

My hate of Cleveland is rational and based on Drew Carey.

What about watching the other commander and chief trophy games bewtween them and the Air Force Q. My team.