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KRYTENIA-CASARI: WORLD CUP XXIX BID
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K.C. AND THE WORLD CUP BAND

THE HOSTS:
Krytenia have hosted the World Cup before (WC24), and are one of the most experienced hosts in the current WCC canon, having hosted two AOCAF tournaments, one Champion's League, and the last Cherry Cup.

Casari famously became the first nation to successfully host a multi-event tournament with the recent Tynellia Ylompics.

THE STRUCTURE:
10,12, or 15 groups of between 6 and 8 teams (dependant on numbers) with playoffs as required for groups of twelve or fifteen.

THE SCORINATOR:
CASCOR, an Excel scorinator designed by Casari. (Ask Cas the technical questions, I just sit here and look pretty.)

TIEBREAKS:
GD/Goals scored/Head-to-head.

RP BONUS:
Ranking points, one for an RP and up to three extra based on length. "Spaaming" and other length fake-outs will be ignored; OOC whining will be punished with negative RP bonus (use the DT, dammit!)

MODIFIERS:
-2 to +2, as in WC28.

THE STADIA:
Will follow shortly.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS:
Feel free to post below.

I do have a few questions if I may. Will you be using the KPB Rankings or with Sequential Rankings? Also, with the RP Bonus, is that going to be for just one quality post/RP or all that a person has posted for the entire matchday?



Less on the topic with those two, but this one is specifically for you Kry, Do we get to take back control of the Golden Cafetiere? :D :P Or at least play for it again? :D

I do have a few questions if I may. Will you be using the KPB Rankings or with Sequential Rankings? Also, with the RP Bonus, is that going to be for just one quality post/RP or all that a person has posted for the entire matchday?

Less on the topic with those two, but this one is specifically for you Kry, Do we get to take back control of the Golden Cafetiere? :D :P Or at least play for it again? :D

1) KPB Rankings.
2) One point for the first post; bonus boints will take all RPs for the matchday into consideration.
3) Name the time and place. Hang on, who won the last one? I forgot already.

*cough*Tyrellia*cough*

And I would like to compliment Kry for his effort at looking pretty. Expecally after he shot down the Swiss-system qualifying idea.

Anywho!

As mentioned, CASCOR will happily run in Microsoft Excel, use KPBs (not sequential ranks), and use the -2 to +2 style modifier scale.

At it's heart lies a version of the ELO rating's expected score formula, which was beaten with a pipe wrench and had part of it's anatomy replaced with bionics so that it now processes KPB rankings with a smile on it's formula-y face.

The output of this formula (which is between 0 and 1) is used to adjust the chance of a team scoring on any given attack, giving the team with a stronger rank a greater chance of scoring, but leaving the chances of a team winning dependant on the difference between their modified rankings.

That's an overview, at least. Any more specific questions will be fielded with Gold-Glove efficency.

Could we maybe see examples of the scorinator in action (And not just with 0v0 ranks, also with higher ranks) just so we know it works?

RP BONUS: Ranking points, one for an RP and up to three extra based on length.

Alright, I RP on a pretty consistent basis, but my RP's sometimes lack length as I tend to focus on big-picture ideas rather than minor details. As you have it written now, this would appear to hurt my chances. Would it be too much to ask for clarification on the length you are looking for?

the quality of the RP should be more important than quantity, but that would mean more work for you guiys having to read them all wouldnt it :eek: :mp5: ;)

1) I'm rather confident that the length necessary for 3 RP points won't be extraordinarily long.

2) I'd be happy to comply.

I used the test-form of the simulator and some older rankings to run 12 8-team test qualifying sessions.

Because I didn't have recent pre-qualifying rankings, I had to use some slightly older ones, but in those, the following 10 teams were used:

Krytenia- 41.65
Bipedal Apes- 21.11
Duana Hills- 8.43
An Archy- 6.03
Corruptomania- 3.56
Southern Manchester- 2.43
Bofsoria (A simulated Baptism of Fire entry)- 0.75
Noobestonia (A simulated new nation who did not enter the Baptism of fire)- 0.00

The team's style modifiers were randomized.

Group 1
Krytenia -2
Bipedal Apes 0
Duana Hills 1
An archy -1
Corruptomania -2
Southern Manchester 0
Bofsoria -1
Noobestonia -1

Group 2
Krytenia 0
Bipedal Apes -1
Duana Hills 0
An archy 2
Corruptomania -2
Southern Manchester 1
Bofsoria 0
Noobestonia 0

Group 3
Krytenia 1
Bipedal Apes 0
Duana Hills 0
An archy 2
Corruptomania 0
Southern Manchester -1
Bofsoria -1
Noobestonia 0

Group 4
Krytenia -1
Bipedal Apes 0
Duana Hills 1
An archy 0
Corruptomania -2
Southern Manchester -1
Bofsoria 1
Noobestonia 2

Group 5
Krytenia -1
Bipedal Apes -2
Duana Hills -2
An archy 0
Corruptomania 1
Southern Manchester 1
Bofsoria 1
Noobestonia -2

Group 6
Krytenia 2
Bipedal Apes -1
Duana Hills -1
An archy -1
Corruptomania -1
Southern Manchester 2
Bofsoria -1
Noobestonia 0

Group 7
Krytenia 2
Bipedal Apes 2
Duana Hills 2
An archy 0
Corruptomania -2
Southern Manchester 1
Bofsoria 2
Noobestonia 1

Group 8
Krytenia -1
Bipedal Apes 1
Duana Hills 0
An archy -1
Corruptomania 2
Southern Manchester 2
Bofsoria 0
Noobestonia -1

Group 9
Krytenia 1
Bipedal Apes 1
Duana Hills 0
An archy 1
Corruptomania 1
Southern Manchester 2
Bofsoria 2
Noobestonia 1

Group 10
Krytenia 1
Bipedal Apes 0
Duana Hills 2
An archy -1
Corruptomania 1
Southern Manchester -2
Bofsoria -2
Noobestonia -2

Group 11
Krytenia 1
Bipedal Apes 2
Duana Hills -1
An archy 1
Corruptomania -1
Southern Manchester 2
Bofsoria -1
Noobestonia 1

Group 12
Krytenia -2
Bipedal Apes -1
Duana Hills -1
An archy -2
Corruptomania 0
Southern Manchester 1
Bofsoria 0
Noobestonia 1

Group 1
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 31 14 9 4 1 14 19 5
2 Bipedal Apes 20 14 5 5 4 6 21 15
3 An archy 20 14 5 5 4 -2 11 13
4 Duana Hills 19 14 4 7 3 1 12 11
5 Corruptomania 18 14 4 6 4 -3 6 9
6 Southern Manchester 14 14 2 8 4 -2 14 16
7 Bofsoria 14 14 3 5 6 -4 13 17
8 Noobestonia 10 14 2 4 8 -10 7 17

Group 2
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 34 14 11 1 2 26 33 7
2 Bipedal Apes 22 14 5 7 2 7 19 12
3 An archy 19 14 4 7 3 7 28 21
4 Duana Hills 19 14 5 4 5 -4 18 22
5 Bofsoria 16 14 4 4 6 -4 14 18
6 Corruptomania 15 14 4 3 7 -9 21 30
7 Southern Manchester 13 14 3 4 7 -10 18 28
8 Noobestonia 13 14 3 4 7 -13 11 24

Group 3
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 38 14 12 2 0 22 29 7
2 Duana Hills 26 14 7 5 2 5 13 8
3 Bipedal Apes 21 14 6 3 5 4 22 18
4 Corruptomania 20 14 6 2 6 2 21 19
5 Southern Manchester 18 14 5 3 6 -4 12 16
6 Bofsoria 16 14 5 1 8 -5 14 19
7 Noobestonia 10 14 2 4 8 -13 15 28
8 An archy 8 14 2 2 10 -11 13 24

Group 4
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 33 14 10 3 1 20 28 8
2 Bipedal Apes 27 14 8 3 3 7 18 11
3 Duana Hills 21 14 6 3 5 6 22 16
4 Southern Manchester 19 14 5 4 5 1 13 12
5 An archy 18 14 5 3 6 -12 11 23
6 Bofsoria 14 14 4 2 8 -7 16 23
7 Corruptomania 12 14 3 3 8 -4 8 12
8 Noobestonia 11 14 2 5 7 -11 13 24

Group 5
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 32 14 10 2 2 15 21 6
2 Bipedal Apes 25 14 6 7 1 8 15 7
3 An archy 23 14 7 2 5 2 17 15
4 Duana Hills 20 14 6 2 6 1 13 12
5 Corruptomania 18 14 4 6 4 1 18 17
6 Bofsoria 13 14 3 4 7 -5 18 23
7 Noobestonia 13 14 3 4 7 -9 9 18
8 Southern Manchester 10 14 3 1 10 -13 11 24

Group 6
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 31 14 9 4 1 21 33 12
2 Duana Hills 26 14 7 5 2 9 19 10
3 Bipedal Apes 25 14 7 4 3 14 26 12
4 Corruptomania 20 14 5 5 4 -2 21 23
5 Southern Manchester 14 14 4 2 8 -11 17 28
6 Noobestonia 14 14 4 2 8 -13 15 28
7 Bofsoria 12 14 3 3 8 -12 14 26
8 An archy 11 14 2 5 7 -6 14 20

Group 7
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Bipedal Apes 36 14 11 3 0 25 35 10
2 Krytenia 27 14 8 3 3 7 22 15
3 An archy 23 14 7 2 5 5 23 18
4 Duana Hills 21 14 6 3 5 2 22 20
5 Southern Manchester 17 14 4 5 5 -2 16 18
6 Bofsoria 15 14 4 3 7 -10 20 30
7 Corruptomania 11 14 2 5 7 -8 8 16
8 Noobestonia 5 14 1 2 11 -19 10 29

Group 8
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 26 14 7 5 2 12 18 6
2 Bipedal Apes 25 14 7 4 3 5 27 22
3 An archy 23 14 7 2 5 2 17 15
4 Corruptomania 21 14 6 3 5 4 24 20
5 Duana Hills 20 14 6 2 6 3 19 16
6 Bofsoria 15 14 3 6 5 -5 15 20
7 Southern Manchester 13 14 3 4 7 -7 23 30
8 Noobestonia 10 14 2 4 8 -14 10 24

Group 9
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 38 14 12 2 0 40 46 6
2 Bipedal Apes 27 14 8 3 3 16 34 18
3 Duana Hills 18 14 5 3 6 -3 17 20
4 Corruptomania 18 14 5 3 6 -7 18 25
5 Bofsoria 17 14 5 2 7 -9 17 26
6 An archy 14 14 3 5 6 -3 18 21
7 Noobestonia 14 14 4 2 8 -22 15 37
8 Southern Manchester 11 14 3 2 9 -12 17 29

Group 10
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 30 14 9 3 2 25 33 8
2 Bipedal Apes 29 14 9 2 3 15 20 5
3 Duana Hills 24 14 7 3 4 2 21 19
4 An archy 21 14 6 3 5 1 16 15
5 Southern Manchester 21 14 6 3 5 -3 9 12
6 Bofsoria 17 14 4 5 5 -4 9 13
7 Corruptomania 7 14 1 4 9 -20 10 30
8 Noobestonia 6 14 1 3 10 -16 9 25

Group 11
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 34 14 10 4 0 19 26 7
2 Bipedal Apes 26 14 8 2 4 15 31 16
3 Corruptomania 20 14 5 5 4 3 17 14
4 Southern Manchester 20 14 6 2 6 -3 25 28
5 Duana Hills 17 14 4 5 5 -1 19 20
6 An archy 15 14 4 3 7 -12 16 28
7 Noobestonia 13 14 3 4 7 -8 16 24
8 Bofsoria 9 14 2 3 9 -13 11 24

Group 12
Rank Name Pts GP W D L GD GF GA
1 Krytenia 30 14 9 3 2 15 22 7
2 Bipedal Apes 24 14 7 3 4 4 14 10
3 An archy 21 14 6 3 5 3 20 17
4 Duana Hills 19 14 5 4 5 1 17 16
5 Corruptomania 19 14 6 1 7 -3 18 21
6 Bofsoria 16 14 4 4 6 -2 17 19
7 Southern Manchester 16 14 5 1 8 -4 15 19
8 Noobestonia 13 14 4 1 9 -14 13 27

Thank you for your response Casari. I liked the sim especially, it's pretty much the deciding factor in my vote.

Admittedly, I could have picked better nations for simming, just as some of the rank jumps are freakishly drastic.

I think you might have lost Fmj's vote spelling it "Duana Hills"... :P

The RP Length Bonus will be as follows:

1-100 words: No bonus
101-250 words: 1 extra point
251-500 words: 2 extra points
501+ words: 3 extra points

The RP Length Bonus will be as follows:

Now I wonder how many RPs would just scrape 501 words with boatloads of adjectives...

Question for the hosts:

Why the decision to rely solely on length for criteria? It can be argued that there are very well accomplished RPers out there who can say more with less who could be punished for putting more effort into an RP, than someone who rambles on in a longer one. As Mark Twain famously said in a letter to a colleague, "I didn't have the time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one."

I like this bid (not to disregard Schi and Qutar, I don't have anything against theirs either), but I do have to wonder why a RP bonus that disregards the elements of creativity, originality, detail, and effort is the best way to go.

I like this bid (not to disregard Schi and Qutar, I don't have anything against theirs either), but I do have to wonder why a RP bonus that disregards the elements of creativity, originality, detail, and effort is the best way to go.

Because there's no solid base to count creativity, originality, detail, and effort. Kry and I could and most likely would count each differently. Plus, there's always the chance of bias. Not to say we'd go "OMFG I HATE THIS PERSON 0 RP POINTS," but with 2 people doing it, particularly in the group stage when we'd each be scorinating different sections, a team would have an advantage if they had the more generous host.

Now I wonder how many RPs would just scrape 501 words with boatloads of adjectives...

Reading my mind Star :P

I like the fact that hosts are incorporating a length-RP bonus element into their bid. If the RP bonus were to rely on "creativity, originality, detail, and effort", not only would the hosts have to endlessly read RP's, but they'd have to judge which ones were better than others. This would create inconsistancies "because there's no solid base to count creativity, originality, detail, and effort" as Casari put it so well.

Consider this a thumbs up to the hosts, you've got my vote. :)

I'm a member of the quality o'er quantity school, myself, and that's certainly what I've been aiming for this Cup. D&S's award for best RP post went to a maybe-100-word effort by AR on Hell freezing over upon Hypocria's qualification. And there's been plenty of long RPs not worth the time spent typing them out.

I'm seriously leery about this idea now.

I like this bid (not to disregard Schi and Qutar, I don't have anything against theirs either), but I do have to wonder why a RP bonus that disregards the elements of creativity, originality, detail, and effort is the best way to go.

Because there's no solid base to count creativity, originality, detail, and effort. Kry and I could and most likely would count each differently. Plus, there's always the chance of bias. Not to say we'd go "OMFG I HATE THIS PERSON 0 RP POINTS," but with 2 people doing it, particularly in the group stage when we'd each be scorinating different sections, a team would have an advantage if they had the more generous host.

Any chance there'll be a RP Negative bonus for any teams that don't post at all.....I would name names but I'm not that kind of person.

I'm a member of the quality o'er quantity school, myself, and that's certainly what I've been aiming for this Cup. D&S's award for best RP post went to a maybe-100-word effort by AR on Hell freezing over upon Hypocria's qualification. And there's been plenty of long RPs not worth the time spent typing them out.

I'm seriously leery about this idea now.

There will need to be a serious attempt to define "quality" Kry's or Cas' idea of quality may be different from that of Bedi, Star or I. Sure I'm capable of 3000 character RPs, it's just I don't have the time or attention span to go that long without getting sidetracked.

And yea, this bid was judged, arbited, if you will, by the supreme consulate to be a quite stupendous example of what a true bid - that is to say, a bid extolling the values of truth from every pore, insofar as bids have pores, as they are, after all, no more than a concept, a construct in the mind of humanity.

Some choose to explain their excitement of the bid in words far-reaching in terms of eloquence - one adolescent man, who had quite transparently been studious and consulted a thesaurus of commendable length, spake thus: 'Such a bid really is a mile ahead of any other, to coin an idiom, as it demonstrates all of the qualities required for a bid to pass through the mundane and join the ranks and files of the very Gods themselves.'

But with the malaise of the globe, such news is tempered with the bad, as grey is comprised of dark and light, as the city-state of Ellis Island found itself torn asunder. A very half of the city chose to place their weight firmly behind the attempt of 'KC and the World Cup Band' - a reference, we are informed, to a band who referred to themselves as 'KC and the Sunshine Ban'd - while the other half have taken to the streets to support the bid of Schiavonia and the Islands of Qutar.

Most lamentably, violence and other such disturbing entities have sprung up almost within hours. The current total of the fallen is made of a baker's dozen - that is to say, thirteen - who have perished, and a further two-score and twelve who were injured. Our thoughts, such as they are, are filled with sadness, and they go out to the next of kin of the deceased.

But now to turn to a lighter note - the word of the day is 'galaxy'. Let us repeat that:
Galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy galaxy.



[OOC: There. Do I get three points for that? :) ]

From How Does RP Bonus Work? (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/World_Cup_FAQs#How_Does_RP_Bonus_Work.3F):

"Hosts are generally not inclined to tell you the details of their RP Bonus machinery, as some people would then write RPs purely to win marks, rather than to enjoy the game. RP Bonus can be based on Quality, Quantity, Effort, Spelling, Humour, Seriousness, Realism, Coloured text, Lack of Coloured text, or any number of dozens of categories, its up to whoever's creating the scores. We'd like you to post so everyone can enjoy the World Cup Experience a little more by hearing about players, teams, matches and incidents that the hosts can't provide with a simple scoreline. That is the Fun of RPing and reading RPs, and RP bonus encourages us all to have fun. There is no mandatory scheme to make everyone RP, so don't feel like you 'have' to."

If '501+ words = coolness' are what our bidders want to do then on their own heads be it.

Personally I'd want titles, group tables, lists of goalscorers and matchday results/schedules discounted from the total word count, but I'm not bidding.

Ranking points, one for an RP and up to three extra based on length. "Spaaming" and other length fake-outs will be ignored; OOC whining will be punished with negative RP bonus (use the DT, dammit!)

No, McPsychoville, doing what you just did would NOT get extra points because spamming the word "galaxy" would constitute a "length fake-out."

Star, I'm including titles, but not goalscorers lists, fixture lists, and other such lists of stats. (Ironically, this means a significant portion of my RP counts for nought.)

I, for one, would not be opposed at all to a mythical 5th "originality" point if it's not just the same old newspaper articles. Being one of the worst news article people myself, I am well aware that it sucks.

I, for one, would not be opposed at all to a mythical 5th "originality" point if it's not just the same old newspaper articles. Being one of the worst news article people myself, I am well aware that it sucks.

Now hold on there a minute... I base my entire RP's around a neswcast. Are you really going to integrate this into your RP bonus or is this just a thought?

Now hold on there a minute... I base my entire RP's around a neswcast. Are you really going to integrate this into your RP bonus or is this just a thought?
Just a thought at this stage.