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I've created two NSWiki articles to aid players in determining other island or landlocked nations. If your nation is an island nation or landlocked nation, please consider adding your nation to the every growing list.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Island_country
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Landlocked_country

Naturally the two groups are mutually exclusive.

Uh . . . You should allow for multiple answers.

In everything except for FT, my nation inhabits an series of island archipelagos with no neighbors in terms of territorial waters and stuff like that.

In FT, I control entire planets and also have borders with other nations scattered throughout space.

Uh . . . You should allow for multiple answers.

In everything except for FT, my nation inhabits an series of island archipelagos with no neighbors in terms of territorial waters and stuff like that.

In FT, I control entire planets and also have borders with other nations scattered throughout space.

I'm open to changing the poll (or asking for mod help to do so), but how would that not simply be *different* nations? If there are different "realities" for say your nation, wouldn't each one be its own nation.

For example:
Five Civilized Nations: Star Wars (FT)
Five Civilized Nations: Dungeons and Dragons (Fantasy)
Five Civilized Nations: WWII (Historical)

I'd think that the placement and characters in these are distinct ... even if the knights from the fantasy land became the historical which later became the Star Wars focused, then the future would dominate and the others would just be history.

To make things interesting, in future tech, part of my civilization is a non-planetbound free space trading society, big ships that ply the stars trading with other nations, some of them are even city ships. There are also some asteroid type cities, existing in three dimensions.

Also to make it interesting. In PMT we use things like the Freedom Ship, a giant mobile barge. Part of the nation is floating around in international waters, not claiming ownership of the sea, but ownership of the platforms on the sea.

The central concept is that we started on international waters in MT, building large barges and eventually ocean cities that are in effect owned properties, but because they were on international waters, no one owned the land, then we spread to the asteroid fields, once again it is possible to claim use in space by building on an asteroid, but in Sol System, initially there were no borders, space was considered common human property. Right now, in MT you can't own the moon for example.

Eventually this began to change and we moved out in future tech claiming some ownership to a few star systems, but mainly moving around different systems in space.

Outer Eugenia is located on a continent and includes a large coastal area. http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Free_Outer_Eugenia

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/prophet4profit/map.jpg

To make things interesting, in future tech, part of my civilization is a non-planetbound free space trading society, big ships that ply the stars trading with other nations, some of them are even city ships. There are also some asteroid type cities, existing in three dimensions.

Also to make it interesting. In PMT we use things like the Freedom Ship, a giant mobile barge. Part of the nation is floating around in international waters, not claiming ownership of the sea, but ownership of the platforms on the sea.

The central concept is that we started on international waters in MT, building large barges and eventually ocean cities that are in effect owned properties, but because they were on international waters, no one owned the land, then we spread to the asteroid fields, once again it is possible to claim use in space by building on an asteroid, but in Sol System, initially there were no borders, space was considered common human property. Right now, in MT you can't own the moon for example.

Eventually this began to change and we moved out in future tech claiming some ownership to a few star systems, but mainly moving around different systems in space.

It is an interesting concept. Have you read Kim Stanely Robinson's Red Mars. This same idea was applied to the roving bands of some of the early Martian colonists in his novel. :)

That really does bring up the question of there being an entirely different sub-category of "borderless countries" (which there also is an article for), for wandering "countries".

8 of the 10 countries in The Q Continuum are on one contintenal land mass, with 6 of the countries touching Qazox with the only exceptions being, Sativaville, which is on an island 420 miles east of the main landmass, and Wickedable which is on an island 20 miles off of the southeast coast of Qazox. There are no Landlocked countries.

See a partial map below:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Q-Continuum_%28qazox%29.JPG (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Q-Continuum_%28qazox%29.JPG)

Jeruselem looks like Israel, coast on the west and land-borders elsewhere.

Swilatia is neither. We on the continent of Swilatis, and have Coastline on the north, land borers on all other sides.

Jeruselem looks like Israel, coast on the west and land-borders elsewhere.

ditto for Cookesland

The Kingdom of Forty-Six Islands of Schiavonia is... I think I might have explained it already.

Hmm. My nation is the size and shape of Greenland. Is that "large landmass" or is it "island; borderless"?

Hmm. My nation is the size and shape of Greenland. Is that "large landmass" or is it "island; borderless"?

In real-life, the similar Wiki articles actually draw the line at Australia, which I was always taught was a small continent ... as with anything else in NationStates, the final call goes to the nation's player. :)

My vote would actually be conditional ... if the Hack's large "territory" is close enough to another landmass that you have bridges and tunnels, then I'd consider it a Greenland and hence a freakn' huge island associated with a continent. If on the other hand it is sort of by itself, I'd upgrade it to large landmass.

The real two options I should have added to the poll were:
- entire planets
- entire continents

vs.

- large landmass w/ neighbors

As a splitter, I could have lumped things back together once I got the stats. Obviously I hope enough players respond that I can make some graphs to help populate the NSWiki articles. :)

Thanks to all whom have responded thus far! And also to those of you whom have edited the NSWiki articles to include your nations. (NOTE: I did create a borderless country article as well for everybody's use.)

*Peers at the Freethinker Mainland*

Continent I guess, although even that perhaps doesn't quite cut it.

What about a nation which is connected to a continental landmass, and part archipelago?

OMGTKK mostly occupies a peninsula though it does control a good number of islands; would it qualify?

Tiki Taki will be added shortly.

The Confederacy of Subantarctic Islands consists of the Islands of South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands, Kerguelen, St Paul, Amsterdam Island, Heard Islands and the Crozets.

We share no borders. We don't like sharing :sniper:

The Confederacy of Subantarctic Islands consists of the Islands of South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands, Kerguelen, St Paul, Amsterdam Island, Heard Islands and the Crozets.

We share no borders. We don't like sharing :sniper:
now,there's no need for the gun smiley.

OMGTKK mostly occupies a peninsula though it does control a good number of islands; would it qualify?

Tiki Taki will be added shortly.

That description would fit Norway ... which is not an island nation, though it is a nation that includes islands, 1,000s of them. :)

I'll just declare that OMGTKK is special in numerous other ways and ship you a beer.

if the Hack's large "territory" is close enough to another landmass that you have bridges and tunnelsHeh heh heh. An underground, vacuum-sealed, supersonic subway system connects the Hack and GMC. Granted, it's a (roughly) 200 mile difference, but still... we're all about the overengineering.

Still, it's not the size of Australia, so I'll go for the smaller of the two, with an asterisk that it's on the cusp.

I'm pretty sure that Greenland is tectonically a part of the North American continent. The continent/island debate might be different if it were on it's own plate.

Olympus Mons is, of course, a volcano on the coast of the Oceanus Borealis. About two thirds of it's borders are land, with the remainder fronting on international waters.

Is a little over 1000 miles wide and maybe 2000 miles long a continent or is that an island?

Razat is a landlocked nation. I imagined it as a mountainous region that would be a major PITA to invade. Of course, the flip side is, it's also very difficult to extend our military to distant lands. :(

Razat is a landlocked nation. I imagined it as a mountainous region that would be a major PITA to invade. Of course, the flip side is, it's also very difficult to extend our military to distant lands. :(

If you have food you can grow in a mountain environment then there is no need to extend into distant lands. :)

BTW thanks for all the replies.

What about a nation which is connected to a continental landmass, and part archipelago?

Like Florida and Cuba, one is connected and the other is not ... I'd say that counts as being connected, but also having islands in the territory. It isn't an island nation per se, but it is a nation with island territories. :)

*bump for votes* :)

*gravedig*

Actually it is a bump. I'm hoping that people who missed this thread the first time can vote. :) If I see no significant changes I'll consider this done.

Thanks all! :)

Ariddia consists in nineteen islands. Technically, it has a land border (http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2749/esatbdryd0.jpg) with ESAT (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/ESAT). It also has a continental exclave which borders Uhuh-Topia (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f141/DarthBunny/ns_stuff/political-small.png).

Prux is an island Nation with no borders.

I've created two NSWiki articles to aid players in determining other island or landlocked nations. If your nation is an island nation or landlocked nation, please consider adding your nation to the every growing list.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Island_country
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Landlocked_country

Naturally the two groups are mutually exclusive.

La Habana Cuba is massive environmentally stunning nation archipelago of one main island and over 5,ooo small islands, cays, keys and islets with many white sandy beaches, excellent natural harbors, gently rolling hills and plains, lush tropical rain forests and high towering mountains.

I exsagerated it for NS, the number of small islands, cays, keys and islets its supposed to be 1,500 or 1,600, I have read old books including encyclopedias that say 5,000, one even says 6,000.

In older books and encyclopedias Cuba's total land area is supposed to be 44,218 square miles, 114,525 square kilometers, after Fidel gained power in Cuba he ordered a re-mesurment of Cuba using diffrent criteria as to what constitutes actual land, the result was about 42,803 square miles, 110,860 square kilometers, which today is the internationally excepted land area of Cuba in encyclopedias and books.

I like mostly real world nation name RPS as close as possible like the one I have on Cuba which I think has devoleped quite nicely and has growth potential, I am working on a short story combination RP World Factbook entry with my Kindom of Havaii based on the USA state of Hawaii that is coming along quite nicely, in the near future.

I would suggest using a real world nation for statistics no matter what your NS nation name is times * your NS population if you RP with an NS population.

Divide / NS population by real world nation population, times * real world nation statistics by result.

Figure out real world nation statistics by percentages % and apply percentages to NS nation statistics.

Please no more World Factbooks like ages 01 to 25 %, 26 to 65 %, 01 to 14 %, 15 to 64 %.

I post mine using real world nation statistics and closer to 01 to 05, 06 to 10, 55 to 60 % , which I find from real world nations census es '.

I am not an RP er, as I am not that creative, but I do like factbooks and real world nation based RPS as close as possible, also ok to make up history, change it, but based on real world nation names.