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Can any one stop the domination of Az-cz?

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SIGNUPS 7/??
Qazox
Quakmybush
Corneliu
Jeffersopa
Az-cz
Liverpool England
Linus and Lucy



Host Bids 2/??
Quakmybush?
Faxanavia?

Quakmybush

and if someone could send me a scorinator type thing, ill bid to host.

I am in.

Not sure how this works but The Republic of Jeffersopa is in.

Az-cz could stop its own domination but isn't going to. We're trying to extend it even further.

Liverpool England will be back.

In

Not really interested in playing, but will bid as host.

Not really interested in playing, but will bid as host.

OK.. but you'd have to let us know how you are going to scorinate it.

Uiri is in.

I'll enter. I'm also interested in offering hosting/scorination duties, should be able to produce a scorinator.

As far as scorinators are concerned I think a new one is needed. Qazox doesn't have his (or didn't last time we spoke) and I don't think the one I used is any good.

Trumanistan wishes to enter WBC III

The Barbarian Hordes of Grotewohl request entry.

SIGNUPS 14/??
Qazox
Quakmybush
Corneliu
Jeffersopa
Az-cz
Liverpool England
Linus and Lucy
Uiri
Kura-Pelland
Trumanistan
Grotewohl
Sativaville (Qazox' Puppet)
Lovisa
Mannifax

Host Bids 3/??
Quakmybush?
Kura-Pelland
Qazox?

The Unoffical World Rankings
Based only on W-L record (wins then record)


1- Az-cz (29-3) .906
2- Milchama (17-9) .654
3- Zwangzug (15-5) .750
4- Assegai Developments (14-9) .609
5- Kiryu-shi (13-8) .619
6- Kampfers (12-8) .600
7t- Qazox (12-9) .571
7t- Elves Security Forces (12-9) .571
9- Ambrose-Douglas (9-5) .643
10- West Pasco (8-6) .571
11- Iansisle (8-10) .444
12- Kura-Pelland (7-5) .583
13- St. Samuel (7-11) .389
14- Lovisa (6-8) .429
15- Cookesland (5-9) .357
16t- Liverpool England (4-4) .500
16t- Quakmybush (4-4) .500
17- New Montreal States (3-5) .375
18t- Braveria (2-4) .333
18t- Okielahoma (2-4) .333
18t- Political Cartoons (2-4) .333
21- Vephrall (2-6) .250
22t- Calizorinstan (1-7) .125
22t- Central Prestonia (1-7) .125
22t- Demot (1-7) .125
22t- Nitrodymium (1-7) .125
22t- Yafor 2 (1-7) .125
27t- Angry Chimpanzees (0-8) .000
27t- Scotchpinestan (0-8) .000

As for scorination, I could use MLB07 or NCAA Baseball07, as I still can't seem to get my original scorinator back or have come up with a good replacement.

No, don't use games. Ever.

No, don't use games. Ever.

Why not???

It's not like I can fix the results by tweaking RP bonuses or anything like that.

IF it were allowed, i could do about 50 matches in about 10 minutes.. even though i'd have to spend 50 minutes writing every thing down.

IF the majority of teams agree, I'll withdraw the Hosting bid then.

The Federation Phoenixes (Ambrose-Douglas) will be back to continue their improbable run to the semis with the coolest mascot in the Classic. ;)

Sativaville is going to play bases-ball!!

Why not???

It's not like I can fix the results by tweaking RP bonuses or anything like that.

IF it were allowed, i could do about 50 matches in about 10 minutes.. even though i'd have to spend 50 minutes writing every thing down.

IF the majority of teams agree, I'll withdraw the Hosting bid then.

HOW exactly do you intend to apply RP bonus to a game?

I think this is maybe something I'm not so good for. You should probably take me off the list.

Lovisa sign up

HOW exactly do you intend to apply RP bonus to a game?

True....

I'm still working on my re-built one, and hopefully i'll have it working soon.

Mannifax signs up for its first classic

A group of men and women dressed in bathing suits and painted Azure, Yellow, and White walk out and organize themselves in to a certain order

on their chests is painted: "Cookesland signs up!"

i'll host if someone tells me how

I'm in!

Yay, more Cubs fans sign up! (me, that is!)

miamoria is definitely in this should be interesting. i hope this is as good as it sounds

Updated Sign-up list


SIGNUPS 19/??
Qazox
Quakmybush
Corneliu
Jeffersopa
Az-cz
Liverpool England
Linus and Lucy
Uiri
Kura-Pelland
Trumanistan
Grotewohl
Ambrose-Douglas
Sativaville (Qazox' Puppet)
Lovisa
Mannifax
Cookesland
Milchama
Yafor 2
miamoria

Host Bids 3/??
Quakmybush?
Kura-Pelland
Cookesland?

I'm withdrawing my host bid.. as I forgot that hosts have to wait 2 tourneys to host, and besides, I'm still tweaking my scorinator.

Umm... Qazox... you missed me saying that I was in.

Umm... Qazox... you missed me saying that I was in.

fixed...

I'm in, if you guys are still doing this. I'd be interested in hosting too, but I'm still sorting out possible baseball simulators.

I'm in again

I'll play if someone explains to me exactly what this is. This is my NS debut, I'm usually in International Incidents.

I'll play if someone explains to me exactly what this is. This is my NS debut, I'm usually in International Incidents.

What it is is that we use a simulator (a program to generate scores) to get baseball scores and then we RP the results, the group draw and things like that. Ever see a sport's report in the newspaper? Something like that is what we look for. The are others that can explain it better than I can though.

We also have the NS World Cup of football/soccer, hockey and Olympics. The World Cup is usually held once a month on average, and the other two are held about 3-4 times a year.

UPDATES

SIGNUPS 22/??
Qazox
Quakmybush
Corneliu
Jeffersopa
Az-cz
Liverpool England
Linus and Lucy
Uiri
Kura-Pelland
Trumanistan
Grotewohl
Ambrose-Douglas
Sativaville (Qazox' Puppet)
Lovisa
Mannifax
Cookesland
Milchama
Yafor 2
Miamoria
The Crescent Republic
Elves Security Forces
Vanek Drury Brieres

Host Bids 4/??
Quakmybush
Kura-Pelland
Cookesland
The Crescent Republic

Since we have 4 host bids.. I'm closing the HOST BID part of the sign-ups. Please have more info on your bid by Aug. 19th.

Qaz,

Do we have a scorinator yet? We can't do anything without a scorinator.

The Commonwealth of Integrite would like to enter the Classic.

Qaz,

Do we have a scorinator yet? We can't do anything without a scorinator.

I believe that is up to the hosts, not me. If some how they can't get one.. then we'll postpone it until we do get one that works. (Still can't get mine to work.. getting scores like 23-1, and that's just between two average teams.. hell Az-cz vs. Noobistan came out 78-3.)

I like this 78-3 Az-cz winning score line. I agree it's up to the hosts, but I was just pointing out there's no point in doing something like closing the host bidding yet.

I like this 78-3 Az-cz winning score line. I agree it's up to the hosts, but I was just pointing out there's no point in doing something like closing the host bidding yet.

In that Case.. Host bids are re-opened, for now.

To be perfectly honest, I've got a simulator. But numero uno, it's not one of my own creation...I wouldn't even know where to start in terms of making one. And number two, although it works, the scores are a little...hm...:/.

Back in the day, there used to be an NSMLB. I never got around to joining, but I did download their scorinator in anticipation of entering their league. I've still got it, but it relies on a fairly simple system. You get 25 points to divide up between Hitting, Pitching, Running, and Fielding. You can't exceed more than 10 points in any category, and you have to have at least 1 point in each one. I type in the points per category and it generates a score. Unfortunately, I've found I get a good amount of shutouts this way, more than I should. I put in two teams with different stats and scorinated five different games. Here are my results.

First Game
Team 1: 4
Team 2: 2

Second Game
Team 1: 7
Team 2: 0

Third Game
Team 1: 6
Team 2: 1

Fourth Game
Team 1: 0
Team 2: 4

Fifth Game
Team 1: 3
Team 2:1

What do you guys think?

For the first 2 WBC's, we used the same catergories but had a 30 point system, but i would not object to a 25-pt system at all.

Is there any way you can try your scorinator with 30 points? If not don't worry about it.

Could you put it up for download somewhere? If other people had it we could do more testing and come up with a better idea of how good it is.

For the first 2 WBC's, we used the same catergories but had a 30 point system, but i would not object to a 25-pt system at all.

Is there any way you can try your scorinator with 30 points? If not don't worry about it.

Unfortunately, it was designed only for 25 points, and I'm definitely no programmer. The idea, obviously, is that Hitting and Running will produce higher scoring games, while pitching and defense provide lower scoring games. An interesting concept they used on NSMLB was that nations that had already competed in the NSMLB before could have their stats go up to 10, while new nations could only have a maximum of 8 in any one category.

Could you put it up for download somewhere? If other people had it we could do more testing and come up with a better idea of how good it is.

Well, here's the dilemna...as it stands now, we've got no scorinator. This one, while not particularly outstanding, produces scores based on stats. So, we can test it all we want, but until somebody produces something else (which is always possible), it's all we've got if we want to run another WBC.

As for the downloading question, I'm a nice guy, so I'll post a link to the site I got it at. I hope this doesn't hurt my bid any, though.

http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/NationState_Baseball/index.php?showtopic=19&st=0

Unfortunately, it was designed only for 25 points, and I'm definitely no programmer. The idea, obviously, is that Hitting and Running will produce higher scoring games, while pitching and defense provide lower scoring games. An interesting concept they used on NSMLB was that nations that had already competed in the NSMLB before could have their stats go up to 10, while new nations could only have a maximum of 8 in any one category.

Here's what the system we used the 1st two looked like:
(Sorry it was 45 points.. not 30 as i said earlier)

RATINGS: you have 45 points to "spend" on the team's ratings. Each catergory is from 1-10 points.

(EXAMPLE: TEAM A
STARTERS: 5
RELIEF: 8
HITTING: 7
POWER: 10
SPEED: 5
DEFENSE: 10)
Under this example, Team A's starters will usually last 5 or 6 innings. The relief is good, but could allow a few runs. The team will get good hits, many homers, a couple of steals and have few errors.)

(EXAMPLE: TEAM B
STARTERS: 10
RELIEF: 10
HITTING: 10
POWER: 10
SPEED: 3
DEFENSE: 2)

25 points over 4 catergories compared to 45 pts over 6 catergories would be easier, in the long run I think. The starters/relief can be combined into 1 catergory, while hitting/power could go together as well.

Well, here's the dilemna...as it stands now, we've got no scorinator. This one, while not particularly outstanding, produces scores based on stats. So, we can test it all we want, but until somebody produces something else (which is always possible), it's all we've got if we want to run another WBC.

As for the downloading question, I'm a nice guy, so I'll post a link to the site I got it at. I hope this doesn't hurt my bid any, though.

http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/NationState_Baseball/index.php?showtopic=19&st=0

You are the club-house leader, so far

So long as it has a way to deal with rank and RP anything is ok. I personally would push for waiting a bit longer to make sure we have a scorinator that works (and to give me time to get home where I can RP more) but if other people want to start soon, then that's ok too.

I'm working on a spreadsheet right now. It's somewhat tricky but I'm getting there.

I'm trying to work out the purpose of separate hitting and speed (which increase scores) and pitching/defence (which decrease them) stats... I'm thinking we could sum it all up with a World Cup-esque 'style modifier' which interacts with the rank, and to which the existing 'park style' could be added. (E.g. teams with style -2 and +2 on a pitchers' park act as though their styles are -3 and +1.) That would do the same thing more simply than what we've got.

Got it. Complete with a VLOOKUP table for how many runs are scored per inning, as that seemed to be the best way to sort out the probability of different scores in each inning. Still working on it really. But it'll be usable for a Kura-Pelland hosting bid, that's for sure.

I'd love to join if someone tells me how it works

Very simple: results are randomly generated (probably through an Excel spreadsheet) and you then post roleplays (usually in the form of a report of the kind you might see in a newspaper) about it. To encourage activity, there is a 'roleplay bonus' for active RPing teams, though rankings from the last two competitions (and pure luck) do have an effect also.

I'm thinking we could sum it all up with a World Cup-esque 'style modifier' which interacts with the rank, and to which the existing 'park style' could be added. (E.g. teams with style -2 and +2 on a pitchers' park act as though their styles are -3 and +1.) That would do the same thing more simply than what we've got.

We have a modifer already to be incorporated into a scorinator for the type of park each team has.

We kept it simple:
+1 for a hitters park like Coors Field (Rockies), Citizen's Bank Park(Phillies)
0 for a neutral park Like Turner Field (Braves) or Edison Field (Angels)
-1 for a pitcher's park like Petco Park (Padres) or Dodger Stadium.

We have a modifer already to be incorporated into a scorinator for the type of park each team has.

We kept it simple:
+1 for a hitters park like Coors Field (Rockies), Citizen's Bank Park(Phillies)
0 for a neutral park Like Turner Field (Braves) or Edison Field (Angels)
-1 for a pitcher's park like Petco Park (Padres) or Dodger Stadium.

Noted: in fact, the intention was for that style of modifier to be added on alongside team style modifiers.

Hence the explanation I gave: two teams of style 2 and -2 on a pitcher's park go to (2-1)=1 and (-2-1)=-3.

UPDATES

SIGNUPS 24/??
Qazox
Quakmybush
Corneliu
Jeffersopa
Az-cz
Liverpool England
Linus and Lucy
Uiri
Kura-Pelland
Trumanistan
Grotewohl
Ambrose-Douglas
Sativaville (Qazox' Puppet)
Lovisa
Mannifax
Cookesland
Milchama
Yafor 2
Miamoria
The Crescent Republic
Elves Security Forces
Vanek Drury Brieres
Integrite
Rivenstone


Host Bids 4/??
Quakmybush
Kura-Pelland
Cookesland
The Crescent Republic

Noted: in fact, the intention was for that style of modifier to be added on alongside team style modifiers.

Hence the explanation I gave: two teams of style 2 and -2 on a pitcher's park go to (2-1)=1 and (-2-1)=-3.

Ok I misunderstood what you were suggesting.

So roughly a +2 style team would hit and run alot, attempt many stolen bases, etc? or would it be a wait for the 3-run HR type?

I was thinking more a reflection of 'more likely to be involved in a high-scoring game, better at scoring runs than stopping them', but there's more complexity than that in baseball. That said, I'm not convinced the distinction is necessary for scorination purposes, and perhaps could be usefully left to be RPed (in much the same way that a 0-style team in the World Cup could be a team playing a balanced 4-4-2 formation, but could also be a team built around midfield. Strategically different, but roughly as likely to score/concede.

I guess the advantage of the multiple-stat approach is to create interesting 'matchups' whereby hitting is lined up against pitching, and speed against defence. Actually, I should be able to work it from there given a day or so.

(Disclaimer: baseball is not a sport I'm heavily exposed to here in England, and while I'm aware of how it works I am by no means as well-versed in its strategic intricacies as most of you guys.)

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to an excel-based scorinator, as they seem to be the standard around here. My main concern lies with the timeframe for the WBC to begin. There are still rosters to be sorted out, schedules to be posted...the longer we deliberate, the faster interest wanes. Other than that, I'm 100% for a scorinator built from scratch. The one I've got is a far cry from perfect.

Whee, we're in again.

I can modify the scorinator used in #2, if people would like, but as I'm on vacation that wouldn't happen for several days.

I'm not too worried about interest waning, but if people want to get started, that's fine with me as well. It'll probably help you all break my lock on the title. :)

I agree. I'd like to get this started by next monday (aug 20) if possible.

Mannifax regretfully withdraws from the Classic.

in

(ooc: Supposd to be Qazox.. but who cares right?)

SIGNUPS 24/??
Qazox
Quakmybush
Corneliu
Jeffersopa
Az-cz
Liverpool England
Linus and Lucy
Uiri
Kura-Pelland
Trumanistan
Grotewohl
Ambrose-Douglas
Sativaville (Qazox' Puppet)
Lovisa
Cookesland
Milchama
Yafor 2
Miamoria
The Crescent Republic
Elves Security Forces
Vanek Drury Brieres
Integrite
Rivenstone
Taeshan

Host Bids 4/??
Quakmybush
Kura-Pelland
Cookesland
The Crescent Republic

Includes Mannifax' WD and the signup of Taeshan. Since I'd like to get this started by Monday, Sign-ups are closed, and i hope we can get a scorinator over the next 4 days. If not...:headbang:

yeah i signed up just in the nick of time

Urcea's finest team, the New York Yankees, will participate.

Oh, I can't join? Aww.

I have a scorinator I wrote several months ago when I was hosting a different NS baseball tournament; it works based on actual MLB statistics, a measure of "baseball frenzy" and "baseball tradition" for each individual nation to adjust the statistics, and then actually simulating each at-bat.

I'd be more than happy to make it available, but it'll require quite a bit of work before it's in a form presentable to others--I hard-coded a lot of the information, and it has some bugs that I was fine dealing with when I was doing it myself, but others might not be equipped to deal with.

It's also written in PHP, which means whoever uses it will either need to have a web server installed locally, or access to one somewhere.

My bid's still out there, just so everybody knows. I've got the scorinator, I've got the time...just give me the word.

when are we gonna start

My fear is that we won't ... we need someone to choose a host...

I'm ready and able to help improve my scorinator.

One question that we ran into last time was the importance of line scores. Whether or not we have them (as opposed to just totals of runs) is of different importance to different people. How do the potential hosts feel about this?

EDIT: Also, rankings. Last time around Az-cz and Qazox had different sets: I personally prefer the Az-cz version. Would both of you please post the rankings through WBC2 here? Linking to an Excel file or simply displaying them would be best for me: if there are raw numbers to accompany the relative rankings, those would be good too. Something like

1. Az-cz 10.39
2. Milchama 9.31
...

I won't bother with line scores if I host. I feel the difficulty of producing them (for me) exceeds the benefit of having them. That said, it honestly doesn't bother me either way in the slightest.

Zwang I don't have a ranking system really. I just posted the records. Maybe you can do something with that. As for Line scores, don't really need them, we can RP them in.

And the Host vote is narrowed down to:
Zwangzug (Almost has a scorinator)
The Crescent Republic (has a Scorinator)

Voting begins NOW and will end on Saturday at 1:00 am EDT. It will start Next Monday August 27th. Please post your vote in this thread.

Can we just TG you Qazox? This way we don't have to do it publicly for those who don't want too.

Although I do vote for Zwangzug hopefully to curse him in the semifinal so my ranking remains at 9.

Would like to know how to play. I'll join.

Signups closed a little while ago, unfortunately for you.

I vote Zwangzug, and was just about to withdraw my host bid (posted as my puppet Zyla by mistake earlier) due to being likely away for a few days (or at least away from home and hence my scorinators).

Thanks for the support: while I cannot promise consistency of computer access at the same time every day, I will make an effort to host if chosen. I would also be glad to let someone else scorinate my matches.

This is an example of how I might schedule the tournament: in writing it, I have chosen to imitate the 2006 WBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_World_Baseball_Classic) very closely. Suggestions are welcomed.

Note: I am a United Statian idiot: there, I said it. So dates are given as month/day, and to me something like 1v6 means more like 1@6. However, I'm not planning to have a ten-game first round (home and away games). One of the things I have done in this schedule is always put the lower seed second (which to me means home, remember). Would it be fair to play all of the first round games in the country of the higher seed? Is there a better way to go about doing this? Should the second round take place in neutral venue? Your input is appreciated. (Although I could do a home-and-away setup, I'm worried that that would push the tournament too far back into a busier month for me, but if you're willing to bear with me, I could probably pull it off eventually.)

ROUND I

8/27: group draw
8/28 1v6, 2v5, 3v4
8/29 1v5, 2v4, 3v6
8/30 1v4, 2v3, 5v6
8/31 1v3, 2v6, 4v5
9/1 1v2, 3v5, 4v6

The top two finishers from each of the four groups that played in round I will advance to Round II. Teams from groups 1 and 2 will play in group A, teams from groups 3 and 4 will play in group B.


In considering advancement from rounds I and II, the first tiebreaker will be head-to-head record. The second will be runs allowed per inning pitched. Extra innings will be played in any game that is tied after nine innings. In scorination terms, this means that if there is a tie in rounded values of runs scored, the raw values will be compared. Extra innings then denote very close scorinator outputs between the teams, not me trying to make things interesting by inserting "(13 innings)" when I get bored. There will not be line scores. The third tiebreaker will be runs scored per inning pitched.

ROUND II
9/3 1v4, 2v3
9/4 1v3, 2v4
9/5 1v2, 3v4

The top two teams from each group will move onto the knockout stages. Both groups' top two teams will play each other on 9/7, then the winners of those two games will play on 9/8.

It is quite likely that I will not be able to follow this schedule perfectly: there are bye days built in, or I can push all games back.

Also, after this, would anyone be interested in a "World Series" for champion teams (clubs) of baseball nations some time later?

Can we just TG you Qazox?

I guess you can TG me also.

This bump has been brought to you by a tentative rating system.
Treat the most recently finished tournament as 4X, the second most recent as 2X and the third most recent as X. Then give two points for each win and divide by the number of games played by the team who played the most games.Except for "two points for each win" (I find that superfluous) this is essentially what I did here. Rankings are to two decimals but I have more on my computer.

1. Az-cz 5.60
2. Milchama 3.39
3. Zwangzug 3.22
4. Assegai Developments 2.68
5. Kampfers 2.55
Kiryu-shi 2.55
7. Qazox 2.42
Elves Security Forces 2.42
9. Ambrose-Douglas 2.12
10. Iansisle 1.68
11. Kura-Pelland 1.65
12. St Samuel 1.34
13. Lovisa 1.21
14. Cookesland .97
15. Quakmybush .94
Liverpool England .94
17. New Montreal States .71
18. West Pasco .53
19. Vephrall .47
20. Okielahoma .27
Political Cartoons .27
Braveria .27
23. Calizorinstan .24
Demot .24
Nitrodymium .24
Yafor 2 .24
Central Prestonia .24
28. Scotchpinestan 0
Angry Chimps 0

yo im not on the list Go taeshans elite purple knights baseball team

FINAL SIGNUP LIST 24/24
Qazox
Quakmybush
Corneliu
Jeffersopa
Az-cz
Liverpool England
Linus and Lucy
Uiri
Kura-Pelland
Trumanistan
Grotewohl
Ambrose-Douglas
Sativaville (Qazox' Puppet)
Lovisa
Cookesland
Milchama
Yafor 2
Miamoria
The Crescent Republic
Elves Security Forces
Vanek Drury Brieres
Integrite
Rivenstone
Taeshan


Taeshan the list by Zwangzug is the rankings (sorta of) from the teams that partcipated in the 1st two WBC's...

and Vanek Drury Brieres had already signed up.. so no problem w/ them being in it...

The hosting duties for the 3rd World Baseball Classic will go to: ZWANGZUG, as they had the only 2 votes I recieved (and no i didn't vote nor did my puppet.. and no i'm not telling who voted.)

So Zwangzug.. It's all yours man... hopefully you'll have the roster/rp/results thread up soonish.

Qazox, am I in the tournament? The fault is mine for not noticing it earlier, and I don't mind sitting out: I just hadn't expected that.

Here's the thread: World Baseball Classic 3 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536556).

FINAL SIGNUP LIST 24/24
Qazox
Quakmybush
Corneliu
Jeffersopa
Az-cz
Liverpool England
Linus and Lucy
Uiri
Kura-Pelland
Trumanistan
Grotewohl
Ambrose-Douglas
Sativaville (Qazox' Puppet) Dropped for hosts: ZWANGZUG
Lovisa
Cookesland
Milchama
Yafor 2
Miamoria
The Crescent Republic
Elves Security Forces
Vanek Drury Brieres
Integrite
Rivenstone
Taeshan[/SIZE]

Now let us get this party started.

Now let us get this party started.

Sorry, but Sign-ups are closed.

Sorry, but Sign-ups are closed.

NO SHIT!! Now where the hell is the roster and scores thread?

NO SHIT!! Now where the hell is the roster and scores thread?

Linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536556)

Linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536556)

Thank you Cookesland.