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World Cup 41
Coupe du Monde 41|世界足球高颇41|세계축구고파41|Copa Mundial 41

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Presented by Ad'ihan and Daehanjeiguk


Why?

Just because we feel like there wasn't enough competition around; and StarKry started a really good thing.

But seriously, we feel that with the limited "interest" in hosting the World Cup, we could liven up the activity by taking a stab. Two hosts with the word "Han" in their nation's official title can't be bad. No weird phrases with numbers... sorry.

Who? And Where?

Ad'ihan has had previous experience hosting a World Cup (WC22 as Liverpool England/WC37 as Ad'ihan). Ad'ihan is a relatively new (rather old if you're counting the years) confederation of islands that declared independence from Liverpool England in 2147 (according to the Ad'ihani calendar). The confederation of two large islands (Grand and Barrier) are situated in the Heartland Region.

Daehanjeiguk has had previous experience hosting tournaments (CoH31), and will take upon the gauntlet of a genuine first-time hosting experience for the World Cup. The Great Han Empire - more comfortably known as the Han Empire - is simply a large Imperial domain that have existed for the past 800 years (officially since 1390CE) and have only recently begun to attempt affording an increasingly larger role in international politics.

Both countries entered the World Cup during World Cup 36 as BoF23 entrants (Ad'ihan fell out in Round 2; Daehanjeiguk won the tournament). Ad'ihan has been a regular visitor to the World Cup since WC37 (as hosts, then qualified amid startling circumstances, beating out the Archregimancy in WC38, then Sel Appa in WC39, no circumstance in WC40). Daehanjeiguk has qualified for every tournament since WC39 (almost qualifying for WC38, but that doesn't really count for anything anyway).

How?

So you've been waiting for this part...

Scorination: NSFS 2.07 will be used as the primary scorinator.

RP-bonus: We will be using cumulative RP-bonus, with the calculation sheets used for WC37. The RP bonus will be collected separately for the World Cup Qualification Stage and the World Cup Finals; at the close of Qualification, RP calculations will be reset to zero, giving every participant an equal opportunity to contribute RP posts without bias from the qualification stage RPs. Newer RPs are weighed more strongly, and the quality of the posts will be considered heavily, depending upon multiple considerations, including consistency of multiple RPs over the same MD (where necessary), quality, references to other RPs, etc.

Modified with text from Ad'ihan


Style: Hate to cramp your style, but heeding the opinions of those concerned about statistical bias while conserving elements of varying playing styles, the hosts have opted to use a simple -1/0/+1 playing style modifier.

Qualification: As simply as possible; any complication in the Qualification format at this time would be pointless and perhaps aggravate some people. The hosts would prefer qualification structures that allowed 10 groups (top 3 qualify automatically), 12 groups (top 2 qualify automatically, third-ranked play in a play-off to complete the qualifying 30), or 15 groups (top 2 qualify automatically). The final format is yet to be decided, and is subject to change to accommodate the number of participants.

Policy on Non-RPers/CtE nations: Non-RPers are not to be penalized (except by the business-as-usual RP points that reward RPers). Nations that cease to exist during the qualifiers/competition will be penalized with -80 points at the end of the qualifiers/group stage and at any other checkpoint deemed appropriate (none at the moment). If any nation participating in the Qualifiers/Cup ceases to exist but resurrects its country before the end of the Qualifers/Group Stage/any other checkpoint deemed appropriate, no penalty will be applied.

Tie Breaking Criteria:

(1) Points! (of course)
(2) H2H results
(3) Goal Difference
(4) Goals For
(5) Games won
(5) If all else fail, random lots.

Ranks: Pre-Qualifying Ranks will be used for the Qualifiers, while Post-Qualifying Ranks will be used for the World Cup Finals.
When drawing for the Group draws in the World Cup Finals, the hosts will be drawn as according to their rank, so long as they are not drawn into the same group.

Courtesy of Zwangzug



FYI, if you have problems with the format of this tournament, please use this thread to iron them out. If you have problems with opinions, please find another thread (preferably in NS General), because this is not a debate forum for opinions.


For ease of communication, the Cafundeu/Septentrionie Bid is located here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=556725).
New World Cup Discussion Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536285)

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Notes about the Han Empire
Adapted from the Cup of Harmony 31 Bid Thread, still holds true largely

The Han Empire goes by many names. "Daehanjeiguk" is the official and formal name of the Empire. "Hanguk" is the unofficial short name of the Empire. "Jungguk" is an unofficial archaic term that still in use in anywhere west of Joseon and Manju. "Gukcheon" is actually not a name, but it's sometimes said in reference to the land. The point being is that while mostly homogenous, the Han are culturally diverse and many of the people you will meet here are friendly. Some foreigners in the past have taken this attitude falsely as an indication to the submissive culture present, but those seeking to take advantage of the Han will find that the society works well together and people will hunt you if they perceive that you cheated them. For this reason, do not cheat anyone or Imperial authorities will have a hard time trying to guarantee your safety.

There are a number of characteristics that make the Han unique. First of all, there is the National Conscription Law, which basically states that every citizen must be trained in the arts of war. While not every citizen becomes a soldier, every citizen is trained in martial arts of many types, depending on the capability of each person. The majority of the men are trained in physical combat, so attempting to make a fool out of anyone might result in about 20 people kicking and beating you. The majority of the women are trained in special spiritual aspects of combat, so even the women have some modes of self-defense that the foreigner should be wary of when attempting to do harm to them.

But aside from the negative, the Han are friendly, as long as you are friendly. And you will find many of the country-folk - sometimes called "gukmin" - are willing to invite you to their homes for a special meal. Another characteristic that all visitors should be keen about is the fact that public facilities are usually non-existent. This is not because the Empire is too poor to support it, but mostly because everyone shares everything anyway, especially in the country, so there is no reason for the state to provide bathrooms at every opportunity to all citizens, because everyone knows that you can find someone to share a room (for a price of course). This communal style of living has been mistaken for a rudimentary form of communism in some Western cults, but it is not ideologically the same. Of the services you should expect from the state include police protection, transportation in the cities (and we mean the really big ones), and sometimes housing. For a full list of amenities provided publicly, please consult the Foreign Ministry or your nearest consulate if your country has outstanding diplomatic relations with the Han Empire.

Another peculiar habit of the Han involves the nature of citizenship. In fact, anyone can become a citizen, but the process of becoming a citizen is very hard. The first step to being a citizen is to pass a test, which judges a person's intellectual capacity, moral capacity, physical capacity, and ethical capacity. This test is written in standard Han languages, including Spanish if you're from Jonam Islands (RL Philippines), Hanjamun (standard Chinese), and Joseoneo (Korean). The speaking portion of the test is taken in Spanish, Joseoneo, Gwangdongmun (Cantonese), and Bukgukmun (Mandarin). If you fail to pass this test, you cannot receive a certificate of citizenship. The youngest citizen ever was a 5-year-old boy from Manju, so it is possible that a child can be a citizen and have all the privileges of citizenships - such as free thought, free practice of religion, free access to public facilities, and free access to government services. However, there are many people in the Empire who are not official citizens, because they failed this test. If any non-citizen is found in the Empire without the sponsorship of a citizen, they are sent to education centers where they are taught the ways of being a citizen. In your travels, you may encounter people called "babosangmin" - who are not citizens. In any case, they are not citizens and cannot enjoy the services of being a citizen, which may or may not include many things. Please do not harm these non-citizens, as they have no official protection offered by the state, and are left to the protection of responsible citizens. If you are caught injuring a non-citizen, you will be reprimanded for disorderly conduct (and again, any person responsible for the non-citizen's welfare may chase with a mob - perfectly legal).

The fourth characteristic is that every service you get is never free. There is always a cost, but unless Western societies, money is not the only solution. In fact, currency is only a guarantee for an equitable exchange by the state. When in the Han Empire, currency is useful in the cities primarily, but when venturing into the countryside, currency loses value very quickly, and most citizens there prefer labor as their form of payment. While most Han are familiar with this, it is important to note that most hotels are found in cities and are required by Imperial law to accept currency for rooming. If you decide to visit to the countryside and are invited by a "gukmin", should you accept their hospitality, you will likely be paying their hospitality back in the form of labor. Now, you should not refuse a person's hospitality more than three times, but be wary of any person who invites you into their house, because it probably means that they want you to do something for them. If you decide to go into the country, please hire a personal guard who can translate these things for you, and be nice to them because they can guide to safe places or they can make your visit a living hell, and because there is no law governing how people can treat one another, it's perfectly legal. Of course, we remind all visitors that good and honorable acts are paid in kind.

The most important thing to remember during your visit is that disruptive behavior will not be tolerated. Unlike in Western societies, citizens have the right to dispense with troublemakers as they see fit, as long as the police are present to give a full account to the local magistrate. Foreigners are not exempt from this habit, and the State accepts no responsibilities for any injuries incurred during your stay. In fact, if you have to visit the doctor, you will likely pay the doctor in the form of an organ of your choice (choose kidney, because you have two of them!). Of course, we remind all visitors that good and honorable acts are paid in kind. So be mindful of others and have fun while not being a complete idiot or a$$hole.

Emperor Gojong Football Stadium
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City: Hangyeong
Details: Built about 50 years ago, the Gojong Football Stadium is the largest stadium in the Empire. It is also the HQ for the IFA of the Han Empire. The stadium is located near the downtown district in Hangyeong, about 15 km from the airport with access to main thoroughfares and the metropolitan transportation system. The market at the ground level features local cuisine, local crafts, and the only set of public bathrooms in the entire district.
Capacity: 150,000 people
Quality: Very good!

Gwangdong Imperial Sports Complex and Stadium
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City: Gwangju
Details: One of the newest stadium facilities, the Gwangdong Imperial Sports Complex and Stadium is one of the best facilities in the Empire. The stadium accommodates more than just football fans, and the seats are all covered as well. Public transportation is widely accessible. Be mindful of the storms though!
Capacity: 80,000 people
Quality: Excellent!

Sanghae National Football Stadium
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City: Sanghae
Details: Another fine facility, Sanghae National Football Stadium is a very popular destination during the football season, and surprisingly, people are attracted to the nearby ocean. You can easily take a beach stroll, but the view isn't really that great - except at sunrise. Public transportation is also very good, as the sub-floor has direct access to the city's subway infrastructure, along with a full megamall.
Capacity: 80,000 people
Quality: Very good!

Munhwa Football Stadium
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City: Hanseong
Details: The best stadium in Joseon, Munhwa is another popular stadium. Built recently, it has many modern conveniences including a restaurant floor, direct access to public transportation, and souvenir shops that feature local crafts and football garb from all over the Empire. Munhwa is also a cultural center in Joseon, so you can visit the local movie theater as well (screens around the theater have a live feed to any football matches at Munhwa)!
Capacity: 65,000 people
Quality: Very good!

King Kim Iljei Memorial Football Stadium
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City: Malnira
Details: The biggest and best stadium in the Jonam Islands, the stadium takes its name from the Islands' most celebrated king and avid fan of football. Since then, people have taken to the sport in record numbers and many cities on the islands have facilities dedicated to football. Of course, as the Jonam Islands are distinct from the Empire proper, there are many different cultural aspects of the Islands, adding a bit of Western influence and Polynesian influences to the traditional Han culture. The stadium itself boasts a bar level (only citizens and their guests are allowed on this level), and public transportation is of course always present.
Capacity: 55,000 people
Quality: Excellent!

Goguryeo Football Stadium
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City: Pyeongyang
Details: This stadium really doesn't have much to celebrate, other than the fact that the fans here are continually at odds with the fans at Munhwa. So you do come here, expect to have a "Munhwa Bash" somewhere sometime. Of course, the standards amenities of public transportation and a megamall on the ground floor is always a pleasant must.
Capacity: 52,000 people
Quality: Very good!

Sanhaemun Football Stadium
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City: Jinhwangdo
Details: Not too far from the always impressive Gojong Football Stadium, the Stadium is named for the final gate of the Great Northern Wall, a popular tourist attraction itself. The gate is not far from the stadium, and the stadium itself is not far from other tourist attractions in the city. Again, public transportation is very convenient but there isn't too much on the order of malls and shopping opportunities
Capacity: 60,000 people
Quality: Very good!

Cha Beomgeun Memorial Football Stadium
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City: Hangyeong
Details: Built in the wake of the recent retirement of Cha Beomgeun as Head Coach of the Imperial Team, steering the team from a historic win in the Baptism of Fire to the first Qualification and eventual fall-out to Ad'ihan in World Cup 39, the stadium is the newest of large-capacity stadiums, taking the principles of the Emperor Gojong Football Stadium and adding all of the modern conveniences required of a great football stadium in the Han Empire. Complete with a super mall substructure, transportation connections (a subway link will be completed in time for the World Cup time, as well as extensive bus and road networks), and with a lucious aesthetic atmosphere. It's good to be the newest one on the block.
Capacity: 250,000 people
Quality: Perfect - well almost!

Ad’ihani stadium info to appear here later.

I'm going to break the habit of a lifetime, waive any pretence of neutrality, and endorse a bid in advance.

I'll admit to having minor concerns about how Han's exuberant style might translate to World Cup hosting, and LE's just occasionally a teensy bit confrontational. But....

I think your respective IC and OOC styles will balance each other well, you have a good mix of experience and relative newness, and - most importantly to me - you're proactively addressing the style bonus issue.

So, as things stand as of this writing, our honoured Asian bidders get my vote.

I hasten to add that I also think Caf and Oli would do a good job, but the style modifier issue worries me to the extent that I can't endorse their bid when there's a competent alternative.

Interrelated questions for both bids, which I didn't feel like posting twice in separate threads:

What ranks (pre-cup? post-qualifiers? Some combination of the two) will be used for finals scorination?

This one is a little harder to phrase, so let me know if it doesn't make sense:

The hosts, I'm assuming, will be placed into finals groups at random. If they are not ranked in the top pot, will they "displace" a first-seed team? Example: Starblaydia and Krytenia replaced the first seeds in their groups (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13618361&postcount=19), while Kura-Pelland and Vephrall "still [held] bottom-seed placings" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13267235&postcount=443). Would you emulate either of those patterns? If not, how would you be seeded?

Thanks and good luck!

Re-routed from the NWCDT...

I can't say for the both of us, but to give some answers in advance:

(1) I'm personally for using the ranks that are pertinent for the competitions involved.

pre-Qualifier Ranks for the Qualifiers
pre-Cup Ranks for the Cup.


(2) I personally prefer putting the hosts in the relevent pots that reflect their rankings (as long as they stay in the same pots so they won't/can't be drawn into the same groups).


Ad'ihan might have a another opinion, and as we have not consulted with the other on this specific topic (bravo, chessmeister!), the previous comments are opinions and not policy. The final policy will emerge following a dual consultation by the bid partners in private and will be edited back into the main post, for all to see.

Not much "consultation" needed there, though. Post-qualifying ranks will be used for the cup proper, and indeed, we'll be seeded for the finals according to where we could normally be seeded.

Let me also expand more on our RP bonus.
It will be cumulative to the end of the qualifying, and then afresh to the end of the group stage, with older matchdays affecting the final bonus less as time wears on. Each matchday, all RPs by each nation will be considered, but the final score will not take into account the quantity of the RPs. It will depend on multiple considerations, including consistency of multiple RPs over the same MD (where necessary), quality, references to other RPs, etc.

In regards to "quality" of RP, are you of the notion that the more the RP is related to the actual game and/or players, the better? In the Oxen Cup, at least, I've seen some really poor and/or completely non-related RP's. I'm wondering if such things get credit or not.

In regards to "quality" of RP, are you of the notion that the more the RP is related to the actual game and/or players, the better? In the Oxen Cup, at least, I've seen some really poor and/or completely non-related RP's. I'm wondering if such things get credit or not.

I can't speak for the WC, but in my tourney, an RP is an RP is an RP, though staying on topic gets you a bit more of a bonus, my tourney is really for fun and maynot be held to such a higher notion.

I can't speak for the WC, but in my tourney, an RP is an RP is an RP, though staying on topic gets you a bit more of a bonus, my tourney is really for fun and maynot be held to such a higher notion.

No offense was meant to you, mind you. The question still stands though.

In regards to "quality" of RP, are you of the notion that the more the RP is related to the actual game and/or players, the better? In the Oxen Cup, at least, I've seen some really poor and/or completely non-related RP's. I'm wondering if such things get credit or not.

Not every RP will be about the game played. Often it will be along a storyline. Poor RPs will be considered in their own right. RPs not directly related to a particular match will still be scored if part of a wider RP storyline. As long as effort is put in it will be considered (positively or negatively).

As a side note, without meaning to sound harsh, you will have to get used to "really poor and/or completely non-related RP's" in sports RPing, as it's quite common around these parts.

Not every RP will be about the game played. Often it will be along a storyline. Poor RPs will be considered in their own right. RPs not directly related to a particular match will still be scored if part of a wider RP storyline. As long as effort is put in it will be considered (positively or negatively).

As a side note, without meaning to sound harsh, you will have to get used to "really poor and/or completely non-related RP's" in sports RPing, as it's quite common around these parts.

Ok. I was simply wondering. In this realm of RPing I'm the newb. I'll get used to it sooner or later :)

Ok. I was simply wondering. In this realm of RPing I'm the newb. I'll get used to it sooner or later :)


On the other hand, it's worth noting there are some excellent RPers as well!

We tend to get quite broad range of RP skills; some people are excellent, and some people are, well.... not so.

We do generally try to be encouraging to everyone, regardless of skill level, as the more inclusive we are, the more participation we get, and greater participation is usually considered a good thing. We've also had plenty of people who started off fairly poorly, but improved immeasurably over time.

What you'll generally find is that the qualifiers are a mixed bag, but that the quality goes up exponentially once we reach the finals. Regrettably, as a new participant, your chances of reaching the finals are very slim (though it does happen very, very occasionally) - but there's always the Cup of Harmony!

I'll return this thread to its owners now (sorry Han and LE).

RPs are a lot like cheese.

When they age, some get better, some get worse, and some just stink.

Stadia information updated.