NationStates Jolt Archive

Schiavonia & The Islands of Qutar
bid to host
WORLD CUP 29

Now I don't want to worry anyone here, but you may recognise most of this from somewhere. Yes, it is very much the same as Schiavonia and Tadjikistan's bid to host World Cup 28. There are some slight differences (well, we prefer to call them improvements), though.

NUMBERS/FORMAT
Our bid does not include a specific number of participants, because the scorinator can easily be altered to amend for numbers. As long as it's reasonably simple to work with. Else we'll just hold up until another couple join in. Which doesn't usually take long.

One important this to note will be that while the qualifying draw will, as ever, be seeded, teams will be put into the groups in different, randomised orders. So that when 1v2 takes place, it could be between any of the teams in the group, and thus not all the games involving the top teams will take place on the same day.

SCORINATION
Our scorinator will be the Schiavone International Scorinator. Schiavonia's version will be the original OpenOffice spreadsheet version, while Qutar will be using a PHP version he has created using the same formula. They are the same, just in a different format.

What makes the scorinator special is the formula used. It uses a more ratio-based formula, so that, for example a team with 20 KPB ranking points are twice as good as team with 10, and they, in turn, are twice as good as a team with 5.

Which is slightly different for the team with the higher rank than it is the lower rank...

A goal is scored if...

lower KPB total
R > 0.9 +/- ( 0.08 - ( _________________) * 0.08 )

higher KPB total

where R = Random number, 0 < R < 1
+ is used for the team with less ranking points, - is used for more.

Basically, the formula takes how good teams are proportionally to each other, so that teams with 30 and 60 ranking points have roughly the same chances of beating each other as teams with 3 and 6 ranking points. However, it isn't exactly like this, as teams with no ranking points at all wouldn't fit into the equation, so they are given 0.001 of a ranking point for the sake of the equation.

To account for any home advantages that may occur, the number produced from the formula that R must be greater than is reduced by a third of 1 - this number. So, say that a team scores if R > 0.88, but the team are at home. This then becomes R > 0.84, as a third of 1 - 0.88 = 0.04, and 0.88 - 0.04 = 0.84

Each team has 12 attacks (chances to score a goal using the formula).


RP BONUS
Our RP bonus will be a quantity bonus. But it won't be a plain quantity bonus. It will have limits (we're not telling you what they are), which you should easily reach the maximum for if you RP regularly, or even have to miss a couple of days and make up later. The only quality limit will be that no bonus will be given for anything that shows a complete lack of imagination, such as just writing out the table situation into sentences. We know the tables already, for chrissakes!

The bonus will be given in rankings points, with up to three to be gained. This means that it is worth more to those who need the boost more (those with less rankings points), while those who don't need it as much still feel the effects, just not as much.


STYLE MODIFIERS
The SIS does allow for style modifiers if you so desire, and this time they will be from +3 to -3.


Information about the locations in Schiavonia and Qutar to be used will be featured later. If anybody has any questions about the bid, please feel free to ask, either here or by telegram.

Copies if the scorinator are also available. I think I remember Lisburn Mateys requesting a copy a while back before I lost first the instructions, then the spreadsheet. As I've got them both back now, would you still want a copy sending?

Aren't you hosting the CoH with the same scorinator and yet have +/- 5? Why isn't this be applied to the World Cup?

I've put a setting in the scorinator allowing the maximum/minimum numbers to be used as playing styles to be altered. As to why three instead of five... just to be different, I suppose. +3 here has the same effect as +5 does at the Cup of Harmony, it's just there we have more options. same with -3 and -5.

If anyone would rather +5 were used, we are open to have abuse shouted at us, and enough people do, then that's one aspect we can change.

After a little bit (or maybe more than that) of work by our potential co-hosts Qutar, you too can now try out the SIS formula for yourself! (http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/form2half.php) If you'll excuse the adverts, they do die down after a bit...

I notice that your scorinator seems to very heavily favour the better side over randomness. I tested it about twenty times, first with an 11 team versus an 8 team and then with an 11 versus a 20. The first ten times the 8 won once and the 11 won the rest of the time. The second ten times, the 11 won twice and the 20 won the rest of the time. And this was only a difference of first 3, then 9 KPB points!

Seems very heavily balanced towards rankings, which could make the cup very difficult for smaller teams and very easy for bigger ones.

I notice that your scorinator seems to very heavily favour the better side over randomness. I tested it about twenty times, first with an 11 team versus an 8 team and then with an 11 versus a 20. The first ten times the 8 won once and the 11 won the rest of the time. The second ten times, the 11 won twice and the 20 won the rest of the time. And this was only a difference of first 3, then 9 KPB points!

Seems very heavily balanced towards rankings, which could make the cup very difficult for smaller teams and very easy for bigger ones.

Well that's kind of how it should be (in my opinion), although that doesn't seem fully representative of the tests we've done. For starters, 8v11 has a better chance than 11v20. And that doesn't count for RP bonus, which is heavily biased in the direction of the lower ranked teams.

At the same time, though, it does seem to be not as random as it could, and possibly should be. If you don't think it is random enough, don't vote for us. We'd like to think that it is fair for all involved, especially the mid-ranked teams who usually get screwed over by the scorinator. And since when did a scorinator not favour the bigger teams? That's just how it works!

EDIT: The level of randomness on the OpenOffice version of the scorinator can now be altered of the user. However, for this bid, it will be staying as it is.

King Francesco Stadium, Kingsbury
Capacity - 63,000
http://www.tdv.at/photos/prater_sta/astadion2k.jpg

The King Francesco Stadium is the centre of the Schiavone sports scene. What with it being the national stadium and what have you. The KFS will host the Opening Ceremony, but not the final, as this will be held in Qutar, as they have a bigger stadium. Still, it will be a proud moment if the orange and scarlet army get to start the World Cup party!
Would host: Opening ceremony, three group games, second round, semi-final, 3rd/4th place game.


The Throne, Kingsbury
Capacity - 58,000
http://www.soccerstadiums.homestead.com/files/portugual___porto_2.jpg

The Throne is the home of Kingsbury's top club side, Kingsbury Monarchs. It is also the biggest club stadium in Schiavonia. A stadium fit for a king. That is, if he didn't already have a better and bigger one...
Would host: Three group games, quarter-final.


Sedgefield Park, Sedgefield
Capacity - 56,990
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/SedgefieldPark.jpg

Sedgefield Park is the biggest stadium in Schiavonia's second city, Sedgefield, and is also the biggest outside Kingsbury. Hard to believe, but this place sterted off as a tiny little field amongst a bunch of houses. But the locals love the game and their team so much that they gave up their homes in return for appartments overlooking the pitch at the northern end of the ground.
Would host: Three group games, quarter-final.


Shamrock Park, Threlo
Capacity - 47,565
http://www.geocities.com/kilruanemacdonaghs/CROKEPARK_MODEL.jpg

Threlo is the centre of Schiavonia's not-that-big celtic community. Thus Shamrock Park is the centre of their community, what it being big enough to seat a vast proportion of them. But hey always come for the sport, and this is one of the best loved stadia in teh Forty-Six Islands.
Would host: Three group games, second round.


The Headland, Kingsbury Rock, Kingsbury
Capacity - 42,000
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cypris/images/Balades_photos/monaco/Monaco_4.jpg

While it is only Kingsbury's third biggest stadium, and that Kingsbury Rocks who play there play in the shadows of their local rivals, The Headland is one of the most spectacular locations for a stadium in the world. Kingsbury in one direction, Kingsbury Bay another, the blue oceans of FIFA in another, and finally the beautiful rolling countryside of Schiavonia the other. A beautiful location for a beautiful ground.
Would host: Three group games, second round.


Il Parabol, Unimo
Capacity - 41,322
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/IlParabol.jpg

The stadium is thus named because it originally only consisted of one of the curved end sections. However, this left players exposed to the wind, so they put a matching parabol at the other end. Only once they figured that stands down the sides, to make a complete ring, would completely keep the wind out, did this stadium finally become complete.
Would host: Two group games, second round.


Stonyshore, Welkay
Capacity - 37,780
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/DruidanStadia/SorrellimeFountain.jpg

Stonyshore is built upon the banks of the lake to the south of the town of Welkay. If it wasn't for the Headland, this would be the best-located stadium in the country. Still, the nearby hills would make a beautiful backdrop for any international sporting event.
Would host: Three group games.


Alfons Park, Heartellpool
Capacity - 32,331
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/Alfons.jpg

For some bizzare reason, this stadium is named after the King of Spruitland. Why the natives of Heartellpool gave their stadium this name, we don't quite know. They must just be really odd.
Would host: Two group games.


Herculean Stadium, Cartfield
Capacity - 29,500
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/NEWI/DruidanStadia/ayresome.png

In all honesty, nobody in their right mind would call this place Herculean. But then, you have to scare the visitors somehow. If the name doesn't get you (and let's be honest, it probably wouldn't), the toilets will. Or maybe the quality gourmet menu of sludge and cardboard. The perfect pre-match meal!
Would host: Two group games

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Meanwhile, the SFF has announced that if their bid were to be successful, it will be holding a charity "Legends Penalty Shoot-Out" competition at the King Francesco Stadium before the cup gets under way, with money raised going to the charity of the winners choice. Participating nations would get the chance to nominate their legend in the roster thread.

The only quality limit will be that no bonus will be given for anything that shows a complete lack of imagination, such as just writing out the table situation into sentences. We know the tables already, for chrissakes!

As you may or may not know, pretty much everyone of my RP's contain what I consider to be "group analysis". This section may be viewed as "just writing out the table situation into sentences", so I'm wondering if I'm gonna get hit with this. If you've ever read one of my RP's, this should be easier to answer. If you haven't, don't bother struggling to find what I'm talking about, just give me a straight "you can't do this 'group analysis' you speak of".

Stadium of Light, Cëre
Capacity - 80,000
Built 2012
http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/Olimpiyat_Stadi.jpg

The Stadium of Light is the pride of The Islands of Qutar, and rightly so with iits newly upgraded capacity over 80,000 football hungry fans can see thier teams try to win footballing glory. In the domestic season it is the stadium for Cëre United, and plays host to the final of the Qutari Cup.
Would Host: Three Group Games, Second Round, Final

Liberty Stadium, Bembridge
Capacity - 76,200
Built 2009
http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/football_stadium_thessaloniki_greece2.jpg

Liberty Stadium was the largest in Qutar until recently, and has built up a repuation of being one of the most atmospheric as fans of Bembridge FC will tell you. While fans are eagerly waiting to get into the stadium or nervously awaiting the second half, they can enjoy good quality grub from the catering avalible in the stadium, rated the best in Qutar.
Would Host: Three Group Games, Second Round, Semi Final

Dove Memorial Stadium, Arun
Capacity - 72,400
Being Constructed
http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/3969567532.jpg

The home of the past masters Arun City who stormed past all opponents back in the 70's, still a great stadium even though it nearly never draws in a capacity crowd for Arun City, but they are fickle fans and when there is a full house the atmosphere will be electric. Named in honor of Paul Dove our national manager and ex-Arun City manager in its hey-day.
Would Host: Three Group Games, Second Round, Quarter Final

Stadium of Dreams, Sofia
Capacity - 70,120
Built 2002
http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/Estadio_Nacional_de_Chile.jpg

An aptly named stadium as it has seen many a dream realised, althought not too recently for the fans of Sofia, though there fans are loyal and even though they have slipped to becoming a mid-table First Division side there is nearly always a capacity crowd. Close to facilities nearby, you won't find a lack of hotels, restaurants or pubs in Qutar's third largest city.
Would Host: Three Group Games, Second Round, Quarter Final

Albatross Stadium, Newport
Capacity - 62,400
Built 2008
http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/sydney_aerial_olympic_stadium_l.jpg

Known affectionatly by fans as the Sweet Wrapper Stadium, the Albatross Stadium is home to Newport FC, and has increased its capacity recently in an unorthodox fashion leading to the look of the stadium. Known for its excellent grub, excellent atmosphere, and of course its looks.
Would Host: Three Group Games

Kennedy Stadium, Fareham
Capacity - 42,200
Built 2010
http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/111.jpg

Named after the Fareham's most famous striker Ben Kennedy, who many critics are puzzled as to why he wasn't capped for often. But it left him more time to dazzle the Fareham fans in the old stadium, this new stadium was built after being in the Premier League the old stadium was rather out of place. Easy access by road, rail and parachute.
Would Host: Three Group Games

Ashgrove Park Stadium, Bristol
Capacity - 41,700
Built 2012
http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/madejski1.jpg

One of the most unimaginative stadium names in Qutar, but Ashgrove Park have done the imagining inside the stadium, climbling from Non-League status all the way the Premier League in consecutive seasons. The little stadium/field just wasn't going to do anymore, so the new stadium has been built just in time for this World Cup, and in a place known for its rain you'll be glad to know that its all roofed, no need to bring your raincoats. Well in the Stadium anyway...
Would Host: Three Group Games

Millenium Stadium, Highfield
Capacity - 38,700
Built 2000
http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/050117_michigan-stadium.jpg

Built to see in the new Millenium, home to Highfield Althletic and thankfully unlike Bristol its a very sunny place, so you can bask in the sun while you watch the game unfold beneath you. They were planning to write Millenium round the stadium but they ran out of paint.
Would Host: Three Group Games

The only quality limit will be that no bonus will be given for anything that shows a complete lack of imagination, such as just writing out the table situation into sentences. We know the tables already, for chrissakes!
As you may or may not know, pretty much everyone of my RP's contain what I consider to be "group analysis". This section may be viewed as "just writing out the table situation into sentences", so I'm wondering if I'm gonna get hit with this. If you've ever read one of my RP's, this should be easier to answer. If you haven't, don't bother struggling to find what I'm talking about, just give me a straight "you can't do this 'group analysis' you speak of".

What I think is meant by that, is that group analysis is fine, but spelling out the table e.g

Team A has 20 points and has scored 15 goals and has conceeded 2
Team B has 18 points and has scored 10 goals and has conceeded 7
Team C has 7 points and has scored 5 goals and has conceeded 8
Team D has 0 points and has scored 0 goals and has conceeded 13
etc

and for instance we don't want to know after the first game what all the outcomes could be, i mean near the nailbiting end thats fine, but not before hand.

Hope that answers it!

What I think is meant by that, is that group analysis is fine, but spelling out the table e.g

Team A has 20 points and has scored 15 goals and has conceeded 2
Team B has 18 points and has scored 10 goals and has conceeded 7
Team C has 7 points and has scored 5 goals and has conceeded 8
Team D has 0 points and has scored 0 goals and has conceeded 13
etc

and for instance we don't want to know after the first game what all the outcomes could be, i mean near the nailbiting end thats fine, but not before hand.

Hope that answers it!

I'd at to that that it helps to make it personal to your team (or, in some cases, the teams you are close to). Just saying the positions is no good, but saying them in relation to your team is better. Also, it helps if you throw in a few funny/insulting comments about those in the groups, hence the imagination part.

Training Grounds

Each team will be allocated a training ground, near to where they base themselves in The Islands of Qutar. Each training ground is as good as each other, and has in house facilities such as gyms etc. Below are a couple of the grounds;

http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/sas_soccer_stadium.jpg
Located in Fareham

http://members.lycos.co.uk/rockface2004/score/pics/stadium2.jpg
Located in Bembridge