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Since there have been a few complaints from people in the World Cup disscussion thread (located here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=293066 about posts about the Women's World Cup. I guess its time for this thread to start.

Though I doubt that it will be as successful as the WCDT, (as of today on page 477 and counting and post #7146.. and counting) I aim to try.

So from now on, if you have a complaint about your QRS rank or wanna bitch about anything.. I don't care. Here you go.

Wentland.. in the KPB ranks Wins and losses matter somewhat more than where you finish. in my rankings I only use a teams' record to determine where it places for 9th thru 20th.

Me, complain? I'm the last one who should complain ;)

I have no complaints I think it was about time for it's own discussion thread seeing how we are entiring our 6th cup(hopefully we'll get a bigger turn out for VI than we did for V)

Doesn't look like it, just over 20 signed up at the moment.

On Wentland and the KPB rankings: they get punished heavily for three group stage draws, which effectively put them about tenth in World Cup 5. I made some slight errors in calculating them, though (counting penalty kick wins as draws) and thus the correct ones should read


1 Jeruselem 39.57
2 Qazox 30.12
3 Haraki 24.90
4 Liverpool Engl. 24.65
5 Yafor 2 23.91
6 Chicanada 23.51
7 Wentland 22.67
8 Rorysville 19.29
9 New Mont. St. 18.92
10 The Lowl. Clans 17.94
11 Starblaydia 17.92
12 Spaam 15.78
13 Milchama 13.35
14 Quakmybush 11.56
15 Swilatia 11.13
16 Ariddia 10.70
17 Marceau State 10.35
18 Toranat 9.36
19 Sativaville 9.11
20 Risa-Aramour 7.25
21 Montegrande 7.06
22 Rordia 6.93
23 McPsychoville 5.72
24 Brownwick 5.60
25 Misrantis 4.00
26 San Haven 3.63
27 The Mushroom K. 3.56
27 Algal states 3.56
27 Funnia Lan 3.56
30 Becquerelia 3.42
31 Virginia Nova 3.32
32 Elves Sec. For. 2.63
33 Kilani 2.40
34 Utd Isl. Emp. 2.00
35 Khenas 1.86
36 Los Mexico 1.69
37 Magnus Valerius 1.35
38 Carvalo 1.23
39 Isl. of Qutar 1.20
40 Jagada 1.08
40 Lexington SC 1.08
40 Sarzonia 1.08
43 Sliponia 0.92
44 Green wombat 0.89
45 ASMitrinVega 0.71
46 Dorian & Sonya 0.62
46 Isl. of Ishtar 0.62
48 GarfieldtheFat 0.46
49 Vilita 0.40
50 Divensi 0.33
50 Utd Transylvan. 0.33
52 Hiiraan 0.31
53 Lovisa 0.00
53 1337phr33kia 0.00


(on how they're calculated: every match counts equally, and teams then get an average of points per potential games played, just like KPB. However, there's no separate qualifying and finals points, nor is there a bonus for qualifying for the tournament proper, due to the shifting nature of the tournament.)

But of course had it been on KPB rankings I probably would have had a better group stage as the differences are exaggerated in KPB. I do prefer the Qazox one for that reason.

Although I seem to be scorinator-cursed...ion WWC5 I finished 2nd in group behind someone (a) ranked below and (b) not RPing, having not beaten non-RPing bottom seeds, which meant I was drawn in the quarters against the reigning champs...on top of finishing below seeding in practically every tournament over the past half-a-dozen...maybe there is an alphabetical order thing in it...

That's why I'm open to any suggestions as to how to make the rankings better.

I'm so glad that i have recieved so many suggestions as to ho to make the Ranking better.:p

I'm so glad that i have recieved so many suggestions as to ho to make the Ranking better.:p
You may have some success with a modified version of the Lemmitania ranking system. Using the total value of bribes submitted to you to determine rank has a number of advantages:

The rankings would be much easier to calculate.
It would be much easier for new teams to improve their ranking.
The system would automatically work against non-RPing teams, as bribing you requires an RP.
You’d get more bribes.

Satisfied? :p

You may have some success with a modified version of the Lemmitania ranking system. Using the total value of bribes submitted to you to determine rank has a number of advantages:

The rankings would be much easier to calculate.
It would be much easier for new teams to improve their ranking.
The system would automatically work against non-RPing teams, as bribing you requires an RP.
You’d get more bribes.

Satisfied? :p

thought of that but what about the poorer countries? they'd have to like trade food or women or something else.. and i can handle only so much goats.

It's not so much the ranking system but the way it works with scorinator - I don't think enough emphasis is placed on current RP, to encourage people to get going. The problem is bigger with the KPB rankings, as once a team is in the top 10 it can effectively keep that ranking without RPing at all for a number of World Cups - it's in a virtuous circle. That puts more emphasis on past RP; ironically RPing in WC 20 has more effect on performance in 31 than RPing in 31. Problem with that is unless teams drop out RPing in 31 will not have as great an effect at WC41, cos the top end is clogged up. I've been RPing constantly for about the past 5 WCs and can't get out of the 30s (except at the bottom end). Which means future ranking is gonna stay in the 30s at best. Same for a lot of teams that put in much better RPs, such as the Reg, Qaz and Spaam (one FTQ means big drop in ranking).

Alternatively there should not be so much difference between the various placings. In 90 minutes anything can happen - a dodgy decision changing a game and so on; it does not definitively mean that one team is better than another. If Brazil play Wales, there's probably a 70% chance that Brazil will win, 20% draw and 10% Wales; if one of those 10% happened to be a World Cup quarter-final should Wales get a massive ranking boost over Brazil?

Plus if a team loses on penalties, they haven't been beaten, so there's an argument that someone going out on pennos ought to get the same ranking points as the team that goes past them. If that means a quarter finalist gets the same points as the winner, so be it. If W beats X on pens in the quarter, then puts 5 past Y and Z in the semi and final, is Z really better than X? Or luckier with the draw?

About your last point I agree. In fact I was considering doing the following, but the Champion still should get a slighly higher bonus.

Semifinalists: 2.75 pts each
Quarterfinalists: 2.45 pts each
Round of 16: 2.15 pts each
Top 32: 2.00 pts each
All others: 1.95 pts each.(provided there are more than 32 teams entered.)

Champion gets .01 pts bonus for each win in qualifing and the Cup proper, unless win comes by Shoot-out then no bonus will be applied.

On average the 5 winners so far would have an average of 2.84 pts (a gain of .09 pts).

Would these changes be acceptable? The Rankings would shrink down a bit closer together, but just looking at the current ones, the top 6 or 7 would stay the same.

Any more ideas???

Who'da thought the womens game would have its own thread.

I actually have been tinkering with my ranking system (ChiOx Ranks, based on the original formula used) and am considering raising vailues to allow for some seperation. Not to the extent of a KBP, since in all fairness the Womens Game is still new and we have parity (except for the Jeruselem Dynasty ruiling the trophy when Chicanada as makers of the tourney have yet to hoist the thing *grumble grumble*).

I'm not sure how much of an increase, but something to show Jeruselem's dominance and growth of newer nations and somesuch.

Just looking at the proposed format - what does the second placed team get?
They should get something.

Maybe

Champion gets .01 pts bonus for each win in qualifing and the Cup proper, unless win comes by Shoot-out then no bonus will be applied.

Losing finalist gets .005 pts bonus for each win in qualifing and the Cup proper, unless win comes by Shoot-out then no bonus will be applied.

Just looking at the proposed format - what does the second placed team get?

*agrees wholeheartedly* Yeah, that's right. We- I mean - The second placed team - shoudl get something. And so should all the previous runners-up. Yeah. Really.

Well i have no problem factoring in a .005 pt bonus or what ever it will be for the 2nd place team.. but that about 3rd place? would I have to give them a .0025 pt bonus? what about a 9th place team that goes 5-1-3 vs. a 16th place that goes 3-3-3?

To be honest.. i just line up the teams by where they finsihed, and for ties (ie quarterfinalists, round of 16ers..etc) i just use record, GD, Goals scored and Old rank in that order to determine just where a team goes. Its not perfect, but so far its worked. But obivously it does tilt the rankings in favor of higher teams. any ideas on how to un-rank-bias the ranks?

Less than 1 day until Host bids/ Signups are closed. Voting will begin at the same time. send your vote by TG to either Chicanda or Qazox. or just post it here!!!

With Chicanada at the moment non-existant.. I'm now in charge of this whole shebang i think. If by monday when the voting is done, Chicanada is not back (which i hope he is) unfortunately, any votes cast for Chicanada will be voided and a re-vote between Anastasiania and Rorysville will happen. Only fair way to do it i guess, unless either Ana or Rorys has an overwhelming # of votes. (so far i have 4.. a new record!!!)

Also if Chicanada is not back by monday, I belive they should be dropped (as will risa-aramour) from the sign-ups.

Personally i hope Chicanada comes back, as he founded this mess, and i'm not gonna clean it up... lol j/k.

Well i have no problem factoring in a .005 pt bonus or what ever it will be for the 2nd place team.. but that about 3rd place? would I have to give them a .0025 pt bonus? what about a 9th place team that goes 5-1-3 vs. a 16th place that goes 3-3-3?

To be honest.. i just line up the teams by where they finsihed, and for ties (ie quarterfinalists, round of 16ers..etc) i just use record, GD, Goals scored and Old rank in that order to determine just where a team goes. Its not perfect, but so far its worked. But obivously it does tilt the rankings in favor of higher teams. any ideas on how to un-rank-bias the ranks?


I actually think the way you've done it is pretty fair thats the way I do the RVCFA(Rorysville College Football Association) Rankings

vote for Anastasiana

Since the vote was tied between Rorysvile and Chicanada, I'm giving the teams who voted for Chicanada one day to either vote for Rorysville or Anastasiania. the results will be then posted tommorrow.

(ooc: Holy Shnit! my 900th post!!)

AND THE RESULTS ARE IN:

The 6th Host of the Women's World Cup by a vote of 6-2...

RORYSVILLE!!!

So for the 2nd time in 8 years, Rorysville will have the Honor of Hosting the Women's World Cup. Good luck to all.

Bumping this so that its still viable... i hope.

Sign up thread is now opne at: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11997052#post11997052

I've just realised - I've won 3 cups but none were in Rorysville so far. One in Michama (on penalties oddly), LE and Quakmybush but never in Rorysville. Qazox's two cups - both hosted by Rorysville.

And not in Chicanada either eh Jeruselem? so it's not just Rorysville thats a bad luck site for you

And not in Chicanada either eh Jeruselem? so it's not just Rorysville thats a bad luck site for you

Actually, the first two WWCs were in Chicanada I think - so that was Chicanada not Michama. Oops - too many names to remember. So I've won everywhere but Rorysville still.

Our worst cup was the 1st one, in Chicanada. And we beat Starblaydia on penalties there - that's never happened since.

Its up to the hosts as to the penalty shoot-out Jeruselem.. so sorry if you hate them, but there's nothing i can do about it.

I'm going to have the NEW rankings up in a bit.. and i tweaked them once again, so cross your fingers.

Fresh off the calculator the NEW rankings!!!

1 Qazox 4.356 pts (2) Def. Champ)
2 Wentland 4.198 pts (6)
3 Jeruselem 4.188 pts (1)
4 Rorysville 4.031 pts (9)
5 Yafor 2 3.999 pts (7)
6 Liverpool England 3.988 pts (6)
7 Haraki 3.954 pts (4)
8 Spaam 3.785 pts (12)
9 Starblaydia 3.745 pts (13)
10 Marceau State 3.710 pts (23)
11 Ariddia 3.660 pts (19)
12 Sativaville 3.643 pts (25)
13 Toranat 3.555 pts (18)
14 Quakmybush 3.545 pts (16)
15 Rordia 3.500 pts (26)
15 Montegrande 3.500 pts (22)
17 Green Wombat 3.100 pts (32t)
18 The Mushroom Kingship 3.080 pts (32t)
19 Misrantis 3.000 pts (32t)
20 Okielahoma 2.060 pts (NR)
21 Anastasiania 2.000 pts (NR)
21 Noremark 2.000 pts (NR)
21 Cafendeu 2.000 pts (NR)



IF these teams sign up for WWC7, they will have the following ranking points: The Lowland Clans (3.750 pts); Milchama (3.630 pts), Algal States 3.230 pts, Kilani, Funnia Lan, Brownwick,and Lovisa 2.000 pts each. If these teams do not signup for WWC 7, they will be dropped from the rankings and have to start over.

The following teams are dropped from the rankings do either ceasing to exist or failure to compete in the last 2 cups: Chicanada, Swilatia, Sarzonia, McPsychoville, Sliponia, San Haven, Risa-Aramour, Magnus Valerius, Carvalo, Los Mexico, The Island of Ishtar; United Island Empires; Vilita; 1337phr33kia; Divensi; and United Transylvania. If any of these teams decide to compete in WWC 7, they will have to start over at 0.000 pts.

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For those interseted in the 1st Q-CUP go here and read about it:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12006449#post12006449

Just one question: the time between the WWC 6 and WWC 7 is of 4 years or less?

I'm asking this question just to update the ages of my players.

Just one question: the time between the WWC 6 and WWC 7 is of 4 years or less?

I'm asking this question just to update the ages of my players.

It can be however long you want it to be. Usually it is 4 years, but for the 1st couple of cups I surmised that it was only 2 years apart or so. We don't care if they age a day or 100 years. :)

Out of interest, I'm doing them annually, on the basis that there's not usually much of a qualifying build-up. Plus I can't be bothered thinking up new names all the time.

Out of interest, I'm doing them annually, on the basis that there's not usually much of a qualifying build-up. Plus I can't be bothered thinking up new names all the time.


Thats usually my way of doing it even withthe mens simply for the factthat I don't want to continously think up new names

I'll put 1 year more on my players, but some will leave to give place to others.

Whooo.. this thread is back in business i guess.

I have a strategy for making the new team - get old roster, remove players older than 35 and add a few players. It's easy. Works for any cup you run continously. Dazza's officially 16 ...

I have a strategy for making the new team - get old roster, remove players older than 35 and add a few players. It's easy. Works for any cup you run continously. Dazza's officially 16 ...

That's how i do it... except usually the cut off is 30 at least for the women, they do wanna have kids while they still can enjoy it so to speak.

Well I may have to dig up the old rosters and re-join the fun

I figured since this and Rugby and Hockey were the only Sports I ever did decently at I'd relaunch from here

Well I may have to dig up the old rosters and re-join the fun

I figured since this and Rugby and Hockey were the only Sports I ever did decently at I'd relaunch from here

Welcome back.. but since you've missed the last 3 Cups (as has Marceau State) unfortunately you'll start back at the bottom.

That's how i do it... except usually the cut off is 30 at least for the women, they do wanna have kids while they still can enjoy it so to speak.

Then there's the women players have kids all the time, like .. you know.