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Kura-Pelland–Vephrall HOSTING BID FOR World Cup 38

the mechanics

method of score generation

The hosts would use NSFootySim (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/NSFootySim) to generate scores for this event. Experience with using this scorinator will not be an issue, as the player behind Vephrall is its creator. NSFS has been successfully used in several past World Cups. NSFS's default formula will remain in place for the duration of the tournament.

As is standard with NSFS, the range of style modifiers will be from -5 (most defensive) to +5 (most attacking).

competition format

The hosts' preferred format for qualifying would consist of twelve groups of eight teams each. The top two finishers in each group would qualify directly for the cup proper, with six of the twelve third-place finishers also qualifying through means of a playoff. The playoff matchups will be randomly determined via a draw (i.e. Group 3 v Group 7) to take place at the midpoint of qualifying.

Seeding for the group stage of the tournament will be based on post-qualifying KPB rankings. The tournament proper will have no changes from its usual format.

compensation for effort (i.e. the rp bonus)

The rationale behind the K-P-V RP bonus is one of attempting to minimize the effects of being away for a day or two at a time. On any given matchday, all postings from the previous three matchdays will be considered, and will be weighted in a manner very similar to the KPB rankings (newer RPs count more than older ones). Thus, even if a nation misses a day or two of RPing, it remains easy to ramp back up to maximum bonus.

The overall effect of the RP bonus is meant to be moderate; i.e. it may potentially give a defending Baptism of Fire champion an outside chance of qualification with consistent RPing, but such a nation should certainly not expect to be challenging to win the group.

previous experience

Both bid partners have previously hosted World Cups, albeit not with these nations. Kura-Pelland (as Kaze Progressa) hosted World Cups 12 and 17, while Vephrall (as Bedistan) hosted World Cups 8, 18, and 27.

the fun stuff, or "why pick us?"

ease of travel

Kura-Pelland and Vephrall, located in the southern part of Atlantian Oceania, border each other, making any necessary travel between the two nations a snap.

a different experience

No, we don't have any sort of magical creatures in Vircais (the continent on which you'll find these two nations), but depending on which nation you find yourself in, you might be in for a little bit of a culture shock. While Kura-Pelland will give you all of today's modern conveniences, the Vephrese take things a little slower. Don't expect to be able to use your mobile phones here and make sure you're over your Internet addiction before you get off the plane. Even color television is a relatively new concept here.


So there you have it, the K-P-V WC38 hosting bid. Expect more information on match venues and more coming soon!

So it's the battle of the bids with dashes in their names! :D

A few questions:

- What tiebreakers do you intend to use, in case of a tie in points for a position to advance?

- What benefits does using NSFS and its default formula (used in this current cup) have over the SIS ratio-based formula, in your opinion? As the creator, bias is anticipated :p

- I see you said that seedings for the finals would be done using post-qualifying rankings. By this, would I be right to presume that the base rankings would be the post-qualifying KPBs, and if so, why do you feel this is a better choice than either a carryover of the pre-qualifying KPBs + the qualifying RP bonus (or additionally, the hybrid formula used by myself and Ad'iahn this cup)?

Thank you for your time and consideration

Well, I'll start this off by giving a comparison of the way rankings work in NSFS and SQIS. In the table below, I assign an arbitrary value of 1 as the output for a nation with exactly 1 KPB point; everything else is a ratio compared to that.

KPB rank What it looks like to... NSFS SQIS
0.00 0.00 -∞*
1.00 (about 128th) 1.00 1.00
2.00 (about 107th) 1.41 2.00
4.00 (about 86th) 2.00 3.00
7.00 (about 65th) 2.65 3.81
10.00 (about 48th) 3.16 4.32
15.00 (about 36th) 3.87 4.91
20.00 (about 28th) 4.47 5.32
25.00 (about 23rd) 5.00 5.64
30.00 (about 15th) 5.48 5.91
40.00 (about 7th) 6.32 6.32
50.00 (about 2nd) 7.07 6.64
60.00 (about 1st) 7.75 6.91
69.00 (max possible) 8.31 7.11

* I would imagine that SQIS cannot function properly with an input of 0 ranking points; however, I have not actually used it so I cannot confirm this.

My personal opinion regarding the merits of the NSFS system over the SQIS system: with NSFS, the lower ranks don't get spaced out so much, making it a little easier for the upsets that are crucial for some of these teams to get a foothold to happen. Of course, there is a tradeoff: teams are a bit further apart in the upper echelons, making those same upsets less likely there. However, teams that have such high rankings are also likely to be regular RPers, so throwing RP bonus into the equation can help to counter that.

As for your other questions, Novap, I'll get back to you once I've conferred with KP again. (I knew there was something we forgot to talk about...)

And now, your other two questions:

- What tiebreakers do you intend to use, in case of a tie in points for a position to advance?

Tiebreakers will be in the following order:

Points
Goal difference
Head-to-head results
Total wins
Goals scored

As for why we'll use goal difference before head-to-head, we wish to promote the idea that every game counts.

- I see you said that seedings for the finals would be done using post-qualifying rankings. By this, would I be right to presume that the base rankings would be the post-qualifying KPBs, and if so, why do you feel this is a better choice than either a carryover of the pre-qualifying KPBs + the qualifying RP bonus (or additionally, the hybrid formula used by myself and Ad'iahn this cup)?

Your presumption is correct. As for why it's a better choice, well, I'll quote KP on this one:

for the rankings, yes I believe in using the post-qualifying rankings in the finals, for otherwise it's like, say, deciding the 2006 WC on teams' 2004 status

So there you go. :)

I have ask! Say in Group X, there's team A, B, C and D. They finish A B C D but B is expired in NS. Does B stay to play in the 2nd round or does C get spot?

I know what the other bid will do (if you ask one of the hosts, who will remain nameless) :p

C will go through in the place of B, unless B is revived prior to scorination of the next round.

Recall that, first and foremost, the reason the World Cup even exists at all is to encourage RPing. If a nation ceases to exist, there is a 0% chance of RP by that nation (even if the nation has been active on the forums despite not logging into NS, Jolt enforces this with an automatic forum ban). With any other nation, there is always at least some chance. Therefore, that other nation should be given the opportunity.

All we ask is that you log in on nationstates.net once every 28 days. Or even put it on vacation mode and log in once every 60 days. It's a very small price to pay.

On stadia; 16 stadia will be used, eight in each country. Venues are to be confirmed, but will be 'unique' designs, rather than reimaginations of RL stadia.

This does account for a generational difference between Kura-Pellandi and Vephrese stadia in terms of appearance. You'll see that in time, although that is of course all IC gravy, and I believe the critical fundamental OOC mechanics are now clear.

(This also exists as a tag for me for this thread :))

In the interest of equal information,

Can you give examples of what you'd consider good/bad RPs? And what is your attitude towards dull TV-show and Match-report RPing?

Typical 'media reports' will be treated like, well, any other RPs, although they tend to be less interesting and in-depth (but there are very good examples of each). The 'style' of RP is not important, what matters is whether it is enjoyable and interesting to read. (Which, of course, many generic 'newspaper report' RPs aren't, compared to - say - The Archregimancy's lengthy, well-written tales of a distinctive nation and its attitudes to anything sporting. But nations like Cafundeu, Ariddia and (as pointed out by Az-cz) C&M write some very good RPs within that framework, largely through little additions to it - Cafundeu thrrrrrrowing in prrrrrrrrroduct-placement-obsessed commentarrrrrrry, C&M making and explaining lots of cultural references, etc.)

Bad RPs are basically those that aren't that interesting to read. Many, but by no means all, 'media reports' fit under that category. Me and Veph will agree on a common set of guidelines to be used, but I suspect we will think along similar lines. Not least because Veph - certainly as Bedistan - has historically tended towards writing interesting RPs in the 'media report' style.

Support Offered for Bid

The Disputed Territories of Nire and Nire today offered its support to the States of Kura-Pelland and Vephrall in their unholy quest to host the 38th World Cup. A decision was also made to enter a team in the tournament despite the complete lack of football players and footballs in the Disputed Territories. President Nire, a man renowned for inappropriate sexual behaviour involving sheep, cream puffs and police batons, in his daily address to the worthless and incompetent citizens of these fine territories stated that "We will win this Cup at any cost ... and god have mercy on your souls if we do not!" The recently completed National Sports Stadium, with a capacity of 300,000, is ready to host international matches and the country waits with eager anticipation for the first opponent to grace our shores.

His Lordship, President Nire extends his full co-operation to the leaders of Kura-Pelland and Vephrall in their bid: "I will scratch your back, but I expect you to scratch mine in return." What this involves we can only speculate but this bemused reporter understands that an hour alone with your finest sheep would suffice. Asked for comment, Ima Nutter, a former primary-school teacher who now plies his trade as the nations only share trader, expressed his desire to be left alone "Nire is an incompetent fool! The man cannot tell his ass from his elbow."

I just had to get this one in. This question's for Veph. How will RPs containing 1093 be treated? :p

I just had to get this one in. This question's for Veph. How will RPs containing 1093 be treated? :p

The RP bonus for such a post will be multiplied by 0.1093*ln(1093)*(1.0+3/9)-0.0193 (accurate to three decimal places). :p

For the less mathematically inclined, the above expression evaluates to 1.

Nire and Nire, you can sign up here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=538995.

Vephrall, that was great. :D

1 on a scale of......?

Multiplied by 1, i.e. unchanged from what it would normally be.

Thank you to everyone who voted for this bid. All fifteen of you. Still can't believe it was such a comprehensive victory, I genuinely expected a close contest.

See you in Vircais!

Vephrese stadia

Becugheralang
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Ellime Apenbast
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Ellime e Vephrall
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Ellime Neoss
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Ellime Presseg
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Fonong-Pelle
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Palloner Ellime
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Peppatzerris
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Kura-Pellandi stadia

Roflcopter Dome
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The Octagon
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Brickleyplace
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Barkham Park Stadium
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Lake Branagh Stadium
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Prangren Greens Park
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Shanvley Stadium
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The PurplePlex
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