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Ad'ihan - Novapsolu Bid for World Cup 37


Bid Details

Format: If selected, our bid will use the standard qualifying format, with two-leg group play determining the bulk of the qualifiers. At the end of group play, at least the top 3 teams in each group will, if not given a direct spot, have a chance to at least play-off for a spot in the finals. Groups will be made up of 8 teams apiece, provided it can be done feasibly with the number of entrants. If groups of 8 are not possible/feasible, groups of 6, 7, 9, or (in an exceptional circumstance) 10 will be used, depending on which one works the best, in our opinion.

The Finals will also be per standard, with 32 teams split into 8 groups, split evenly among the host nations. All matches (save the final, possibly) set to take place in one host nation will be scorinated by the other co-host, and vice versa.

Scorinator: NSFootySim 2.0.1 will be used, with style modifiers and the points formula. Modifiers must be set by MD 1, and can be in the range of -5 to +5 (negative for defensive tactics, positive for attacking).

RP Bonus: It will be points added directly to a team’s pre-cup KPB total. RPs will be scored on a fairly simple scale (we don’t expect high quality writing here) taking into account the level of detail provided, as well as creativity and entertainment value. That said, any RP that is somewhat relevant to the World Cup, and provides more than a simple regurgitation of the scoreline and tables, will help the team that posts it. Additional elements of the bonus will make it advantageous for teams to RP regularly, though the entire body of work will be a partial factor.

During the finals, the RP bonus will start anew (though read below to see the affect the qualifying RP bonus will have on the finals ranks), and will be entirely cumulative, due to the smaller number of matchdays in the finals.

The starting point total for a team in the finals will be their original KPB pre-qualifying, plus ½ their qualifying RP bonus plus ½ the change in their KPB between qualifying and the cup finals. We propose this system as a compromise between the debate as to whether a team should be rewarded for their performance in qualifying, or for their RP bonus.


Additional note about the co-hosts: While our nation names may be somewhat unfamiliar, both Novapsolu and Ad’ihan have a good bit of experience in the NSWC. Both are former co-hosts of the World Cup (as Legalese and Liverpool England, respectively), working together (with Vilita) to salvage World Cup 22, after the demise of LE’s initial co-host; as Legalese, I also hosted two Cups of Harmony, three Baptisms of Fire, and if not for RL issues, might still be hosting the BoF today (no disrespect to the folks who took it up after I left, of course  ). Ad’ihan (as LE) has also hosted not only a CoH and BoF each, but also multiple non-soccer events. We think that our collective experience speaks for itself.

And so, with that, Ad’ihan and I submit our hosting bid for World Cup 37 for consideration. We ask for any questions and comments in here, and thank you for reading.

Information about Novapsolu:

Novapsolu tends to remain very secretive about their origins. As indicated by the visual presence of their National Team, they appear to be human, or human-like, but other than that, little else is known. The exact composition of the land is also unknown; most of the area seems to be covered by a clouds and fog. There are a few islands known to exist, including these three, called the Isles of Kikkr:

http://jdfrew.people.wm.edu/IslesOfKikkr.jpg
Note that the places indicated on the map are the stadium sites. There are not really "cities" to speak of in those locations at the moment.

Construction is currently underway on the Isles, with Kerke and Teslu set to host multiple pitches for the World Cup Finals. Isle Gan is set to be the future home of the National Team, as well as the Kikkr Board, a group of top officials charged with organizing the national team, as well as the domestic system. On Isle Gan, the stadium known as "Gan Monah" is underway. It will seat approximately 100,000, and will serve as the site of either the World Cup final or Third-Place match.

(This bid logo isn't the greatest, and maybe Novapsolu has better photoshop skills than me, so... this is very tentative)

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7279/wc37hu9.png

Information about Ad'ihan:
Ad'ihan is a small protectorate - 15.4 square km in area - located within city limits of Ad'ihan City Centre (Outer Islands territory of Liverpool England). Ad'ihan is autonomous and self-governing, with its own legislature and laws. It does not have to subscribe to federal Liverpool England law. There is only one stadium in the protectorate, the aptly-named Protectorate Stadium, which has a capacity of 74,000 and is located on the outskirts of the protectorate. For the purposes of hosting this World Cup, the federal government in Liverpool England has built new stadiums on land in the surrounding Outer Islands region, as well as temporary floating stadia in the sea.

There is only one way to get into the country, and that is to physically cross the border between Ad'ihan and the greater city area (part of Liverpool England). No airport serves the protectorate directly, Aéroport international d'Ad'ihan, located about 100 km east of the protectorate on the eastern coast of Île Grande, serves the Outer Islands in general.

The only official language of the protectorate is English, although French is commonly spoken as well as it is the main language of the Outer Islands territory. The official currency is the Ad'ihan Tazo.

Stadia info

Protectorate Stadium
Protectorate of Ad'ihan
Capacity: 74,000
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5629/800px76693565b44605f726eb7.jpg

Barrier Island Region Ground
Tallyn, Barrier Island, Liverpool England
Capacity: 46,000
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3511/800pxstadedegerlandxm3.png

Stade de l'Îles
Ad'ihan City, Grand Island, Liverpool England
Capacity: 67,000
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/430/746pxkparkenwq6.jpg

Stadium by the Shore
Off the southwest coast of Grand Island in the Great Mets Sea
Capacity/description: Built to hold 43,000, but due to security issues with floating stadiums reduced to 35,000. Built just off the shore, in the picture included with the press release the buildings on the mainland are visible. As with the other of the floating stadiums there are undersea tunnels to facilitate transportation.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8185/800pxullevistadiumingotcr4.jpg

Arène de la Mer
Off the eastern coast of Grand Island, north of Aéroport international d'Ad'ihan
Capacity: 37,500. Also has a temporary platform acting as a carpark which can hold up to 650 cars.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7065/ernsthappelstadionzs3.jpg

At the end of group play, at least the top 3 teams in each group will, if not given a direct spot, have a chance to at least play-off for a spot in the finals.
If ninety-two teams are signed up, would you use fifteen groups of six, with the first-placed teams qualifying and the second- and third-placed teams in playoffs (if so, how would these playoffs be structured?), or would you use ten groups of nine?

What tiebreakers will be used in qualifying and in the first round?

Do you consider it fair that, if you host World Cup 37, both of your nations’ ranks will be greatly improved by auto-qualifying?

I'm quite certain others will ask this question, so I'll go ahead and get it out of the way.

Though I'm well aware of the experience you both (OOCly) have hosting World Cups, might some see this as being a little early for a hosting bid by two nations that have only been in one WC qualifying round?

(EDIT: I started writing that question before CH's post, I swear it! :p)

I'm quite certain others will ask this question, so I'll go ahead and get it out of the way.

Though I'm well aware of the experience you both (OOCly) have hosting World Cups, might some see this as being a little early for a hosting bid by two nations that have only been in one WC qualifying round?

(EDIT: I started writing that question before CH's post, I swear it! :p)

FWIW ICly speaking this nation (LE) will provide assistance to Ad'ihan, as Ad'ihan is a protectorate (and an enclave) of Liverpool England. Consider the Liverpool England government to be looking at the possibility of returning to the international fray soon, and this is a good way to start.

[OOC: Also, think of the RP opportunities! People protesting at political interference in sport!?! :p]

If ninety-two teams are signed up, would you use fifteen groups of six, with the first-placed teams qualifying and the second- and third-placed teams in playoffs (if so, how would these playoffs be structured?), or would you use ten groups of nine?


We'd probably go with 15 groups of 6. This would provide for 10 matches, which we feel is not prohibitively short for qualifying, and for even-numbered groups, which tends to be neater, with no byes to worry about. The playoffs for that format would place the group runner ups in one pot, and the 3rd placed teams in another pot, so that you aren't drawn against a team of the same seed. The playoffs will be two-leg, home and home affairs.

What tiebreakers will be used in qualifying and in the first round?

if teams are even on points, the tiebreakers will be, in order: results of head-to-head matches, goal differential, most goals scored, and most wins. If all those fail to break the tie, the teams in question will play an extra game against each other.

Do you consider it fair that, if you host World Cup 37, both of your nations’ ranks will be greatly improved by auto-qualifying?

I hadn't really thought of it, but you are right. Likewise, the same issue can happen in reverse for a high-ranking team who hosts. Personally, I'd be willing to accept whatever is determined to be the best solution for crediting the hosts for qualifying.

When are scores going to be posted and what's the schedule for host swap-overs going to be like?

But, in the case of a qualifying format with 15 groups of 6 countries, wouldn't be better to just cancel the playoffs and qualify the two best teams of each group?

(I start to think if we'll have only one hosting bid for the World Cup again...)

When are scores going to be posted and what's the schedule for host swap-overs going to be like?

I can't speak for Ad'ihan, but for me, scores would be posted sometime between 10 PM and 1 AM EDT (300 - 600 UTC), and usually to the early side of that. As for swap-overs, I imagine we'll swap-over every one or two matchdays; if LE returns as well, I'll scorinate that match every night.

Do you consider it fair that, if you host World Cup 37, both of your nations’ ranks will be greatly improved by auto-qualifying?

Too be honest, i don't care, as it is unlikely that I will win the Cup anyway

Do you consider it fair that, if you host World Cup 37, both of your nations’ ranks will be greatly improved by auto-qualifying?

Too be honest, i don't care, as it is unlikely that I will win the Cup anyway

Only Qaz could answer a question a) posed to someone else, b) about their rankings, and c) in a thread with nothing obviously to do with him, and answer it by talking about his own chances of winning the Cup.

There's only one Qazox.

I can't speak for Ad'ihan, but for me, scores would be posted sometime between 10 PM and 1 AM EDT (300 - 600 UTC), and usually to the early side of that. As for swap-overs, I imagine we'll swap-over every one or two matchdays; if LE returns as well, I'll scorinate that match every night.

There will be no change here, scores would be posted between 10 am and 1 pm my time too if necessary to keep continuity. And FWIW that's 2 am to 5 am UTC, not 3 to 6. ;)

But, in the case of a qualifying format with 15 groups of 6 countries, wouldn't be better to just cancel the playoffs and qualify the two best teams of each group?

We did consider all possibilities, but our intention is definitely for playoffs to be a part of the qualifying structure. Personally (disclaimer: and this view may not be representative of our bid as a whole) I don't think playoffs will make a huge difference here time-wise, it's only two additional matchdays (and still two matchdays less than what we'd have if we received enough sign-ups for groups of 8).

There's only one Qazox.

There can be only one, naturally ;)

Info about Novapsolu has just been added. Also, as an FYI, I will be away for the next week (from the 19th to the 25, specifically), though I'll try to check in on the forums sporadically.

Sativaville and Qazox humbly request if they make the World Cup to be placed together, as that would increase my chances to get intot he 2nd round up from 0% to 1%....j/k

Possible logo?

http://spaam.mrdrake.net/worldcup/aidnovsmall.jpg

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Possible logo?

http://spaam.mrdrake.net/worldcup/aidnovsmall.jpg

That's great work there Spaam!

I am disturbed by your play-off plans.

Let me provide examples from WC36.

Sel Appa was the best placed 2nd placed team in qualifying with 35 points, 9 points ahead of the 3rd placed team. That would have put them on top of 5 of the other groups.

The #1 ranked team in World Cup 36 had a horror 3-nil loss to Zwangzug in the 2nd round of the Cup Proper. This could happen to any team, no matter how good.

Putting those two together and you could have a great qualifying performer miss out on the Cup. Sure, they would have another chance in the return play-off, but one bad match could be very hard to recover from.

The successful qualifiers must surely be the most consistent performers over the entire qualifying period. To have half - let me repeat that - half of the qualifying teams come through a play-off lottery is unfair, imo.

OK, as of now there are 90 teams signed up (20 puppets).
So at the current level, 15 groups of 6 = 90. Hence top qualifier would be automatic, 2nd and 3rd placed teams throw into the playoffs.

So we'd have 30 teams in the playoff?
15 x 6 => 15 automatic, 15 from 30 teams - easy to work out

I'm no fan of playoffs since my known record in playoffs so far in any cup is rather bad.

Should we get to 96 teams then we have
16 x 6 => 16 automatic, 14 teams from 32 in playoffs
12 x 8 => 12 automatic, 18 teams from 24 in playoffs

With 16x6, we could drop off the 4 worst 3rd placed teams to make it 14 from 28.

With 12x8, you'd have to add the 4th placed teams to make it 18 from 36 or give 1st and 2nd automatic - then use playoff to choose 6 from 12 (from 3rd placed teams).

Also, 10 qualifying games is too few.

Both Legalese/Novapsolu and I are currently busy in real life - Legal's preparing to move back to campus (and will be back on NS by this weekend), while I have one more exam to go (tomorrow). I'll discuss this with him over the weekend and we should have an answer by Monday.

Both Legalese/Novapsolu and I are currently busy in real life - Legal's preparing to move back to campus (and will be back on NS by this weekend), while I have one more exam to go (tomorrow). I'll discuss this with him over the weekend and we should have an answer by Monday.

Thanks.

My main worry is exactly about the playoffs in case of 15 groups of 6 teams. Some second placed teams have good performances in the group stage, even better than some first placed teams, and, even after a good group stage, can be out of the World Cup.

And there is also the possibility of a playoff between the second placed and the third placed of the same group.

In this case, it'd be more fair, in my opinion, to just qualify the two best placed teams of each group, and forget the playoffs.

Another question: about the group draws (of the qualifying stage and of the World Cup group stage), which will be the criterion used for the draw? It'll be a random or a seeded draw? If seeded, will you use the KPB ranking system?

Another question: about the group draws (of the qualifying stage and of the World Cup group stage), which will be the criterion used for the draw? It'll be a random or a seeded draw? If seeded, will you use the KPB ranking system?

Group draws will be seeded, with qualifying using the post-WC36 KPBs (and splitting the BoF teams by performance, if needed), and the Finals using the post-Qualifier rankings. Ad'ihan and I will be drawn into groups A and E.