NationStates Jolt Archive

While the World Cup waits to find out whom will be hosting its' tourney, the WBC begins to prepare for the 7th Classic.
Qazox finally broke on through and got its first title, and looks to become the 3rd team to repeat as champions. But will they? or will Milchama regain its title or will Az-cz take home its 4th? Or can ESF or taeshan finally break through and win their first title? Or will someone else emerge from the pack and claim the title? Only one way to find out...and that's to sign up.


SIGNUP LIST: 8/??
Qazox
Liventia
The Bluth Corporation
Mallatarsland
The Indonesian States
Zwangzug
Mantwenic
taeshan



HOST BIDS: 2/??
(Liventia- maybe)
The Indonesian States

Liventia will be back. Will be happy to host again (but only if we don't have other competent hosting bids).

The Bluth Corporation would like to enter a team.

We promise no chicken dancing or wet t-shirts.

Mallatarsland signs up

i'm back, and would like to host!

The Zebras return!

Rankings may or may not come sometime over the weekend, depending on whether or not I can be bothered to deal with the Cup/Bowl/Plate thing. Nothing against the idea, but it just adds another wrinkle on my end. :p

Mantwenic would like to host this years games

the Purple Knights will be back to defend there series sweep in the Championship

Sorry Mantwenic, but i'd rather have someone with an established presence on NS to host, and according to the list, you've only had ONE post. I'm sorry.

Capital T

Corivia would like to enter a team

We will sponsor a team

You called?

SIGNUP LIST: 15/??
Qazox
Liventia
The Bluth Corporation
Mallatarsland
The Indonesian States
Zwangzug
Mantwenic
Taeshan
Corivia
Ben snavely
Yafor 2 (aka The Gupta Dynasty)
Lovisa
kenavt
Ma Raque
Milchama


HOST BIDS: 2/??
(Liventia- maybe)
The Indonesian States

lovisa in

We'd love to introduce ourselves to this (hopefully) wonderful World Baseball Classic!

Ma Raque would love to join, but be kind as this is the first time :D

Milchama is back.

Again.

I'm up for more punishment.

And I can host.

Signing up just to get my name in the mix. I may not be able to RP much, if any, though, depending on when the actual game days are.

Ravea will enter a team, despite having one of the worst sports reputations on the planet.

Miroxia has just built a new stadium, Mirox Motors Baseball Stadium, that we would love to use to host the World Classic. It has never been played on before.

This is the stadium: http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/49d7e2ca-8dcd-4de9-96b3-f6a0300aaf51.jpg

The Miroxia Mountain Goats are looking to join for the first time ever and to win the title.

The Cinderella's are back. Xaristan Raiders are in.

SIGNUP LIST: 20/??
Qazox
Liventia
The Bluth Corporation
Mallatarsland
The Indonesian States
Zwangzug
Mantwenic
Taeshan
Corivia
Ben snavely
Yafor 2 (aka The Gupta Dynasty)
Lovisa
kenavt
Ma Raque
Milchama
Green wombat
Newmanistan
Ravea
Miroxia
Xaristan

HOST BIDS: 4/4
Liventia- maybe
The Indonesian States
Green wombat
Miroxia

With the sign-up of Xaristan, we have 20, which is a good number to have, if no more sign up.

So for now, I'm closing off hosting bids and VOTE HERE for your choice of host:

Liventia: Hosted WBC 6.
The Indonesian States: 1st time attempting to host.
Green wombat: 1st time attempting to host.
Miroxia: 1st time attempting to host.

Host bids please decribe your bid and post them by Friday night (EST). and the Vote will begin then as well. ANY Host Votes before then will be null and void. The Vote will end next Wednesday, with hopefully the tourney starting by June 8th or so.

Thanks.

what do ya mean my bid. info on the stadium or money to hold the series?

Confirming that despite Ad’ihan winning the World Cup hosting bid, Liventia will proceed with its WBC7 hosting bid after analyses of the other hosting choices.

The bid will use the same scorinator as in WBC6 (an upgraded version of Az-cz's WBC2 scorinator), toned down slightly to avoid the large blowouts we had last time.

With twenty teams, four groups of five will be used (single round robin). The top two teams proceed to the quarter-finals, which will be a best-of-three series. The semi-finals will be a best-of-five and the final a best-of-seven series.

Timing of scorination for WBC7 will be based around the timing of scorination for WC41.

RP-wise, for the first time in Liventia in international play, the DH rule will not be used in games not involving Liventia — but will remain in use for Liventia's group. Should Liventia progress to the playoffs, the DH rule will only be in use for matches in which Liventia is designated the home team.

Is the WBC scorinator somewhere where I could download it, or an explanation of how it works somewhere? I'm curious more then anything else.

Liventia, I want to vote for you, but I don't really like the DH being only used in one group, and then only being used in games where you are the home team. I'd like to see consistency. Either we have it, or we don't.

Miroxia, I wouldn't have publicly said you don't know what is meant by a bid. ;)

STADIUMS


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh188/Indonesian_States/stadium1.jpg
Stadion National, Jakarta, Indonesian States
CAP: 68,000

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh188/Indonesian_States/stadium2.jpg
Stadion Srivijaya, Palembang, Indonesian States
CAP: 59,000

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh188/Indonesian_States/stadium3.jpg
Stadion Matahari, Makassar, Indonesian States
CAP: 71,000

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh188/Indonesian_States/stadium4.jpg
Stadion Brunei, Bandar Seri Bergawan, Indonesian States
CAP: 45,000

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh188/Indonesian_States/stadium5.jpg
Stadion Merdeka Gajah Mada, Surabaya, Indonesian States
CAP: 50,000

(All Capacities is after renovation and upgrades)


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DH rules not be used. Instead, the pitchers will replace them.

I do not know much on the scorinator, so I would like to know where I could read on that, so I can be a good host.

There will be four groups of five, and they will each play two games in their group. The teams in the group will be placed based on their ranking from former World Baseball Classics, and if the amount of times they have entered the competition. This way the groups will be evened. However, if a majority of the people wish to have random draws, their wish will be made.

The top two of the four groups will advance to the knockout stage. They will then play the Stage 2 Knockout. The winners of this will then be advanced to the quarter finals, the winners of this stage will go on to the semi finals, and then to the finals. Each of the games in the knockout stage will be best-out-of-three.

Timing of scorination may vary, because I live in +4 GMT, unlike most people here.

Is the WBC scorinator somewhere where I could download it, or an explanation of how it works somewhere? I'm curious more then anything else.

Liventia, I want to vote for you, but I don't really like the DH being only used in one group, and then only being used in games where you are the home team. I'd like to see consistency. Either we have it, or we don't.

Miroxia, I wouldn't have publicly said you don't know what is meant by a bid. ;)

I got the WBC2 scorinator from Az during WBC2 itself when he asked me to scorinate a few of his games. I've modified it since then but I can forward you the WBC2 scorinator. I'm sure other WBCs have used different ones, there isn't a fixed one. In short, the WBC6 (and prospective WBC7) scorinator is an Excel spreadsheet, with inputs for rank based on points (RP bonus included in rank) and other factors [in comparison, the WBC2 scorinator used sequential ranks, iirc].

As for the DH — I'm not a fan of pitchers batting (then again, my team is in the American League, so no surprise there). But it appears, from both last time out and from previous WBCs, that pitchers batting would be welcome by most. I'll open it to input from others and make a final decision on the DH based on comments received.

I think I get it now ;)


Okay, all I need is a scorination program. If anyone can tell me where to get one, that'd be great.

There will be 5 groups of 4. Each team will play each team twice, so six game series. The top 2 of each will move on to the next round. The two top teams overall will play each other and the winner shall go on to the finals. The other 8 teams will be put in a bracket and fill face other teams on rank: 1 vs. 4, 2 vs. 5, 3 vs. 7, 6 vs. 8. The winners will go on to the next round. 1/4 vs. 3/7, and 6/8 vs. 2/5. The winners of those will go onto the semi-finals. Then they will face the winner of the top 2 teams. The finals will be a best of 5 series, the rest best of 1.

There will be a DH rule.

I puit forth a new idea home games for everyone. Group rounds should be a home away thing instead of the always playing in set host country. Since im not exactly going to host a WBC unless with partners (remember the option i brought up in the WCDT, about "hosting" it)well anyway this would help teams fans get to the games and make it more "fair"

I'm trying to compile the ranks for the upcoming tournament: to do so, I will need the ranks from WBC6. The numbers below were obtained by treating all phases equally: a win was a win, whether in the Cup, Plate, Bowl, or whatever.

Is everyone okay with using these for WBC6? Have any better ideas? I'll use a weighted average of 4, 5, and 6 for the overall rankings.

Results for reference: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13605770&postcount=108

Qazox .92
Zwangzug .76
Liventia .69
Taeshan .69
Milchama .61
Xaristan .53
Corneliu .46
Yafor 2 .38
Mallatarsland .30
The Indonesian States .23
Az-cz .23
Prux .23
Holy Marsh .15
Quakmybush .15
North Alskboz .15
Cipristan .15
Lovisa 0
Hjela-Artouusa 0
Detroit-Madison States 0
HaMedinat Yisrael 0

I think I get it now ;)


Okay, all I need is a scorination program. If anyone can tell me where to get one, that'd be great.

There will be 5 groups of 4. Each team will play each team twice, so six game series. The top 2 of each will move on to the next round. The two top teams overall will play each other and the winner shall go on to the finals. The other 8 teams will be put in a bracket and fill face other teams on rank: 1 vs. 4, 2 vs. 5, 3 vs. 7, 6 vs. 8. The winners will go on to the next round. 1/4 vs. 3/7, and 6/8 vs. 2/5. The winners of those will go onto the semi-finals. Then they will face the winner of the top 2 teams. The finals will be a best of 5 series, the rest best of 1.

There will be a DH rule.

Well, your sig does say "2+2=5", but 5 groups of 4 + top two gets 10 teams, not 8. ;)

i know, but those are the 8 after the top 2. the top 2 play, then the remianing 8 are ranked.

. I've modified it since then but I can forward you the WBC2 scorinator. I'm sure other WBCs have used different ones, there isn't a fixed one.


That would be great, forward to newmanistan@yahoo.com

Yes, I made a separate address for nationstates purposes. ;)

i know, but those are the 8 after the top 2. the top 2 play, then the remianing 8 are ranked.

So you'd be giving the top two a bye to the semi-finals? Doesn't seem very fair. A one-round bye seems okay enough, but if it's multiple rounds I don't think I could support that.

That would be great, forward to newmanistan@yahoo.com

Yes, I made a separate address for nationstates purposes. ;)

I'd like it too, please

TAESHAN: In real life, it would be way too tiring for the players, moving back-and-forth around the world. Believe me, I speak from experience ;)

what do ya mean my bid. info on the stadium or money to hold the series?

Stadium Info, type of scorinator (ie How you will produce the results), a Probable Schedule, things like that.

Green wombat will be using the same scorinator Qazox has used successfully in the past (WBC's 1,4 and 5, which is known for its close games and extra inning ones).

Depending on the final number of signups, groups will be as even as possible.

ie:
20 teams: 4 groups of 5.
21 teams: 3 groups of 7.
22 teams: 2 groups of 5, 2 groups of 6
24 teams: 4 groups of 6
25 teams 5 groups of 5.
etc...

No matter the group situation, the top two teams will advance to the next round. Depending on the number of groups their either will be a secondary group stage, then the semifinals or playoffs. For the playoffs, they will be best 2 of 3 with the semifinals and finals being best 3 of 5 games.

Scorination will be every day starting on June 6th or 7th.

Stadium info will be provided upon winning of the host bid.

Miroxia, this makes no sense: The other 8 teams will be put in a bracket and fill face other teams on rank: 1 vs. 4, 2 vs. 5, 3 vs. 7, 6 vs. 8. The winners will go on to the next round. 1/4 vs. 3/7, and 6/8 vs. 2/5.

Why should the top seed have to play the 4 seed, and the 6 and 8 seeds play each other?

As for the DH, I don't really care if we have it or not. I just think it needs to be something done across the board one way or the other, not just in select groups.

I know its not my place and there are 19 others but.... could we start this on the 12th and not the 7th or the 8th?

A'int too late for me to join up right?

And THERE WILL BE NO ROBOTS, I promise!

I'm trying to compile the ranks for the upcoming tournament: to do so, I will need the ranks from WBC6. The numbers below were obtained by treating all phases equally: a win was a win, whether in the Cup, Plate, Bowl, or whatever.

Is everyone okay with using these for WBC6? Have any better ideas? I'll use a weighted average of 4, 5, and 6 for the overall rankings.

Results for reference: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13605770&postcount=108

Qazox .92
Zwangzug .76
Liventia .69
Taeshan .69
Milchama .61
Xaristan .53
Corneliu .46
Yafor 2 .38
Mallatarsland .30
The Indonesian States .23
Az-cz .23
Prux .23
Holy Marsh .15
Quakmybush .15
North Alskboz .15
Cipristan .15
Lovisa 0
Hjela-Artouusa 0
Detroit-Madison States 0
HaMedinat Yisrael 0

Fine by me.

Zwang, whatever you've used in the past is fine by me.

Miroxia, this makes no sense: The other 8 teams will be put in a bracket and fill face other teams on rank: 1 vs. 4, 2 vs. 5, 3 vs. 7, 6 vs. 8. The winners will go on to the next round. 1/4 vs. 3/7, and 6/8 vs. 2/5.

Why should the top seed have to play the 4 seed, and the 6 and 8 seeds play each other?

As for the DH, I don't really care if we have it or not. I just think it needs to be something done across the board one way or the other, not just in select groups.

I know its not my place and there are 19 others but.... could we start this on the 12th and not the 7th or the 8th?


I like being the oddball out i like to be different.

Hey, can I join?

(Whoever winds up hosting does not need to use this much precision with the figures. I just like copy and paste.)

1. Taeshan 4.7275641
2. Milchama 4.7115385
3. Zwangzug 4.4935897
4. Qazox 4.4423077
5. Corneliu 3.9711538
6. Liventia 3.8108974
7. Yafor 2 2.2884615
8. Mallatarsland 2.2099359
9. Xaristan 2.1538462
10. Az-cz 2.0272436
11. Prux 1.6105769
12. Quakmybush 1.2612179
13. The Indonesian States 0.9230769
14. McPsychoville 0.8333333
15. Cripistan 0.7820513
16. Holy Marsh 0.6153846
North Alskboz 0.6153846
18. Vephrall 0.5625000
19. Lovisa 0.5208333
20. Cookesland 0.3750000
Vanek Drury Brieres 0.3750000
22. Kura-Pelland 0.3333333
23. St Samuel 0.2500000
Oliverry 0.2500000
25. Uiri 0.1875000
Nefundland 0.1875000
27. Tazford 0.1666667
Green Wombat 0.1666667
Dragonicale 0.1666667
30. New New Nebraska 0.0625000

It is that time of the week folks, the HOST BIDS are closed and you have 5 days to vote on them. Here is the linked bids for those who want to read up on them and please VOTE IN EITHER THIS THREAD OR TG me (Qazox) by Wednesday June 4th at 12:01 AM EDT. Thanks.


HOST BIDS:
Liventia's Bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13724726&postcount=26)

The Indonesian States' Bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13724784&postcount=28)

Miroxia's Bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13725772&postcount=30)

Green wombat's Bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13726639&postcount=39)


CURRENT SIGNUPS: 22/??
Qazox
Liventia
The Bluth Corporation
Mallatarsland
The Indonesian States
Zwangzug
Mantwenic
Taeshan
Corivia
Ben snavely
Yafor 2 (aka The Gupta Dynasty)
Lovisa
kenavt
Ma Raque
Milchama
Green wombat
Newmanistan
Ravea
Miroxia
Xaristan
Prux
Urcea

were #1 were #1 yeahhhhhhhhh

Prux votes for:

GREEN WOMBAT.

Nothing against Liventia, but B2B hostings make me nervous. (i know that Qazox hosted #'s 4 and 5, but didn't he take one of them over for the original host?)

The reason why if any may ask is that the host maybe tempted to influence the results based on complaints from the last tourney, not that Liventia probably would do such a thing, but there is always that chance.

And the other 2 bids are barely bids at all.

Do you guys use real ball-players? Because I could host this here puppy in Baseball Mogul 2009. Fire it up, create the teams, leagues, allocate the players, and sim it.

Do you guys use real ball-players? Because I could host this here puppy in Baseball Mogul 2009. Fire it up, create the teams, leagues, allocate the players, and sim it.

In order to your questions:

1- NO, you create your own roster to RP with.

2- NO using Baseball Mogul 2009, video games or the like, (as i was chastised for even considering it after the 1st one). We use a scorinator (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/scorinate.html) (see link) to create the scores. Granted it maybe more work, but it does ensure a fairer result and we can add RP bonuses (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/rp_bonus.html) into it better than the other possiblities.

The Indonesian States votes for: THE INDONESIAN STATES

(duh)

Ma Raque votes for GREEN WOMBAT.

The Indonesian States and Miroxia, do either of you have scorinators yet?

no. i've asked for it, though... if anyone knows where you get it, tell me

no, i don't either.

Green Wombat, will be using the DH?

i you guessed it our voting for Liventia even though you guessed it we have a bad history. and you guesse3d it out of the4(or 5 maybe)you guessed it i was in the final four in the last 3 ,wait you guessed it i finally made it to the final in you guessed it Liventia go Liventia

Green Wombat, will be using the DH?

Too be honest I forgot about that. I was planning on DH just for the knockout rounds, while for the prelims, it was up to the "home team".

Just to confirm — DH will be used at all matches in a Liventia-hosted cup. With 22 teams right now, I'll close signups at 24 (4 groups x 6).

I'm voting for Green Wombat. Nice to get new people involved and I'm not a fan of the DH at all.

Indonesian States

Quick question: I'm in the process of working on my roster, and I'm wondering if when the games begin, that the spirit of the game is that they are played on consecutive days, or if there is time between them. And if so, how much time? I figure this doesn't matter on who the host is.

This is just so I know what kind of pitching rotation to set up. Thanks.

P.S. Qazox, I TG'd my vote to you if you hadn't noticed already.

Is there still an open spot? If so, sign me up!

Quick question: I'm in the process of working on my roster, and I'm wondering if when the games begin, that the spirit of the game is that they are played on consecutive days, or if there is time between them. And if so, how much time? I figure this doesn't matter on who the host is.

This is just so I know what kind of pitching rotation to set up. Thanks.

P.S. Qazox, I TG'd my vote to you if you hadn't noticed already.

Just use a 4 or 5 man rotation. Since Most of the time, the games will be every day, at least I hope they will be. At least that's what we've done for the first six WBC's.

Here is the linked bids for those who want to read up on them and please VOTE IN EITHER THIS THREAD OR TG me (Qazox) by Wednesday June 4th at 12:01 AM EDT. Thanks.


HOST BIDS:
Liventia's Bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13724726&postcount=26)

The Indonesian States' Bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13724784&postcount=28)

Miroxia's Bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13725772&postcount=30)

Green wombat's Bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13726639&postcount=39)


CURRENT SIGNUPS (updated 6/1/08): 23/??
Qazox
Liventia
The Bluth Corporation
Mallatarsland
The Indonesian States
Zwangzug
Mantwenic
Taeshan
Corivia
Ben snavely
Yafor 2 (aka The Gupta Dynasty)
Lovisa
Kenavt
Ma Raque
Milchama
Green wombat
Newmanistan
Ravea
Miroxia
Xaristan
Prux
Urcea
Tocrowkia

I'm guessing that every host is waiting for one more to have a even number (ie: 4 groups of 6 or 6 groups of 4). So hopefully we'll get one more before Wednesday and the end of the host bid vote.

The Indonesian States and Miroxia, do either of you have scorinators yet?

still waiting for one...

still waiting for one...

TIS, look here: http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/scorinate.html

You maybe able to tweak one for baseball, or come up with your own.

And there's just about 24 1/2 hrs. left to vote.

Chalk up a vote for TIS.

Also, quick question. In Tocrowkia, professional baseball teams are co-ed. Meaning both men and women play on the same major league level. Therefore, the Tocrowkian national team will contain players of both genders. Unless, of course there is some issue with this...?

Chalk up a vote for TIS.

Also, quick question. In Tocrowkia, professional baseball teams are co-ed. Meaning both men and women play on the same major league level. Therefore, the Tocrowkian national team will contain players of both genders. Unless, of course there is some issue with this...?

W00t!!!

and no, there is not a problem. some of my players ar women as well.

jeese the 2 star players on my team(well there all stars theses two are part of the top tier players)Zi Zo and Zoey Menigen are women

I know it's a couple of minute before the deadline, but with little votes coming in.... the results are:

FINAL VOTE TALLIES (with links, as to ensure fairness and including OWN VOTES, as its assumed you would vote for your own bid, right?)

Liventia: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13733212&postcount=58 2 votes

The Indonesian States: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13734949&postcount=62; http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13739893&postcount=69 3 votes

Miroxia: 1 vote (own)

Green wombat: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13732310&postcount=49; http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13732819&postcount=53; http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13734544&postcount=61; http://www.nationstates.net/35994/page=telegrams 5 votes.

The host of the 7th WBC is: GREEN WOMBAT (5 to 3 to 2 to 1)

Congrats to GW and good luck all. (BTW i did not vote, but I would have voted for GW)

Wow... Thanks all who voted for me and I hope that I can live up to your expectations and most of all, i hope you all have fun, as that's what it is all about anyway right?

I'm going to put up the RP/scores, etc thread in a bit, but I'm first checking for CTE's. IF there are any, then they'll be cut. IF there aren't any, then I'll TG some past participants to see if they'll be the 24th team.

The signups will stay open until there is a 24th team or until the host declares it closed. (hint..hint..hint.. if anyone wants to throw in a puppet, do so...)

The 24th sign up will come. We don't need to rush into it with 23 just for the sake of starting it.

24 is much greater and much preferred then 23.

The 24th sign up will come. We don't need to rush into it with 23 just for the sake of starting it.

24 is much greater and much preferred then 23.

True, but the longer we wait, the more it will clash with the WORLD CUP, which it is going to anyway, but the sooner we start, perhaps the greater chance of not being overwhelmed (read: ignored) by the WC itself.

Secristan signs up.

Secristan signs up.

With Secristan's post:

SIGNUPS ARE CLOSED.

CLOSED SIGNUP LIST
Qazox
Liventia
The Bluth Corporation
Mallatarsland
The Indonesian States
Zwangzug
Mantwenic
Taeshan
Corivia
Ben snavely
Yafor 2 (aka The Gupta Dynasty)
Lovisa
Kenavt
Ma Raque
Milchama
Green wombat
Newmanistan
Ravea
Miroxia
Xaristan
Prux
Urcea
Tocrowkia
Secristan

Milchama is back.

Again.


Thats us fecked then. ;)