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Most of us remember the Temporal Accord as a...er...oh! A highly effective RP device that brought flavor and variety to many a temporal-tech-based thread. As time passed, though, it fell into disuse, gradually running down to a defunct state. It was never given a chance to die out properly.

Ideas? A signatory nation with internal corruption and dissent against the restrictions of the Accord? A strong nation with shielding and armaments sufficiently powerful to crush the Time Warships and their barred TETWs? Even a sub-STC dwelling race of monster-bunnies that corrode the timeline?

This is not an anti-TA thread. If it ever comes out into play, it can easily be retconned as a variant timeline that isn't quite canonical in terms of NS history.

For reference, let's take a look at the NSWiki! http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Temporal_Accord

Consider this to be a post of interest. Not sure what I'd be doing, but it still sounds interesting.

OOC: I dunno about anybody else, but I recall the TA's silly notion that it could enforce itself on non-signatories causing multiple nations to, purely out of spite, develop temporal technology that otherwise would not have done so. The TA, being as I recall a nonproliferation agreement, was therefore an abject failure.

A possible cause for its fall might possibly be someone going back in time and, say, arranging things so that the people who would become the parents of those who conceived the Accord, never meet. This may seem like a paradox, and it is, but it is not in fact a problem with causality. If someone from our future goes back in time to prevent an event in our past, which in turn prevents that future, causality nonetheless remains intact - there is no need to preserve that original timeline because it already happened. The future that sent them back is still part of our causal past, even if not our chronological past or future. Cause and effect are preserved, but not in the way you are expecting.

Ironically, changing the past in this fashion would also likely cause considerable deproliferation of temporal science, due to the fact that anger at TA arrogance was a direct cause of more than a few nations developing it. In short, messing with the timeline becomes more effective at protecting the timeline than the TA itself could ever have dreamed of being.

I hope I haven't given you a headache.

(ooc: this sound likes a good idea, the TA is pretty much just used as an excuse to go crush nations who might have been trying to equal the so called "experts and big bosses of "temporal tech" not that I would touch that with a 10 mega parsec pole, because temporal tech is just plain wanky.)

OOC: Naah, I've spent too much time looking at theoretical temporal mechanics to get a headache now.

Actually, that's not a bad idea, but we have to give the signatories some slack. They have heavy shielding that should dispel the effects of anything we do, them being slightly outside of the continuum. Also note that with an unsuppressed change in the past, in general a LOT of things would never happen. Considering that the parents of those who converged to create the Accord are high-powered individuals who could have done things besides the TA.

Some suggested that we just make time tech and they can't do anything about it. In a sense, that's actually how it's supposed to be done; as anyone else should be allowed to create "Level 5" temporal shielding without oppression from some mystical accord of wanking nations.

I was thinking more of a series of high-level collaborations. Pierce a shielded nation with very primitive brute-force attack methods, send in "Chrono Legionnaires" or something to do what you said, and ultimately do a good ol' TETW attack.

Can't we just leave a bad idea made of liars and idiot followers dead and forgotten as it should be?

That'd be no fun, now, wouldn't it? Just ignoring the Accord wouldn't prevent it from magically coming back to life by the whim of Indra Prime. Remember the Pokemon effect - it was never given a chance to die out properly, and it suddenly resurrected itself nearing the end of 2005.

I also invite signatory nations to join in their "Fall." It might sound weird, but if this whole thread is to be loaded with Accord opponents, there'd be a quick and tasteless end to this whole affair.

At which point it would be extremely poor form should Indra pick up the old ratty sock again, as it's generally not a good idea to do mean things to other people's stuff when they're not looking, no matter who the person is or how stupid their stuff may be. Meanwhile, I think most people realize Indra was completely full of it concerning being an OMG SUPAR SEKRIT GOBERMENT TIME SCIENTIST.

Given that two highly respected long time members, Menelmacar and Scolopendra had rather ...negative... views on this subject / alliance/ event that happened before I was around - I think I'm just going to watch this thread with interest and wonder what all I missed. )

It doesn't necessarily have to be behind their backs. They can see this thing whenever they want. It wouldn't be mean, too, unless they're extremely overprotective of their pride/immortality - at which point they can easily be accused of LawGodModing.

What you're suggesting is calling damage on them for -why- the Accord fell apart. That's godmoding in and of itself.

It's over. It's a good thing that it's over. If Induh Pwime and his cabal of morons show up tomorrow and pick it back up, who cares--as has been unintentionally pointed out, they've lost all credibility.

Isn't there any way by which this can be made into good, clean fun?

Isn't there any way by which this can be made into good, clean fun?

I seriously doubt it, there's too much bad blood between those of us who Supported and Enforced the TA, and those who fought it. Its ancient history for most people, for me thats 300 years, leave it be.

As for personal attacks on Indra, the Jury is still out on him, I still have a lot of respect for him, and its undeniable, he had style that is sorely missed here on NS.

As for personal attacks on Indra, the Jury is still out on him, I still have a lot of respect for him, and its undeniable, he had style that is sorely missed here on NS.
What jury? Time travel is pseudoscience (an occasional thought problem for a REAL scientist at best).

What talent? Rather blase' ho-hum-it's-a-combat-post-with-some-all-caps-some-numbers-and-some-obtuse-jargon ("ingress angle?") such as this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11320808#post11320808), Indra's last post? Or any of the other vaguely boring 'watch my characters do impossible things like doodling tesseracts out of boredom' like any search of Indra's last dozen posts pulls out? I mean, thankfully, he could spell and construct coherent sentences (if not ideas). I'm clearly not missing him, and there's quite a bunch of other people who I am pretty sure feel similarly in that regard.