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Oxen Cup 4 is now open for business.

16 teams are invited to compete in this tourney.

The format will be one of the following:

A- 4 groups of 4, top 2 advance to semifinals

B- A 2-group swiss tourney in which each team will play until all 16 spots are determined.

C- A double elimination type-tourney.

D- You nominate a tourney-type.

(Please note that the Poll will close in 7 days)

The 16 invitees are: (7/16 confirmed w/ 4 backup nominees confirmed)

Quakmybush- CONFIRMED
Novapsolu
The Holy Empire- CONFIRMED
Dance 2 Revolution
Vilita
Northern Bettia- CONFIRMED
The Lowland Clans
Kiryu-shi- CONFIRMED
UCS Jasiyun
Ad'ihan- COMFIRMED
Qazox (Confirmed as Hosts)
Oickoidia
Turori
Bostopia
Sel Appa (Past Champions) CONFIRMED
Az-cz (Defending Champions they can enter if they so wish)

Since Schiavonia is currently ceased, they will be replaced by one of the round of 16 eliminated teams. If any of the invitees decline to reply or compete, additional World Cup Knock-out Stage eliminated teams will be asked to compete in their stead.

Declined Invite:
Bazalonia- DECLINED

Invitee List:
Jeruselem- Confirmed as Backup
Minilla Island- Confirmed as Backup
Lovisa- Confirmed as Backup
Milchama- Confirmed as Backup
Squornshelous- Declined Invite
Oliverry
Tynelia
Wentland
Ariddia
UCS SLANI

If you need a team, Jeruselem will be available.

Minilla Island will be available

Kiryu-shi accepts the invitation, and cares very little about the type of tournament.

The FANB accepts their invitation to the Oxen Cup **rubs hands together evilly**, and they've decided to opt for the swiss-style tourny, simply cos it sounds rather funky.

The FFSA inquires as to why we were not invited and wishes to participate to regain its title.

its a pity that Lovisa cant start, we playing last 2 oxen cups. :(

What is the Oxen Cup?

The FFSA inquires as to why we were not invited and wishes to participate to regain its title.

Sel Appa, as Defending champs, Will be #1 on the invite list.

As for the other question, by VDb, The Oxen Cup is a Non-KPB tourney, that usually involves invited teams. It IS NOT in any way affiliated witht he WC or its offical tourneys, the BoF and the CoH. It's an extra chance to hone your RP, and for something to do while the CoH and or BoF are going on and you are not involved with either.

Sel Appa, as Defending champs, Will be #1 on the invite list.

As for the other question, by VDb, The Oxen Cup is a Non-KPB tourney, that usually involves invited teams. It IS NOT in any way affiliated witht he WC or its offical tourneys, the BoF and the CoH. It's an extra chance to hone your RP, and for something to do while the CoH and or BoF are going on and you are not involved with either.

We're not defending, we're former titlists. Az won the third CUP I think.

We're not defending, we're former titlists. Az won the third CUP I think.

You are Right, either way, If you want it you're in as a past Champ then.

my team will be available if will be a space.

Instead of groups here is what we do:

Each team has 5/6 preliminary matches against other teams

The 1st 2 of those matches are random. The rest are dependent on record and goal difference. Then the either the best 2/4/8/whatever teams that have the best records advance.

So here is how it would work using me as a hypothetical example:

MD 1: vs. Lovisa L 1-0
MD 2: vs. Collonie W 2-0
So now I am 1-1 so the host would look at all other 1-1 teams and place me against the team that has the GD opposite of mine rankings wise. So if I was ranked number 2 in GD in a 4 person bracket I would face the 3rd ranked team in GD.
MD 3: vs. Jersuselem W 2-1
The same things goes for MD 4 only I'm in the 2-1 bracket now.
MD 4: vs. Sel Appa W 4-0
The same thing again.
MD 5: vs. Northern Bettia L 5-4
So I go 3-2. Assuming 8 teams advance first comes record so all the 5-0s/4-1s advance. Then for ranks and if any of the 3-2s advance would again be determined by Goal difference

After this stage it's a regular knockout tournament, sudden death and all that. Actually I'm not quite sure how ties would fit into all of this. If somebody has a suggestion they could tell me.

This sounds more complicated then it really is, the system is really just like a league format only instead of 38 or whatever MDs the whole league happens in 5 getting rid of randomness of who plays who when but making it more complex to come up with matchups.

If anybody is confused, which wouldn't shock me, just ask and I will try to clarify the best I can.

Instead of groups here is what we do:

Each team has 5/6 preliminary matches against other teams

The 1st 2 of those matches are random. The rest are dependent on record and goal difference. Then the either the best 2/4/8/whatever teams that have the best records advance.

So here is how it would work using me as a hypothetical example:

MD 1: vs. Lovisa L 1-0
MD 2: vs. Collonie W 2-0
So now I am 1-1 so the host would look at all other 1-1 teams and place me against the team that has the GD opposite of mine rankings wise. So if I was ranked number 2 in GD in a 4 person bracket I would face the 3rd ranked team in GD.
MD 3: vs. Jersuselem W 2-1
The same things goes for MD 4 only I'm in the 2-1 bracket now.
MD 4: vs. Sel Appa W 4-0
The same thing again.
MD 5: vs. Northern Bettia L 5-4
So I go 3-2. Assuming 8 teams advance first comes record so all the 5-0s/4-1s advance. Then for ranks and if any of the 3-2s advance would again be determined by Goal difference

After this stage it's a regular knockout tournament, sudden death and all that. Actually I'm not quite sure how ties would fit into all of this. If somebody has a suggestion they could tell me.

This sounds more complicated then it really is, the system is really just like a league format only instead of 38 or whatever MDs the whole league happens in 5 getting rid of randomness of who plays who when but making it more complex to come up with matchups.

If anybody is confused, which wouldn't shock me, just ask and I will try to clarify the best I can.

Sounds like a True-Swiss tourney to me. Which is that every team plays the same # of games until all games are complete, instead of a Swiss-elimination in which every one goes until there's one unbeaten team left.

Sounds like a True-Swiss tourney to me. Which is that every team plays the same # of games until all games are complete(OOC: Isn't what you're describing just a round-robin?)

(OOC: Isn't what you're describing just a round-robin?)

A true-swiss tourney is a Round Robin, but instead of a fixed schedule, its determined by the teams' record. Just slightly different.

A true-swiss tourney is a Round Robin, but instead of a fixed schedule, its determined by the teams' record. Just slightly different.

Well what I am describing is not a round robin because not everybody plays everybody else and there are no groups. You play 5/6 different teams and then comes the playoff rounds.

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Only 30 minute left until signups/confrimations close..!

CURRENT PARTICIPANTS:
Quakmybush- CONFIRMED
The Holy Empire- CONFIRMED
Northern Bettia- CONFIRMED
Kiryu-shi- CONFIRMED
Ad'ihan- COMFIRMED
Qazox (Confirmed as Hosts)
Sel Appa (Past Champions) CONFIRMED
Jeruselem- Confirmed as Backup
Minilla Island- Confirmed as Backup
Lovisa- Confirmed as Backup
Milchama- Confirmed as Backup


That makes 11 teams. So i either need 1 more confirmation or I might withdraw Qazox to leave an even number of teams.

Based on the votes, subtracting my vote, the 4 groups of 4 wins. But since there will be 10, 11 or 12 teams, this isn't practical. So here is the breakdown

10 teams:
2 groups of 5, single round-robin, top 2 in each group advance to semis.

11 teams:
2 groups of 4, 1 group of 3. Double round-robin for the group of 3, single for the 2 groups of 4. Top team in each advances to semis, while 2nd place in A & B playoff for final spot.

12 teams:
3 groups of 4,single round-robin, top team in each group advances to double round robin finals.

OK ALL

SIGNUPS AND ALL THAT ARE CLOSED

For More intersesting groups I've decided to go with the following format:

2 groups of 4, 1 group of 3. Double round-robin for the group of 3, single for the 2 groups of 4. Top team in each advances to semis, while 2nd place in A & B playoff for final spot. There will be Draws in the first round of play.

The semis will be a 4-team round robin as well, but under Must-win (so ET and PK) rules.

THE GROUPS ARE:

GROUP A:
Minilla Island
The Holy Empire
Kiryu-shi
Milchama

GROUP B:
Ad'ihan
Quakmybush
Jeruselem
Sel Appa

GROUP C:
Northern Bettia
Qazox
Lovisa

GROUP SCHEDULES:
GROUP A:
MD1: Milchama vs. Kiryu-shi; The Holy Empire vs. Minilla Island
MD2: BYES
MD3: Kiryu-shi vs. Minilla Island; Milchama vs. The Holy Empire
MD4: Minilla Island vs. Milchama; The Holy Empire vs. Kiryu-shi


GROUP B:
MD1: Jeruselem vs. Quakmybush; Ad'ihan vs. Sel Appa
MD2: Sel Appa vs. Jeruselem; Ad'ihan vs. Quakmybush
MD3: BYES
MD4: Quakmybush vs. Sel Appa; Jeruselem vs. Ad'ihan


GROUP C:
MD1: Lovisa vs. Qazox; N. Bettia- Bye
MD2: N. Bettia vs. Lovisa; Qazox- Bye
MD3: Qazox vs. N. Bettia; Lovisa- Bye
MD4: Lovisa vs. N. Bettia; Qazox- Bye
MD5: Qazox vs. Lovisa; N. Bettia- Bye
MD6: N. Bettia vs. Qazox; Lovisa- Bye

Also on MD6: GROUP A 2nd vs. GROUP B 2nd

MD7: BYE

FINAL GROUP SCHEDULE
MD8: A1 vs. C1; B1 vs. WC
MD9: WC vs. A1; B1 vs. C1
MD10: C1 vs. WC; A1 vs. B1